“Let’s be honest — Men Envy Women’s Reproductive Power, and that’s why Misogyny exists”

[u/notmymondaylife]

Let’s be real for a second.

Men have controlled governments, religions, economies — nearly every major institution in history. But the one thing they can’t do is create life. They can’t give birth. They can’t carry children. And I truly believe that deep down, this creates a kind of womb envy that fuels misogyny.

Organized religion called women “unclean” for menstruating, for giving birth — for doing something men could never do. And instead of honoring it, they demonized it. They wrote myths where women were the ones who brought sin into the world (Eve), and turned female desire or power into something dangerous.

And let’s not forget: women were blamed not just for “tempting” men, but for being the very cause of sin. Why? Because men couldn’t control their own urges, and rather than take responsibility, they blamed women’s bodies.

To me, misogyny isn’t just about power — it’s about envy, fear, and insecurity. And I think it’s time we admitted that womb envy isn’t just a theory — it’s real, and it’s everywhere.

Curious to hear what others think. Am I alone in this?

[u/tawny-she-wolf]

I agree, a couple more thoughts:

• modern religion is a sham; they replaced the mother goddess (or equivalent) with a male god that somehow created life - talk about womb envy.
• if men could actually give birth, bodily autonomy would never even be debated and every Starbucks would probably double as an abortion clinic
• the patriarchy is completely illogical: some societies were matrilineal because... well duh, you're sure who the mother is, but nope men and their names are too important so let's make men/fathers the important one here - this was fine for centuries. Now that DNA tests exist, let's whine and cry that "you're never sure and absolutely need a test" as if men aren't the ones who insisted on their names and their inheritance and their male heirs being the standard. You don't need a test, let the baby have the mother's last name since she did all the bloody work and f*ck off.

[u/navespb → u/tawny-she-wolf]

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[u/sofiacarolina]

Highly recommend reading Who Cooked The Last Supper? It’s basically a history of patriarchy and really lends credence to this theory

[u/deltadawn6 → u/sofiacarolina]

Yup was coming here to say this

[u/babysfirstreddit_yx]

Been on this wave for yearsssss! It's extremely obvious to me. Religion has always been the biggest tell for me - the need to make the creator god "male" is a shameless scramble to appropriate the creative power natural to women. I could never believe that women came from man's rib when reality is right in front of us - HE came from her vagina, end of story.

[u/Moist_Chemist_5689]

YES🫡

[u/tawny-she-wolf]

I had an additional thought 🤣

Maybe it's not womb envy or not just womb envy, but fear.

If 100% of the male population were wiped out for whatever reason, women could probably go on using preserved sperm. Yes quality of life would take a hit, yes the number of humans would still be reduced by half, but humanity would endure.

If 100% of the female population were wiped out - the surviving men are fucked. You can't have babies without a human woman and her uterus. And can you imagine the physical and sexual rage/violence that would occur ?

I feel like anyone who thinks about this for two minutes would realize the above. The fact that women now tend to out earn men and be more educated - and therefore no longer need men is freaking them out even more. What if women just decide they don't want to put up with them and pass on their shitty genes anymore ? (It's starting with childfree, marriagefree and 4B movements) - it terrifies them.

Also hilarious: the patriarchy has every body convinced that "male" is the default or superior but science is proving:

• female is actually the default
• the Y chromosome is basically a malfunctioning/deformed X chromosome

Edit: AND all that "well men invented this", not even going into the fact that many women got their inventions stolen by men, all of these dudes were birthed by women and wouldn't have existed without a woman.

[u/lolobrazy → u/tawny-she-wolf]

if you were on a stage, i’d give you a standing ovation.

[u/TheSnarkling]

I remember reading that misogyny may have risen with the age of agriculture (which was likely invented by women as they were the ones foraging for plants in hunter/gatherer societies) because men's place in society had been made obsolete. People started growing their own food, so the "hunters" weren't nearly as important as they had been and this is where the idea that men have the "seed" for life began and women are just the fertile valley where it's planted (and the control issues men have around the idea of abortion stem from this idea, "thou shall not dig up what man has planted"). And with agriculture, came wealth, and wanting to pass on wealth to your heirs, and thus patriarchy.

Not sure if it was true, but it was an interesting article.

I'm not sure it's womb envy so much as the deep seated fear of the truth--men need women far, far more than we need them. If all men were to disappear, society would suffer, but women could just make a trip to a sperm bank and everything would eventually be fine. If that wasn't possible, well, women would eventually be able to reproduce without men at all through stems cells and gene editing.

But if all women were to disappear? Humanity would be fucked.

[u/miss24601 → u/TheSnarkling]

My main issue with this is that new research is saying the “hunter/gatherer” thing is either a complete myth, or highly exaggerated. Women actively participated in hunting, the ideal of gendered division of labour was most likely exaggerated to naturalize patriarchal hierarchies

[u/111333999555 → u/miss24601]

This is verifiable, for example, women in the past had considerably higher bone density than modern women. They probably had more muscle, strength, and ran faster than the nowdays women on average. There's also the issue that they menstruated less. In the past, there were fewer endocrine disruptors in general.

Sexual differences clearly exist and men on average will always perform better in this field, but women being very weak was something that was taught. There is no reason for women to only have 30-40% of a man's strength nowadays when they could have 70-75%.

[u/suckmyclitcapitalist → u/111333999555]

Yep. I lift very heavily and I'm stronger than any man of a similar height who doesn't, and even of some who do

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Humans were communal and children born were just cared for by the group. Individualistic thinking and nuclear families are a patriarchal concept and allows every man to own his own woman sex slave by denying women access to resources.

Humans all working together as a big support system meant that not every society really gave a rip about paternity.

[u/Millipond]

It's the Patriarchal need to control the womb to make sure that the offspring is theirs, because Mommy's baby, Daddy's maybe ...

[u/humbered_burner]

OP, is this written by ChatGPT? The few recent posts on your account all look like they'd been written by ChatGPT as well.

[u/-BITCHB0Y- → u/humbered_burner]

I think it is -- not that the message isn't 100 necessary but use your own words to discredit the patriarchy! we can't rely on the system!

[u/GoAskAli]

We literally birth and raise the entire human race as a sex class - what could possibly be more important?

And the majority of us in the US do it while working full-time, mostly alone.

[u/Disastrous-Dare-9909]

Okay, so I may get downvoted here but I think there’s nothing to be jealous of when it comes to women's reproduction. For men, creating new life is a brief pleasure, while for women it’s a long torture and as if pregnancy and childbirth weren’t enough, there’s also breastfeeding afterwards. Men aren’t jealous of pregnancy and childbirth, do you really believe that? Do you really believe that men want to be pregnant and give birth while being torn apart? Ask yourself honestly do you think they would ever trade places with us? To be a vessel to a parasitic fetus? Womens lives have always been easy to ruin through the capabilities and limitations of their bodies, and I really don't think that there’s anything here men are jealous of. And the fact that they treat their sperm as sacred as soon as it fertilizes a woman and feel offended at the thought that she might want to remove it is another matter. It’s obvious that men want to force women into motherhood, whether they want it or not. But i don't think that has much to do with jealousy, i think it's more like their ego.

[u/sherehitewasright]

Womb envy, clitoris envy, two complete x chromosomes envy... The vast majority of things patriarchal religions and other aspects of patriarchy claim is actually a reversal of the truth, nature. Eg women as helpmeets, incomplete when the y is literally a mutated, truncated x with very little genetic info and evolved to add genetic diversity. Male is literally incomplete, a helpmeet for the female. The idea a male god created the world and all life on it? Bwahahaha. Female is the sex which gestates, births and sustains life.

[u/navespb]

Hmm.... I think you have some valid points, but I don't think "womb envy" quite captures the issue. You see, I have that, being a trans woman. I would absolutely take that risk of given the opportunity, but the technology isn't quite there yet and I'm probably too old now. 

What I don't have is jealousy, or anger, towards those who can, it's more of a respect, admiration and joy. I also don't have any urges to exploit others women in any way (just as I wouldn't want to be). 

What I think the really issue is the entitlement to pass on genetics, have a child but not be the one to bear it. That's why some of them are furiously working on ways to where they don't need women any more. But procreation is not the only they want, they also want sexual gratification and free labor in the form of caring for them. 

I think these are, by and large, unhealthy social practices that we could work towards changing over time, but it would require a cohesive view of a healthier model that we would have to promote to men, teach our boys, challenge our fathers. 

But the entitlement to express their anger will always be a danger for us. But but I also know that it's possible to shed that entitlement and live a more egalitarian life, and it's so much more fulfilling. I know this first hand. 

[u/[deleted] → u/navespb]

You as a trans woman are not really the one meant to profit from patriarchy.

Patriarchy exists for the sole purpose of taking control of reproduction away from the female. Because that’s the key to controlling the resource that is human beings

Humans discovered agriculture and wealth and the wealthy need to protect their wealth and power so they need lots of people to exploit. By restricting women’s freedoms and enforcing strict gender roles, they’re able to force codependency and force women to procreate at a rate that sustains the wealthy

Without all of that, women control birth rates and the cishet men still have to compete and better themselves. And the rich can’t leverage high job demand to underpay and enslave people.

And all the issues with cis men and their depravity with women boils down again, to wanting to control the women. To guarantee their own reproductive success and access to bang maids. This also is why so many right wing cis women shit on other women. Trying to guarantee their own security by controlling other women.

And of course let’s not forget how they took the concept of life creation, which is feminine in nature and tried to say that women came from a man’s rib, when really everyone came from the womb.

[u/After_Orchid_3778 → u/[deleted]]

Thank you! I strongly believe everything you have said...except that I believe WOMEN discovered agriculture. From reading Gerda Lerner and Barbara G. Walker.

Goddess bless ✨️