r/RedactedCharts • u/ducktumn • 1d ago
Unanswered Should be pretty simple if you are in the niche
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u/sekiya212 1d ago
Primary language is from Uralic and Turkic language family?
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u/ducktumn 1d ago
Close but no. That would include Koreans and Japanese
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u/sekiya212 1d ago
Sorry? Korean and Japanese are their own language families and don’t have anything to do with Uralic or Turkic languages
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u/ducktumn 1d ago
Uralic family includes Japanese and Korean too. Turkic is another family inside Uralic family.
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u/Witty-Marionberry892 1d ago
I think your confusing uralic with the theoretical altaic family thats been disproven abt 100 times
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u/frederick_the_duck 1d ago
The speculative family Altaic does. Uralic is also included in Altaic, but Japonic and Koreanic are not Uralic.
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u/Perfect_Management43 1d ago
That’s some propaganda from when Japan was trying to invade most of Asia
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u/guitar_vigilante 10h ago
Korean is a language isolate. It doesn't belong to any other language families.
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u/parlakarmut 4h ago
Actually Korean belongs to the Koreanic language family
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u/guitar_vigilante 42m ago
Yes, Koreanic is its own family that only has Korean. Korean does not belong to any other language families. It has its own family.
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u/leela_martell 1d ago
There's a hypothesis which connects Japanese to Turkic and Uralic languages but I don't think it (or Korean) is considered to be one by mainstream linguistics. Estonian is though.
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u/sekiya212 1d ago
Yeah, Estonia is missing which is fair enough but Koreanic and Japonic are widely considered their own languages families
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u/leela_martell 1d ago
Yes of course they are, just saying there's the Uralic-Altaic hypothesis which connects the Koreanic and Japonic languages to the Uralic and Turkic languages, I guess OP heard that. But it's only a vague theory and not "proven" at all or believed by most linguists.
OP is wrong anyways.
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u/TheSimkis 1d ago
Maybe it's not about just main language being in this group, but rather there is something common between all these languages, some similar word or grammar rule?
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u/snail1132 12h ago
I think they are all agglunative, but the map would still be missing a bunch of countries
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u/PlatypusEgo 22h ago
Huh, that the answer is NOT about language but still includes only Finland and Hungary out of all of Europe really threw me. I'm gonna have to ponder this one
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u/skibunny472 21h ago
Right?? Only thing I can think of is some obscure geography thing. Also wtf does French Polynesia have to do with this
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u/another-princess 20h ago
The blue box is the left of the image isn't French Polynesia. It's the chart created on mapchart.net, which is unlabeled here.
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u/PlatypusEgo 20h ago
Haha I think you're joking, but if not, I'm 99% sure that's just the map legend produced by the tool he used to make this, and he blanked out the text but not the color box for some reason
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u/Think-Trip-1865 18h ago
What somehow a lot of people forget is that Estonian is (closely) related to Finnish, just like Sami, but they don’t have a country.
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u/Left_Economist_9716 19h ago
I am interning in computational linguistics, and if this doesn't have to do with something linguistic, is it
Uprisings against the Soviet Union (or anything similar)?
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u/goaway-imsleeping 1d ago
Languages part of the hypothetical Altaic family?
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u/Think-Trip-1865 18h ago
If it would exist it would include Estonian, Korean and Japanese too.
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u/goaway-imsleeping 17h ago
Korean and Japanese are only thought to be in it by some scholars - a minority of the already small number of people who accept Altaic - but yes, Estonian should definitely be included! I wonder what it is then
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u/bemused_alligators 16h ago
It's named "land of [ethnicity]"/"[ethnicity] land"
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u/elephantower 16h ago
Yeah I was wondering about this too but what about afghanistan?
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u/SickdayThrowaway20 11h ago
Afghanistan you could make the argument that no modern ethnic group calls themselves Afghans. It's an older descripter that's mostly been displaced by Pashtun, plus there's all the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazara.
However the map is also missing Tajikstan, so there's something there
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u/itisoktodance 15h ago
That would include almost every country
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u/AntarcticanJam 12h ago
What? No it would not at all. United States. Brazil. South Africa. France. Almost every country in the world would not be that.
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u/leela_martell 4h ago
In which language though? Hungary is that in Hungarian but not English, Finland is that in English but not Finnish.
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u/SaltyVanilla6223 17h ago
Ok, I just found out that OP doesn't know what he is talking about, the answer is something with languages, but OP, who, for instance, thinks Korean, Japanese and all Turkic languages are Uralic languages (???) very likely fucked up the map.
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u/MarkMarkMarkMarkMar 17h ago
The answer is something with languages
OP also specifically said that it wasn’t about language.
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u/SaltyVanilla6223 1h ago
I know what OP said. My theory is it was something about language (because come on, look at the map), maybe something about language structure, or the word of the country in the languages themselves, but OP missed some and added some that he though fit but don't and now claims it's something completely different, while there is no logical solution.
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u/PlasticSmile57 13h ago
Diaspora population of a Soviet minority group? Like the Tatars? National ones would be obvious, can’t be Jews because no Israel/US, Romani and Muslims would probably be more spread out, but I definitely think it’s soviet.
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u/LengthinessRegular10 20h ago
Countries with an English first name in them? (Stan, Gary, fin, Lia) (i know it’s a stretch)
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u/AdZealousideal9914 4h ago
They all are either Finland, Mongolia or members/observers of the Organization of Turkic States (OTS)?
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u/RoultRunning 15h ago
It's that organization that has a bunch of turkic nations in it, plus observers?
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u/Dangerous_Copy_3688 1d ago
Languages originating from Mongolia? I know Magyars and some Turkic tribes like Tatars and Kipcheks that inhabited Central Asia share common ancestry with Mongols, so I figure it's something of that nature.
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u/Appathesamurai 17h ago
All places where a Khan ruled idk
The clear answer about Turkic languages being wrong really makes this impossible
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u/SureDistribution2087 18h ago
they are using the cyrillic script
edit: better say, they are NOT using latin letters
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u/Any-Aioli7575 18h ago
Azerbaijan, Turkey, Hungary and Finland definitely use the Latin alphabet. Maybe other central Asian languages like Turkmen too, I'm not sure, there's been a lot of changes from Latin to Cyrillic and the other way around in the region.
Also most countries that use Cyrillic aren't in Blue (Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.)
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