r/PS4 • u/cristi1990an cristi1990anRO • Sep 01 '18

[Video] [Video] BioWare Makes Fun of Marvel's Spider-Man's "PuddleGate" Controversy

https://youtu.be/yQph-_imtDY
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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18 edited Nov 06 '20

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u/xStaabOnMyKnobx xStaabOnMyKnobx Sep 02 '18

Wouldn't you say it's more like studios over promise on their trailers with e3? They want movie quality renders of cutscenes and sometimes they hide what's the game and what is cutscene

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u/OscarRoro Sep 02 '18

Okay, so the solution will be to not show any gameplay ever again until the game is released, right? They cannot "lieee" to us that way, pretty smart eh.

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u/xStaabOnMyKnobx xStaabOnMyKnobx Sep 02 '18

What a stupid thing to say. You try and appear helpful but your comment is only spiteful. How about show the product you intend to sell and not some fancied up production. Insomniac are not the only culprits.

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u/OscarRoro Sep 02 '18

Sorry if I was being spiteful but it takes time to control the tone of a sentence when you're learning a new language, I'm really sorry.

How about show the product you intend to sell and not some fancied up production.

Well the thing is, the product's not finished. That's why you have all those "PRE-ALPHA BUILD", " DEVELOPMENT IN PROGRESS ", " WHAT YOU SEE MAY CHANGE UPON RELEASE" messages on all this kind of videos no matter the game. And it's because of the reaction of some even after reading those messages that CD Project decide to reminded everyone that things may and will change during their new trailer.

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u/Eddyoshi Eddyoshi4 Sep 02 '18

halo 2

Its ironic you mention halo 2 and then say its not false advertising when Halo 2 is a prime example OF fake advertising, since when they first showed off the trailer, there was a bit where someone full on said "This is going to be real gameplay, not any of that pre-render smoke and mirrors stuff"...when in actuality that is EXACTLY what it was, the game wasnt even playable and they were marketing it like that was the final game.

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u/Guyote_ Guyote__ Sep 02 '18

in no way false advertising

How is it not?

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u/Maximelene Sep 02 '18

Because it's a work product that is never advertised as being exactly what you will buy at release.

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u/Guyote_ Guyote__ Sep 02 '18

But they’re taking pre-orders while showing that off.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18

Wait...doesn't pre alpha footage ways say something in the effects of "work of progress might not represent final product." You should NEVER take any pre alpha footage to heart. Every game company has done this over the years. Every one. All those games at E3 will probably not look like that when they are released unless they are pushed back and come out next generation. But honestly...should you care as long as it's a great game?

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u/Maximelene Sep 02 '18 edited Sep 02 '18

Which doesn't change anything to the fact that the images they're showing are not definitive. Which is also why you shouldn't preorder.

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u/maniek1188 Sep 02 '18

Of course it is false advertising. I bet that if this game was published by EA or Ubisoft there would be universal uproar, but since its "good guys" Insomniac people prefer to get angry with others pointing that out. Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.

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u/Maximelene Sep 02 '18

Hypocrisy is seeing work in progress footage, assume that's how the game will look like at release (without anything supporting it), then getting angry with them because of your own baseless assumptions.

And yes, it works the same for every publisher. The outrage about Watch Dogs downgrade was idiotic. People need to start understanding the concept of "work in progress", and how development works. Or, at least, don't complain about things they don't understand.

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u/maniek1188 Sep 02 '18

No - that's not how it works. You do understand what happened with Alien Colonial marines? They got sued for their visual downgrade. Lets not make light of blatant false advertising. There is very simple fix for this - don't allow preorders till game goes gold. Then there would be no more overpromising materials trying to gather as much preorders while showcasing effects impossible to obtain in final product. People do not have to be experts on game development to buy games - thats how it works in every fucking industry when you buy product. So stop defending blatant anti-consumer practices and start to stand your ground. Fucking fanboys. Jesus.

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u/Maximelene Sep 02 '18

Yes, that's how it works. You should read about that lawsuit. It revolves around the fact that the images shown were advertised as "actual gameplay", which is exactly what I'm talking about, and is something that Insomniac didn't do. You're actually supporting my point here.

And you don't HAVE to know anything about development to understand that images shown months before release are not final. That's called common sense. The only "anti consumer practice" here is the one you force on yourself.

By the way, you're the only agressive person here. Stop calling people "fanboys" simply because they disagree with you, and try to be reasonable.

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u/jordanlund GlobalPhreak Sep 02 '18

If you can find the collectors edition of Halo 2, watch the behind the scenes DVD that came with it. That E3 demo was a travesty and they knew it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18

My point is people are complaining that downgrades are a new thing used by companies for sales purposes when it simply isn’t the case, things change and visions have to be scaled back to fit on a console, the fact people are mad at puddles makes me question what goes through their minds

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u/jordanlund GlobalPhreak Sep 02 '18

Oh, it's absolutely not new. Penny Arcade defined it in 2005 as a "Bullshot". Combination of bullshit and screenshot.

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/09/12/potent-new-lingo

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u/codyad7 Sep 02 '18

Well you got one thing right, it may be standard but it’s still false advertising. If the system it’s being sold on can’t look that good, don’t advertise it as such. It may not be the biggest deal but it is purposefully misleading.

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u/Maximelene Sep 02 '18

But they never "advertised it as such". They never said that's how the game would look like on release date. When you show "work in progress", that's by definition not final.

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u/nikktheconqueerer Sep 02 '18

Even back when halo 2 was shown it was massively downgraded

That's actually because the game wasn't ready and they were scrambling to put together an e3 trailer. Gaming PCs and home consoles back then were pretty equal in performance.

Digital Foundry did a really interesting video on the Halo 2 e3 trailer actually

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18

Halo 2 is a bad example, that got cucked hard from the demo they first showed and it wasnt down to intentionally screwing people.

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u/TheBrokenNinja The2Broken2Ninja Sep 02 '18

How is it in no way falsee advertising when they're literally advertising the game as something it's not. People just give Marvel shit a pass cause there's so many fan boys.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18

90%? I can’t remember a game being downgraded this year aside spiderman