r/ShadowSlave • u/Brook_TheSoulKing • 1d ago
Question Current Sunny vs Great Titan?
How difficult would it be for sunny to win against a Great Titan with: 1. Full Power. 2. 1 incarnation and with Saint/Slayer/Serpent (One Of the Three) and all shades. . . . Also, at full power (with all incarnations, memories, shadows, shades) how many Great titans could ge fight at once? 2/3/4? . . .
Also, what's the highest rank and class, he could fight and win against? My guess, A Cursed/Sacred Tyrant at full power with extreme difficulty, with a lot of prep time.
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u/The1Death 1d ago
Sunny probably wins but a big part of ss is how different aspects counter each other (ex. Abjuration is an easier fight for nephis than sunny).
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u/WhoIsDis99 1d ago
I doubt that, Sunny has more than trained against powers threatening to erase his existence. He can also just shadow counter his concept
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u/Aberon_I Priest of the Nightmare Spell 1d ago
while I don't doubt Sunny's prowess, please keep in mind that most of those things were passive, not aggressively trying to erase/deny his existence
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u/First-List-1273 1d ago
Nephis traveled as a sleeper in the hollow mountain. Eurys said he was surpised a living being could make it whole. Arguably Nephis aspect is good against nothing.
Sunny trained against it is a bit vague, he didn't really gain any ability, most likely it was will usage. We know that saint Cormac also made expedition there, so saint traveling the hollow isn't unherd. Of course Sunny has both a divine aspect and the flame of divinty, he could last much longer.
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u/y0u_called Mordret's Cohort 11h ago
Nephis travelled under the Hollow Mountain in the Underworld, as a Sleeper if Nephis tried to go into the fog covering the Hollow Mountains then she would cease to exist
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u/First-List-1273 7h ago edited 7h ago
The mist only being present over the mountain isn't outright stated. When the cohort goes to retrieve the crown of the first lord there is mist inside while traveling in the boat. Same when Nephis traveled with eurys.
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u/popstar1232 1d ago
Full power, I think it shouldn’t be that hard specially when you take in his new charm, curse. He just has to weaken it with a percentage of his shadows; and kill it with the rest. He has both the sacred tyrant or the wolf to weaken it with their wills. It really should not be too hard, considering that it shouldn’t have an absolute will/concept and should be overpowered from his death will alone, specially when paired with serpent.
I think slayer straight up solos it, and saint is hinted at to be stronger, while I have no doubt that a 1 incarnation sunny likely beats both; so ye it’s wraps, either way.
It’s hard to say but I honestly think he could beat a low tiered cursed terror. We haven’t even seen what a full powered Sunny can do, and now when paired with the chain enchantment and supreme serpent along side to 3 supreme shadows, and one of either the sacred moth, or wolf, he’s quite the problem. I say low tiered because I don’t think he can quite beat beings at the level of vtb yet, but could potentially beat a random one.
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u/its_Funloi Noctis' Cohort 1d ago
I'm not sure the Wolf has a Will. I think he said it in Ariel's game, it is a powerful shade because it's of a high rank, but it doesn't have a will because it is now dead and just an extension of Sunny's Will
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u/Huge-Top-6712 1d ago
No shades have will they’re just severely lacking compared to when it was alive, so if the living version of the wolf is like 10/10, that representing its full will, the shade would be like a 2 or a 3. But they can still use their will abilities it’s just weak compared to how it should be unless they’re augmented by an incarnation.
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u/Sithlord004 1d ago
Each of him is a great titan and has an army within his shadows so it wouldn't be that big of a deal, sure it wouldn't be a walk in the park but it's not hard either
I mean 1/7th of him somehow managed to find a way to defeat a Cursed Tyrant
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u/MarcusTheFallenOne Sunny's Cohort 1d ago
Full power he wins mid to high diff depending on the titan.
In terms of highest rank and class, he's for sure at cursed devil level with prep and maybe a tyrant if it's on it's own.
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u/Lamp200 Extraordinary Rock's Cohort 1d ago
with the curse maybe 100
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u/Brook_TheSoulKing 1d ago
There is no way, Sunny beating a 100 great titans. Infact, I am not even sure if Sunny, Nephis and Mordret fighting together could beat 100 Great Titans at once. The highest number of Titans sunny is beating is anywhere between 7-10 and it would be an extreme diff...
Don't forget how overpowering titans are not just because of there physical strength but their abilities as well.
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u/KeyAssociation6274 1d ago
The latest chapters are of him waging a war against a great titan (pretty sure the millipede queen has to be a great titan) and he is probably winning.
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u/DragonBoy845 1d ago
Are you all forgetting what a menace titans are? Think of Goliat and winter beast sunny was the same rank both times and still took him a lot of effort to win and let's not forget what skin walker was doing without being a titan. This fight mostly boils down to what the titans authority is honestly
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u/Suza751 Asterion's Cohort 1d ago
A great titan is probably close to or equal to a Cursed Beast/Monster but weaker than a demon. Sunny obviously with difficulty.
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u/-ArcheMage- 1d ago
I wouldn’t say difficulty, as of right now Serpent is a Great Titan. So just Sunny and all of his Shadows can do the same to a Great Titan as to what Saint Sunny did to Winter Beast
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u/OrgAlatace Asterion's Cohort 1d ago
He would stomp it with ease.
In fact his stronger shadows could probably solo it.
Strongest would be Cursed Terror, but depending on the matchup or whatever concept it embodies he could probably also beat a Cursed Titan.
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u/Traditional-Note-106 1d ago
No shot it beats a cursed titan he doesn’t have anything to damage some like that
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u/MarcusTheFallenOne Sunny's Cohort 1d ago
None of his shadows are solo'ing a Great Titan and at full power Sunny is barely taking on a Cursed Devil (Tyrant if we wanna give him the absolute benefit of a doubt) even with prep. Do remember that the death game arc was specifically designed for sunny to win it, Outside that he would have died even against Abundance at full power
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u/Sithlord004 1d ago
Saying he would have died to a Cursed beast is such a stretch man, at least let it be a demon or devil like abjuration
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u/OrgAlatace Asterion's Cohort 1d ago
Serpent is a great titan itself, and can partially negate wills of other beings. Saint can completely negate the powers of enemies and we already have seen how strong she is. Slayer in her incomplete form was living in the Shadow Realm eating up shadows of great and even cursed beings. We haven't heard much about fiend, but I would bet he's still comparable, or slightly weaker than saint.
Death Game arc was specifically for him to be at a disadvantage bro. He had barely any time to prep, barely any time to recover between fights, no access to his real domain, he was weakened when in the enemies tiles, he didn't have all his shadows, and he only had 1 incarnation. Even with that he managed to beat a Cursed Tyrant.
If we pit current Sunny vs Abundance again, Abundance is getting WALKED DOWN. His current charm is literally the perfect counter.
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u/MarcusTheFallenOne Sunny's Cohort 1d ago
Yeah current sunny wins obviously, I'm talking about sunny then not sunny now. It wouldn't make sense to match a current stronger sunny at all.
Further more sunny said it himself that while he was at a disadvantage, the cursed beings there were at an even bigger one especially cuz of movement and the rules of the game. Imagine if Sunny never had prep to fight the wolf or Abundance? He would have died no questions asked
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u/OrgAlatace Asterion's Cohort 1d ago
Yeah and imagine if sunny had access to his entire domain, shadows, memories, and incarnations, he would have beaten all of them. No questions asked.
Sunny said the enemies were at more of a disadvantage because they had to attack him on his tile (which is not the case for when he fought abundance, only for Wolf, Clock Giant, and the pack).
Also this entire post is about CURRENT SUNNY, it literally says so in the title.
*Edit, and for the ones that Sunny fought during the lost time, they also had to come to his tile.
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u/MarcusTheFallenOne Sunny's Cohort 1d ago
The post is about current sunny yeah but the basis of this argument is of Sunny back then. Obviously current sunny beats all the cursed being he faced in tge death game.
Even with access to his entire domain, 70 to 80% of it isn't even touching Abundance and that's being generous. Realistically 90% because most of his shades are low class supremes with a shadow of their will. Saint isn't touching them, Slayer had to rely on ranged weaponry because she also would have been annihilated. Serpent still hadn't been a supreme yet so it too would have been cooked and let's not even mention imp as well. Regardless of his domain or not he would have died.
I'd say he would have won against Abundance and it probably would have been easier but the wolf would have killed him (you could make an extreme diff argument tho).
Current sunny with his domain, shadows, shades, memories and incarnations are at best high to extreme diff'ing a devil of a higher class and extreme diff'ing a tyrant if it's alone or is hard countered. Those things are simply too powerful even with sunny's new upgrades
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u/OrgAlatace Asterion's Cohort 1d ago
You do realize the bonus of his domain isn't in the fact that they're fighting for him, but the fact that they give Sunny a near-endless supply of essence and boost his will tremendously. Right?
He fought wolf after a gauntlet of great beasts and then a Cursed Beast (both of which he had to fight in enemy territory which makes them stronger and him weaker), and was not able to rest because he needed to use Abundance to build a weave to deal with Wolf and the Clock Giant. He was actively weakening himself for the upcoming fight just to make a weave that would take out not one, but two cursed NM creatures, AND the pack of great NM creatures.
Then ofc you gotta remember that Sunny beat the other Cursed creatures during that memory loss section.
Idk where you got this idea that the wolf fight was close enough that Sunny would lose. If they were on equal ground, Sunny would have still won. He was able to beat it while insanely fatigued with less than 1/7th of his base power.
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