Top server on the hub is the capital of furry ERP server, and just behind it is furry ERP server medieval edition.
This is the absolute state of Space Station 13 now. What space sim? You play this game to pixelbump your sparkledog with another sparkledog.
It's hillarious that the game's description is still "Stay alive inside Space Station 13", it should have been changed to "Stay dry inside of coomer sim 13".
But no in all seriousness i keep seeing posts entirely misunderstanding the reason people don't like nsfw servers right now in ss13. They as of currently are just popping up after code bases that are inherently sfw then just essentially slapping nsfw on it and killing the original server just because sex was added. Imagine having your entire work for years or months get shot down because someone just added sex to it. You would be JUSTIFIABLY mad. Especially if you were a player of the original non nsfw server. They as of currently are creating an extremely toxic cycle in ss13. And on top of this being known for having particularly bad communities. And having major issues with age verification, such as splurt. That should have never gotten to the point that it ever did in the first place. Imagine seeing this game you love being effectively just shoved into this parasitic toxic nsfw server cycle. You would be mad too. no one gives a shit if youre both adults and you're erping. They give a shit that it's gotten to the point that it's basically killing what was effectively the actual game and just creating a toxic environment overall.
This is not to say that DDoS is justified. It's not. Just like violent rioting isn't justified. But outbursts like riots come from the unheard responding badly to an inflexible and injust system. DDoS is the same way.
The game has evolved into 2D vrchat for metacliques who become outraged if they die from an antag or anything unexpected happens.
Admins are now sec, and space law has been completely overtaken by server rules, often even constraining antag behavior.
Permabans for minor infractions are now the rule with very few exceptions. Often they are because of unwritten server customs or broad interpretations of "rule 0"
So yeah, DDoS are not justified but they are the natural and predictable result of a bunch of sad losers treating servers like their power-trip terrarium for their perverted punishment fetishes. Needing permission from these vindictive weirdos to play the game makes people pissed off. Having them micromanage every action you do in game sucks.
The appeals system is supposed to be checks and balances for bans but has mostly become a humiliation ritual, one that doesn't do its job of regulating admin behavior. Appeals are formalities that just reinforce admin control and sense of power.
It's easy to be pissed at this decline of the game's community and it's easy to see how someone would be pissed off enough to retaliate against a treehouse club of petty losers. If you want to end DDoS then start making server cultures better
I'm absolutely not blaming people for playing what they like, what I mean is that every server is either erp, fantasy, pvp or russian. What happened to the classic SS13 experience during the past few years..?
I've never been a fan of paradise but seeing only 44 players somehow hurts me...
Questions to y'all, do spess man game overall got worse? I can't speak for myself, since im not playing that regularly, and im that guy who got really introduced to the game by famous review by SsethTzeentach. Personally, i just like the game as it is. But, lurking spess man community and spess man 14 community, just to make it sure. i wondered.
Does the state of the game, state of the community, everything became worse, and it's not a simple nostalgia?
I play Scarlet Reach, after leaving Azure to find more gooning material, but here lately gooning just doesn't have the same rush like it used to. I joink it at least 15-20 times a day while playing Scarlet Reach, and nothing is satisfying.
When it first happened i thought it would go away in a day or two, But Its has been two weeks and its still going strong and i think some people are overestimating how much a ddos against a small system like BYOND would cost.
There is no sign of it slowing down and from what i have seen its seems like we are just waiting for the man behind the ddos to give up?
i really hope i get proven wrong here but i feel like this will go on for months at this rate now.
It's weird because if you see someone, say, creating false walls in Security, you can either
assume he's an antagonist
or you can report him for breaking server rules (self-antagging)
With most people not wanting to be banned, and most people who don't care being permabanned, this naturally selects in a way. You can get meta-knowledge about someone being an antag, because 90% of Space Law overlaps with server rules on most servers. Or you can just get them banned
What is the point of security besides antag-hunting in such a rules environment? Antags get executed or perma'd. Why have space law at all?
EDIT: I've come across a really cool, if radical, solution to make all IC policing work IC (without the game being being nothing but a FFA deathmatch): Persistent Prisoners
I see people bitching and moaning about paradise and praising monke... and meanwhile I only had horrible experiences with monke staff, them being borderline assholes reddit-esqu and snarky while ook is a borderline dictator who bans people willy nilly and has to be kept back by his staff, meanwhile paradise staff has been quite good to me.
I understand why someone would DDOS a specific server. They got banned and are pissed at the admins and since they cant play anymore they kick down the sandcastle and ruin it for everyone else. I dont agree with it but I understand it.
But why DDOS byond? Why target the entire SS13 community (plus some non-ss13 games) most of whom you have little to no interaction with? Is this the work of a griefer or is it just some random bot trying to extort money? help me understand the motivations of the ddoser
Closed because of policy breach. Gramps was someone that the community respected and enjoyed. I dont agree with everything the dev team does but an in-game poster canonizing him was a genuinely good idea to honor Gramps passing away.
As the title says, i just randomly saw a video (guess which) about this insane game i never heard about, which drove me mad to play it. But the game is very old, byond has stellar reviews and it looks very complex. None of it truly matters for me, as long as the game is alive and well...maybe the engine, as i don't know how bad byond is and if it will actually make it unplayable. So is it too late for me to make my own stories or will i have to content reading stories about others?
Also i saw that steam has a ss14 and i also would like to know if it is good, because it seems more stable and i might be more inclined to play it.
Now, I've only had good experiences playing on Vanderlin, this is just something I wanted to talk about. So this occurred a little more than two weeks ago. But Vanderlin made an announcement on their Discord, declaring that they would crack down on perceived LRP behavior. One of these behaviors was not being prejudiced enough against the inhumens (half-orcs, dark elves, tiflings). To be fair, it's only enforced on people who have the devout flaw and worship Astrata, this sun god with a beef against inhumens or something. However, Astrata is the default patron people start with and honestly, checking if people are roleplaying their flaws seems like micromanagement to me personally.
A question I really want to posit is how did we get here? How did we come to the point where staff are legit enforcing prejudice based on a player's IC religion and traits? It's supposed to enforce roleplay, but if you're being nice to an inhuman player, you're roleplaying with them! Enforcing specieism directly negates roleplay and interaction with other players. It's so weird because Vanderlin's rules never describe specieism as something to be enforced; it's just a roleplay thing you're allowed to do.
Ok, this is a personal viewpoint of mine, but I hope it can be useful. I think a big strength of HRP servers is actually how much freedom it provides compared to MRP servers. Compared to MRP servers, HRP servers like Vanderlin have vastly briefer rulesets. Their rulesets are written to allow for various roleplay opportunities. A great example is Vanderlin's rule on self-antagging; doesn't exist and players can incite and escalate conflict for the roleplay. This is a boon that I think Monkestation knows itself; Monkey's Paw is a recently introduced secondary server that has a ruleset like Vanderlin's and it was advertised for its freedoms, like the ability to incite conflict as crew. From my perspective, roleplay is a phenomenon that works when given freedoms to grow with the right guidance, rather than something that's enforced into existence.
It's just weird to see an announcement that Vanderlin will be "enforcing" roleplay by punishing things they deem LRP. I'm sure some of these things have merit, but I just think the entire mindset is wrong. How did we get from nurturing a roleplay environment to enforcing racism? It doesn't make sense.
It's also funny how there seems to be an auroboric discussion on enforced racism that's been in Vanderlin for a long time, and it's finally manifested. I mean, it's not as bad as similar servers......but that bar is in hell.
Out of the dozens, hell, hundreds of SS13 servers that have flared up and burned out, there are three that refuse to die:
• Colonial Marines
• Paradise Station
• Goonstation
No matter what’s going on in the community, these three keep cruising along. They’ve been at the top of the SS13 Byond hub for over a decade at this point. Massive player counts, regular updates, stable communities. Even when other “big” servers crash and burn, these ones just won’t go down.
So I gotta ask:
What’s the secret sauce? What makes them so resilient?
I'm confused because people are now running with the narrative that communists that want BYOND to be open source are DDOSing BYOND until Lummox caves into their demands. In this comment Lummox says there's a rumor that this DDOSing is happening because of a specific server's drama. I've yet to see confirmation of this rumor but have heard in other places that the server in question is lifeweb.
In a now-deleted thread someone posted a "manifesto" by communists saying they were DDOSing BYOND to coerce Lummox into open sourcing it and people are now running with this narrative. Mods deleted the thread so I won't link it, but I believe Lummox confirmed in that thread (in a comment that i can no longer find) that he doesn't think the people who wrote the manifesto are behind the attack and that they're just trolls trying to get attention. This is substantiated by the fact that the manifesto came days after the attack started.
I know mods are trying to limit discussion of the DDOSing so we don't give them attention but that's lead to the unintended consequence of people thinking open source advocates are behind this which just isn't true. IDK if the Lifeweb theory is true either but Lummox seemed to give relatively more credence to that than the open source one.
At this point the attack has gone on long enough that limiting discussion is pointless, everyone's talking about it in the discord servers. The attacks also seeemed to have expanded as paradise got hit too. Monke and /tg/ had outages too but I think that may be unrelated.
I would just like some confirmation on the motive of the DDOSer. Also is there no legal recourse we can take? I'm headed to law school right now so I'm no expert but I know people in the legal community who may be able to help us out. Just tossing ideas around, I'm not a technical expert but if there's a way we can identify who this guy is I could crowdfund retaining an attorney.
