r/RomanceBooks smutty bar graphs šŸ“Š Oct 07 '24

Community Management Community Survey Results Post - PLEASE READ

Thanks to everyone who took the recent community survey! We sincerely value your feedback. For those who are new here, we do this twice a year to understand what people are enjoying about the sub and seek community input on rule changes. This time we had 1,112 total responses.

Survey Results Here

To summarize the poll results, users are generally happy with the level of rule enforcement. The only change to sub procedure that got consensus was to consolidate sale/deal posts with no context into one weekly thread. We will post that thread on Sunday, October 13 and begin directing sales posts there at that point.

With regard to the comments on the survey, they were generally supportive and we appreciate all the kind words! With regard to commenters that requested changes, 14 were concerned that we require too much detail in book request posts, and 5 felt the sub karma requirement was too high. While 10 comments mentioned that they feel the sub is overmoderated, 20 comments requested that we increase moderation on a variety of topics. We appreciate all the feedback and will continue to do our best to clearly and fairly enforce the rules that the sub has voted on.

A number of comments suggested things that we already do, such as hold a book club and make our megathreads more visible. We wanted to make sure everyone knew those links are in the sidebar! We also have a wiki here with lots of great community info.

With regard to sub karma and book requests, we wanted to provide the sub karma overview post explaining how the rule works and why it is in place. For the month of September alone, the sub karma rule removed over 1,500 request posts from new sub users. These are nearly all posts that were searchable and would have had to be manually removed by the mod team prior to this rule, and it is what's made moderation sustainable for us as the sub has grown. We do not plan to change this rule, and the survey results show that the majority of users are happy with the volume and quality of request posts we currently have.

If you are curious about how we enforce the searchable portion of the book request rule or anything else, our moderation policies are listed on the detailed rules page in our wiki.

Lastly, we wanted to address recent discussion about following/camping comments in request posts - we've heard from users and plan a separate community management post later this week. In the meantime, please do not report these comments as they are not currently against the rules and we're already aware of the issue.

Thank you all again for your participation, and for making this sub such a welcoming and fun place to be!

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u/Magnafeana there’s some whores in this house (i live alone) Oct 07 '24

Thank you for this ma’am and to the rest of the mods 🄰

But man, I’m disappointed clickbait titles was highly voted to remain, RIP šŸ™ƒ

It was voted on, and I voted against it, so at least I did my part in that statistic.

I’m just trying to understand why would people want that to stay? Just damn. This makes me worried, especially when we had a very clickbait highly upvoted post about wHy iS aLL roMANcE pOrn come through this sub. I really, really don’t want to see that happen again. That was so disheartening to see that people just trashed the genre this sub is built around and it was so so visible.

And I know someone will probably do it again, aaaaaaaah 🫠

But šŸ¤·šŸæā€ā™€ļø I voted no. So I said my piece on the matter.

How come I didn’t get a ā€œI Votedā€ sticker, mods, that’s what usually happens šŸ¤”

Anyways, thank you mods for looking into the following/camping comments, though! And thank you for keeping this sub democratic, appreciate your hard work, do the cha cha šŸ’ƒšŸæand have an ice cream šŸ¦

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u/incandescentmeh Oct 07 '24

TBH I can't remember how I voted on that question, even though I'm also bummed out by most "clickbait" threads (especially that "why is all romance porn?" thread you mentioned). I think the question was just too vaguely worded for my liking? What exactly constitutes "clickbait"? Is it a negative take on the genre + a sweeping generalization? I dunno.

It seems like a lot of people here do like to be pretty critical of the genre - those threads are super popular for a reason. Part of me is against banning something that I dislike when it seems like I'm in the minority.

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u/ochenkruto Loves a vintage hairy chest. Oct 07 '24 edited Oct 07 '24

Ire about the ā€œwhy is all romance porn?ā€ thread is still keeping me awake at night. That was the shamiest, flimsiest complaint ever.

That and the requests for ā€œaCTuaLly WelL wrItTen bOoksā€, wish we could vote on those cause fuck if I know what a universally and objectively well written books is.

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u/Competitive-Yam5126 All Aboard the S.S. Dubious Consent! 🚢 Oct 07 '24

I somehow missed this thread, and I feel like my mental health is better for it. The "Women Are Reading The Wrong Kinds of Books" argument is so tired.

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u/incandescentmeh Oct 08 '24

Yeah, honestly I'm jealous of anyone who missed it! I admit to being so confused by the thread that I was clicking on users to check their post histories. Some were clearly lurkers but plenty were regular commenters here. It was upsetting to see how anti-sex people are and how judgmental they clearly are towards those of us who read books with sex in them. It was like a Moms for Liberty thread...really strange and unpleasant.

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u/incandescentmeh Oct 07 '24

Honestly, same! So many people showed their true colors or appeared out of the woodwork in that thread. It's really weird and uncomfortable to realize that people are lurking and participating here while thinking that a lot of us are immoral deviants.

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u/howsadley Snowed in, one bed Oct 07 '24

Immoral Deviants is the new hot flair

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u/Synval2436 Reverse body betrayal: the mind says YES but the body says NO Oct 08 '24

I read this as Immortal Deviants and thought it was a title of a new paranormal novel...

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u/prettysureIforgot Gimme all the sad anxious bois Oct 08 '24
  1. I'd read that.
  2. That's also a good flair lol.

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u/howsadley Snowed in, one bed Oct 09 '24

Immoral Deviants After 5 PM

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u/Synval2436 Reverse body betrayal: the mind says YES but the body says NO Oct 09 '24

Big {Immortals after Dark by Kresley Cole} vibes haha.

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u/Necessary-Working-79 Oct 07 '24

The well-written one gets me too. If you (plural) mean "has been edited to industry standard and isn't full of typos" then say that. Once you go beyond to crafting stories, sentences&character arcs, quality becomes a lot less objective and the poster just ends up coming across as obnoxious.

Obviously not talking about posts where OP is looking for books with picturesque writing, etc. Those posts are usually pretty good at defining the type of 'good writing' they are looking for.

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u/ochenkruto Loves a vintage hairy chest. Oct 07 '24

Maybe I’m looking too deep into it, and maybe I’m being overly sensitive and cranky, but I take the ā€œgood writingā€ criticism as passive agressive shaming of other readers’ taste. It’s this weird NLORR (Not Like the Other Romance Reader) vibe, that maybe ā€œeveryone else is happy with their poorly written monster dicking pornography but I want REAL WRITINGā€.

You know what, you want a really well written story with a fragile MFC that rescues a morally grey, tall, dark and extremely handsome MMC, with a deep deep grovel and some romantic suspense? Have you considered reading Crime and Punishment by F.M. Dostoyevsky? It has a murder, a sex worker wounded bird MFC, a grovel so deep that the MMC literally drops down on his knees and kisses the soil of the streets of Petersburg when the MFC tell him to, and really really well written prose. Plus the mandatory HEA at the end, albeit in exile in a labour camp in Siberia.

I’m joking, please don’t read this book expecting a romance. It is...not a romance book.

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u/Necessary-Working-79 Oct 07 '24

Part of it feels shamey about the genre and very much wanting to read only Good RomanceTM, and part of it feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of how reading as a hobby works.Ā 

I've been reading romance, and a lot of it, since I was a tween, and I started thinking of it as my trash reading, as opposed to the classics I was dilligently working through.Ā 

To be fair, I was reading a lot of harlequins, which are definitely not peak literary works.

The first couple of times I came across a really brilliantly writen romance books I was genuinely surprised. It took me a while to realise that, as with every genre, there is a lot of garbage, a lot absolutely readable stuff and a lot less truly brilliantĀ  stuff. That's just how quality works in every genre.Ā 

You can't limit yourself to the rare gems because A. You have to look for them, and without trial and error you won't find them and B. If you read a lot, you have to fill in the gaps with 'good' and 'acceptable' books.Ā 

Unraveling is part of knitting, DNFing and reading non-brilliant books is part of reading.Ā 

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u/CherryPropel The lion, the witch, and the AUDACITY of this bitch. Oct 07 '24

I’m joking, please don’t read this book expecting a romance. It is...not a romance book.

That's putting it mildly.

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u/ochenkruto Loves a vintage hairy chest. Oct 08 '24

Hey it ends with an HEA. On a log. In front of a lake, or another body of water I’m fuzzy on the details.

19 year old me was very taken with the romantic subplot.

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u/tiniestspoon punching fascists in corset school šŸ’…šŸ¾ Oct 08 '24

You joke, but we regularly have to redirect lost Dostoyevsky fans extolling the romance in his "well written" masterpieces back to r/books or wherever their natural habitat is.

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u/ochenkruto Loves a vintage hairy chest. Oct 08 '24

Oh no, are they me at 19 from the future past?

Because if social media existed in 2001 you’d be taking down my Gush posts.