r/PS4 • u/cristi1990an cristi1990anRO • Sep 01 '18

[Video] [Video] BioWare Makes Fun of Marvel's Spider-Man's "PuddleGate" Controversy

https://youtu.be/yQph-_imtDY
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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '18 edited Sep 02 '18

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u/And_You_Like_It_Too Sep 03 '18

Appreciate your take as an insider of game development, thanks for taking the time to write it.

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u/Soulss Sep 03 '18

You're welcome :)

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u/TacCom TacKom Sep 02 '18

Former AAA 3D Environment Artist and I see a downgrade. Reduced specularity, removed real-time reflection's, lower res shadowmapping, fewer light sources. So what are we going to do now?

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u/sighclone Sep 03 '18 edited Sep 03 '18

John Linneman from Digital Foundry on this:

This is an example of dumb. I can’t tell if you’re just joking around.

Ask yourself - where is the source for the specular highlights in the first shot? He’s in shadow. The position of the sun + other objects capable of obscuring the model will have an impact on this when done properly. The second shot appears more “correct”.

Do people think that suit detail is suddenly missing or that there aren’t tons of reflective puddles in the game? That’s laughable, if so.

I see people looking at shots and misinterpreting what they’re seeing. “Oh, his suit is shinier in the old shot so it must be better” without considering the properties of light. It’s foolish and shows a lack of understanding.

I can only comment on the media presented here, though. Can’t say anything more about the actual game - just these examples but I will say that there are some eye rolling statements floating around out there

He also pointed to this image.

His verdict on the newer images?

It's improved.

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u/Sir__Walken Sep 03 '18

I don't know who downvoted you when you provide a verified opinion from a reputable source.

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u/mrkajja Sep 02 '18

You not seeing a downgrade and there being no downgrade are two completely different things.

All said while claiming you're a person who should know better.

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u/Soulss Sep 02 '18

Did you even read the post? Or did you not make it past the first paragraph...

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u/mrkajja Sep 02 '18

something something not downgraded something something lighting

You'd have to be blind to put the differences down to lighting exclusively. It is quite clearly downgraded just as expected.

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u/Soulss Sep 02 '18

You quite clearly have no idea what you are talking about. But again, that's fine. I don't expect everyone to know about game development, and the vocal minority are always the loudest.

As I said, from a developers perspective I see nothing wrong other than lighting changes. It's just my opinion as someone who does this every day. I can see why people would think otherwise, but from an artistic eye I'm explaining the probable reasons behind the differences in the shots. How you interpret that is up to you. But so far it seems like you are not open to reason and understanding when provided with probable causes. There are plenty of people who have played the game who are saying the game looks gorgeous and articles already written talking about how stupid this 'controversy' is. But if you are still mad then just wait for the reviews then buy the game or don't buy the game. Good day sir.

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u/mrkajja Sep 02 '18

something something you're wrong something something I'm a developer something something but this is just an opinion man

Lol go away.

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u/Epsilon_06 Sep 02 '18

What are you? 5

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u/MarioPogbatelli Sep 02 '18

Perfect example of the abovementioned patheticness. You're an idiot. You iphone generation kids have ruined gaming.

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u/Epsilon_06 Sep 02 '18

Are you talking to me? I’m fully agreeing with OP and was replying to mrkajja

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u/mrkajja Sep 02 '18

Is 5 the number of brain cells required to come up with that retort?

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u/Karuso-kun Sep 02 '18

Lol? You literally just insulted the same way the person who insulted another person insulted.

You were so "outraged" about that retort yet you made a similar one, or do you think it's any different just because you talked about brain cells?

How ironic.

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u/MarioPogbatelli Sep 02 '18

lmao

Imagine causing this many assblasted idiots pretending there was no visual downgrade to reee so hard. You simps are the reason this industry has gone to shit. Not only refusing to accept that there was a downgrade, but vehemently pretending there wasn't

You kids are pathetic.

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u/jordanlund GlobalPhreak Sep 02 '18

It's not a change in lighting when the ground goes from 75% wet to maybe 25% wet.

Did you see this shot?

http://images.pushsquare.com/6fbc5a3e8ccd4/spider-man-ps4-playstation-4-puddle-comparison.900x.jpg

The change in look on the Spider-Man SUIT... that's lighting. The change in size and geometry of the wet ground is not.

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u/Soulss Sep 02 '18

So they changed the amount of water on the floor. That's not a downgrade that's literally just vertex painting less water on to the area. Personally I prefer the second shot. It's less distracting and more focussed on the game play elements. Yes there's less shiny reflective water, do I think it looks worse? No, just different. The water is now more around the edge of the floor so it looks less like the rain just stopped to maybe the rain stopped a few hours ago and it has evaporated. The fact that people are that upset about this is just silly to me. That logic would mean that to make people happy Devs should just make everything wet and reflective which would look ridiculous. Either way I stand by my initial point.

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u/jordanlund GlobalPhreak Sep 02 '18

Less water also eliminates the reflections. But the bigger part of it is that they lied in saying it was a lighting change.