Finland enjoyed the protection of the American nuclear deturance, which we paid for, before & now that you've finally joined NATO! This is why the Soviet's didn't take all of Finland with their millions of troops & superior military. You'd be speaking Russian without US. FACT. 🤡

[u/woodhead2011]

[u/VectorPryde]

You can imagine the hissy fit the US would have thrown if Finland had developed its own independent nuclear deterrent. The Yanks even tried to stop France from getting nukes if memory serves. They've stifled the defence industries of Europe and other allies for decades only to turn around and claim we've all been riding their coattails. The world's stupidest hypocrites. So annoying.

[u/woodhead2011 → u/VectorPryde]

In fact, Sweden had even started developing its own nuclear weapons but the USA pressured Sweden to abolish its nuclear weapons program.

[u/RustyKn1ght → u/woodhead2011]

US was very keen to try to hold the nuclear monopoly and even slammed the door shut from UK and Canada about sharing nuclear technology with McMahon act 1946 (it was't specifically aimed at the UK, but "equally" at everyone: US was to not share secrets of the bomb with anyone) ,even when British scientists had been been significant contributors in the manhattan project and promises were made in 1943 that they'd be considered equal partners. UK and Canada rightfully so felt that the US had benefitted their work to end the war and then shafted them at the first opportunity.

In practice, other than souring relations for a while with UK, it didn't achieve much: While they cut off UK from resources, they still retained the known-how (apparently US officials weren't aware just how much UK had contributed to the development) to make their own.

UK developed it's own nuclear weapon 1952 and succesfully tested it. Hydrogen bomb followed 5 years later and the US basically just shrugged "Well, this act is now essentially useless, so fuck it" and ammended the act so that the US can now share nuclear technology and research with close allies.

[u/MaxTheCookie → u/RustyKn1ght]

Not the only thing they benefited from the work of UK scientists and promised to share, then going F you. The supersonic airplanes had its basis on UK work.

[u/Renbarre → u/RustyKn1ght]

You can add that for years British nuclear subs had an American officer on board with the codes for the use of the US built missiles.

[u/MaxTheCookie → u/woodhead2011]

It's more like we were MONTHS from a nuclear bomb but we stopped and gave it up.

[u/neilm1000 → u/MaxTheCookie]

Sweden?

[u/faveg13638 → u/VectorPryde]

"No, you're not allowed to get a job!"

"All you do is sit at home and sponge off my paycheck!"

Peak abuser shit on a grand scale

[u/papiierbulle → u/VectorPryde]

The Yanks even tried to stop France from getting nukes if memory serves

Not just that. USA also actively spied on France for years, and other allies

[u/Anbe17 → u/papiierbulle]

I bet they still do

[u/Wrong_Television_224 → u/VectorPryde]

While that's mostly spot on, I'd point out that it's not really hypocrisy if the folks talking trash now don't know how anything has worked since the Truman administration. That was all set up on purpose, mostly to the benefit of the military industrial complex that grew out of the Lend Lease program. It's benefited those people for decades. It got us into wars for "freedom" and "to fight communism" that were never about either of those things. No one currently holding the political reins in the US seems even vaguely aware of this fact, preferring to reframe based only on the myopic context of their current grift.

TL;DR: less hypocrites, more idiots.

[u/hercuriousity → u/Wrong_Television_224]

I counter that it is our responsibility to educate ourselves. Willful ignorance is a choice.

[u/Evan_Cary → u/VectorPryde]

My apologies for us screwing over literally everyone(except Putin, I guess).

[u/Owlyf1n → u/VectorPryde]

Yes and its funny when they claim shit like "you would be speaking russian if it wasnt for us" nah fam yall didnt give us any aid. Why we arent speaking russian rn is not because of any support or nuclear deterrant from yankedoodles but because our politicians walked a very fine line balancing between the east amd the west whilst simultaniously improving our military

[u/True_Sir_4382 → u/VectorPryde]

The us rug pulled Britain after we gave them our nuclear research and signed a treaty, then when they completed it they broke the treaty and refused to give us the complete research and nobody complains about it or knows as far as I have seen. It’s the reason the uk was the 3rd nuclear power and did there tests in 52 for atomic and 57 for hydrogen only a couple of years of the usa and ussr when the next power to get them was France in 60, suck it France.

[u/ronnidogxxx]

But instead they speak Finnish, can probably spell deterrence and know that Soviets doesn’t require an apostrophe.

[u/SnooCapers938]

This person should google ‘Winter War’

[u/LexLuthorsFortyCakes → u/SnooCapers938]

That just sounds like a bootleg Cold War, which the USA won after they invented global warming.

[u/TheHappyNerfHerder → u/LexLuthorsFortyCakes]

Thanks for that, I both spat out and spilled my morning coffee.

[u/Anbe17 → u/LexLuthorsFortyCakes]

Another invention the US take Credit for

[u/LexLuthorsFortyCakes → u/Anbe17]

To be fair a lot of their citizens do deny that it exists.

[u/Anbe17 → u/LexLuthorsFortyCakes]

True. And those who believe in it probably believes that they didn't just invent it, they are also paying for every other country to have it

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/SnooCapers938]

Also google Realpolitik. Finland remained as a primary trade conduit between USSR and western Europe and USA.

The nonsense that other countries must be subservient to America because of the war is stupid. It's just as stupid as Russian idea that other countries must be subservient to it because of the war. No country should be subservient to another, no matter how much the yahoos whine about it!

[u/Vinegarinmyeye → u/SnooCapers938]

Or indeed how to spell "deterrence".

[u/Colhinchapelota → u/Vinegarinmyeye]

I need that flair! Where did you get it?

[u/Vinegarinmyeye → u/Colhinchapelota]

Same as anywhere else mate. Go to the main page for the sub, three dots for the menu, flair - custom flair, then write whatever you like.

[u/Colhinchapelota → u/Vinegarinmyeye]

True. Brain not working. Cheers!

[u/Medium_Trade8371 → u/Colhinchapelota]

I think yours is better.

[u/Malusorum → u/SnooCapers938]

And Finland even ultimately lost that war, yet gave the USSR such a bloody nose that it never did it's usual "rearm and reinvade later" strategy.

[u/silduck → u/Malusorum]

yeah and they only gave the ussr a chile sized patch of land

[u/Long-Requirement8372 → u/silduck]

What? The territories Finland lost in WWII were roughly 43 000 km2. Chile's territory around 757 000 km2 is over 17,5 times bigger than that.

The entire Finnish territory in 1939 was under 50% of Chile's total land area. So, it was physically impossible for Finland to lose a Chile-size patch of land in any case.

[u/silduck → u/Long-Requirement8372]

yeah my bad

[u/Spinning_Torus → u/silduck]

Chile quite a big place actually it only looks small because of its shape

[u/gustinnian → u/silduck]

Swamp, not land as we understand it, with rising sea levels it will soon be under the Baltic Sea. Russia can add it to the other completely unproductive, insect infested, marginal 'land' that they are so proud of having amassed... Siberia, to take one gigantic example, is either rock solid permafrost or swamps with clouds of flesh-eating insects in the fleeting summer. Locals either have to avoid the place or don the beekeeping kit to set foot there.

[u/Satu22 → u/gustinnian]

No. Viipuri was lost and it was the fourth biggest city in Finland. Karelian soil is also very fertile and those lands were also lost. About 10% of Finnish population lived there.

Land around the Baltic sea is still rising because of the ice age and glaciers. 

[u/Cattle13ruiser → u/gustinnian]

Not entering a debate. But there was a reason why the USSR wanted that land and not other more resource rich regions.

They wanted a buffer zone between border and capitol in case of a war where the Fins are allied or occupied by their enemy.

[u/Quick_Humor_9023 → u/Cattle13ruiser]

They weren’t just aiming for that land. It was another ”3 days to the west coast and then we will celebrate taking the whole finland” type of plan.

[u/illarionds → u/SnooCapers938]

That was the Finns actually resisting tyranny the way Americans imagine they would resist tyranny.

[u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 → u/illarionds]

yeah, trump is living proof that america cant and wont resist tyranny..

[u/Antani101 → u/SnooCapers938]

and Continuation War

[u/Elmundopalladio → u/SnooCapers938]

And also looks at how Finland developed its infrastructure and society. They still have compulsory conscription after being invaded twice (with no help from outside especially the US) nearly every male under 40 is still eligible to be called up in emergency. Every public building has an emergency nuclear fallout shelter - blasted out of the rock (as there isn’t much soil depth) Finland knows it’s going to be in the front line should anything kick off and was in the front line of the Cold War with very real consequences for its population. Finland spent the Cold War walking a narrow path to not cause the Soviet Union offence, whilst trying to avoid its overbearing influence.

[u/Drunk_Lemon → u/SnooCapers938]

It is a shame that Finland lost so much land, but the Finns made sure the Soviets paid for every inch in blood.

[u/MaxTheCookie → u/Drunk_Lemon]

Too bad they didn't make them bleed more, then maybe the Sovjets would have stopped.

[u/Kshahdoo → u/SnooCapers938]

So Finland won it? Maybe you will say Finland also won WW2? Yeah, they were Hitler's ally...

Stalin for some reason decided to not occupy Finland in 1944, but Finland was the most pro-Soviet western country basically untill USSR's end.

[u/Torakka_ → u/Kshahdoo]

Yes Finland won it Finland cept its independence. And no Finland was not part of the axis powers but germany and Finland were figthing against USSR together but what choice did Finland really have be invaded by the soviets and end up like the baltics or any eastern european country Finland had to get an ally and Finland also wanted back the areas it lost in the moscow peace treaty. That was 10% of Finlands total landmass.

As for the reason Stalin didn't occupy Finland was cause Finland pulled out of WW2 before the nazis lost and USSR didn't want to lose more soldiers than it already had. Also Finland was useful and paying huge war reperations to the soviets.

Finland was neutral it had ties to both yhe west and USSR. But If you look at the map you will see that Finland and russia have a really long border. And then you can also look and find all of russias neighboring countries that werent part of the soviet union or part of the eastern block. Managing diplomatia ties with both sides ware crusial for Finlands existance.

[u/Kshahdoo → u/Torakka_]

Lol, you're so wrong from the first words.

1. Finland lost the 1939-40 war, Stalin didn't wanna occupy Finland, he wanted to move the borderline from Leningrad. He even offered Soviet territory in exchange, three times as big as the territory he asked for. In the end he got what he asked for without giving up any territories. If this wasn't a win, then what win could be at all in that situation?
2. Finland was a Hitler's ally, this is historical fact. It helped nazis fighting Soviets, and this is the fact as well.
3. Stalin could occupy Finland in 1944 without any questions. If Finland couldn't beat shitty Red Army in 1940, it had no chances vs Soviet Army that had basically already won the war against Germany at that moment.

[u/Torakka_ → u/Kshahdoo]

1. Stalin wanted to occupy whole finland they even had a fake government made led by Otto Wille Kuusinen to rule ovet The communist puppet state. And no independent country wants to give territory to others no matter what they will get from it and USSR gave the baltics same echange plan and then they ware forcefully taken as a part of soviet union. And sure USSR did win something they gained territory but they also lost more men than Finland even bougth to the war it was a humialition for the soviets. But for sure was a win for Finland we kept our independence.
2. yes Finland and nazi germany had the same enemys USSR) and they fougth with eachother but the continition war was a separe confickt.
3. The Winter War was humiliating for soviets to lose to Finland and what did it take to beat germany? At that point USSR had drained most of its supplies and If they had attacked Finland it would make them look even worse on the eyes of the world cause at that point there was already a peace treaty between finland and soviets so it would be unessesary to drag Finland back to the war again and other allies wouldnt approve it. Also Finland made its military stronger after Winter War and we literry beat soviets whit chunks of wood, wheather and skis and in 1944 Finland had better eguipment picture the result. Helvetin paksu kallonen ryssä.

[u/Kshahdoo → u/Torakka_]

Man, I'm no teling you my opinion, I'm telling you historical facts which are very easy to prove. But of course you can believe in whatever you want, it's your problem...

[u/Sea_Fox_753]

Wake me up when they have something new to say

[u/714pm → u/Sea_Fox_753]

Honestly I was expecting "You'd be speaking German without US." If "Russian" isn't new enough, then you have to give him deturance. Nobody was expecting that.

[u/Cixila → u/Sea_Fox_753]

I think the heat death of the universe is closer to us than that

[u/sadicarnot → u/Cixila]

Oh thank god. How soon will all this be over?

[u/bifb → u/sadicarnot]

Not soon enough...

Or too soon...

Pick whichever you fancy, it's inevitable either way.

[u/Drunk_Lemon → u/Sea_Fox_753]

Well trump said that he can do whatever he wants and many people want him to be our dictator. It's kind of a given that dump thought that shit but it's new that he is out right saying it rather than saying it via his actions.

[u/Colhinchapelota → u/Sea_Fox_753]

Look at you Rip van Winkle.

[u/Chemical_Form_8015]

This American has no knowledge of history. A little reading about "The Winter War" between Finland & Russia would be time well spent.

[u/Bursickle → u/Chemical_Form_8015]

Current generation Americans get their history from Hollywood where the USA always wins and saves the pretty buxom maidens ...

[u/x4x53 → u/Bursickle]

Worse - they get it from Insta/Tiktok/Youtube . Not the informative part, the weird doom scroller part

[u/Djonso → u/Chemical_Form_8015]

Even ignoring the winter war, we had little to no help against the soviets during the cold war. We still speak finnish because of careful navigation of our politicians at the time

[u/Ethroptur1]

Clueless about Finland's history.

[u/Bursickle → u/Ethroptur1]

I'm sure (s)he is clueless about a lot of other things too ...

[u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 → u/Ethroptur1]

clueless about any history including their own.

[u/TangoCharlie472]

Now see...if they'd stayed a British colony, they'd be able spell correctly 🙄

[u/Kratomius]

As a Finn i have only this to say. Excuse me but wtf are you smoking so i can avoid whatever you are taking. Whatever you are taking is clearly causing major brain damage.

[u/samanthasgramma → u/Kratomius]

Clearly has been doing an awful lot of weed during critical brain development.

[u/ClearMacaron9234]

i read this as "signed, 🤡"

[u/Pope-Muffins]

Its like the second a country joins NATO their entire military budget is subsidized by the US to these folks

[u/DragGreedy6859 → u/Pope-Muffins]

.. Do not forget always current topic of the univeral health insurance in the Northern -European countries apparently paid by ameriKKKa.

[u/ParChadders]

If you can’t spell deterrent perhaps you shouldn’t post a comment that highlights both your ignorance and your illiteracy.

Typical fucking yank. They didn’t used to be this way. What happened? Has Trump being elected again emboldened all the morons to come online or something?

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/ParChadders]

We were also this way. Well, some of us. It's hyper-nationalism. We are the greatest country on earth and we're pissed off that other countries don't bow to us every morning. It's nonsense! Their world view ends at the US border, and everything beyond that is just myth from the olden days about how all of mankind was doomed to destruction until our superheroes were deployed.

Meanwhile, "there'd be no America without French help in the revolution!" is utterly forgotten, or downplayed, or even mocked. I may make it a point to go around saying "We'd all be speaking English instead of American if it wasn't for France!"

[u/Lazy_Maintenance8063]

Finland beat soviets twice before nuclear era and we speak finnish. And our president speaks better english than the murican counterpart.

[u/Happiness-to-go]

This person should look at how Finland has been designed to survive a nuclear assault from Russia.

[u/Dependent-Bet1112]

Britain and France have a combined nuclear arsenal that is larger than China’s. Finland’s in NATO. Hmmmm…

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/Dependent-Bet1112]

And it was dead set against being in NATO until Russia invaded Ukraine and made it clear that it wanted to go even further.

Finland did not want to be in NATO because historically it had been the buffer against USSR and later Rusia, and it would have been seen by the loose bolts in the Kremlin as too provocative.

Today though, Finland clearly sees the Russian threat that American leaders appear blind to.

[u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911 → u/Maleficent_Memory831]

you forget that america would require leaders with more than one functioning brain cell.. and the balls to back up their stupid statements.

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911]

So more than one brain cell and ball per leader? Many where are you finding all these resources?

[u/Numerous_Team_2998]

He should learn where Molotov coctails originate from.

[u/Above-new-zealand]

This person probably thinks that winter war was between santa and reindeers

[u/Mrsu300]

"deturance"

[u/SignificantZombie729]

Simo Häyhä would disagree.

[u/sandraRare]

Finland defended itself in the Winter War long before NATO or US help. History isn’t as simple as this take.

[u/Lathari]

[u/Morlakar]

They never heard about the deadliest sniper in human history. A guy called Simo Häyhä. Spoiler, that guy is not an US-American.
The last time Russia tried to take Finland by force it didn't work well for Russia.

[u/schneeleopard8 → u/Morlakar]

Actually at the end Finland still lost and had to give away some territory to the USSR.

[u/Morlakar → u/schneeleopard8]

Actually, Russia showed that they are not able to steamroll Finland. They lost some land but that is not comparable to being part of Russia instead of an independant country.

[u/Mercarion → u/Morlakar]

Yeah and back then during the Continuation War the US even was supporting the USSR, and still they couldn't annex Finland. (Even if we had to pay some reparations and were quite conciliatory and mindful of them until their dissolution)

Oh right and the war also ended before the nukes were even used on Japan, so that time hardly was thanks to the US' nuclear deterrence.

[u/schneeleopard8 → u/Morlakar]

USSR, not Russia.

[u/KiwiFruit404 → u/schneeleopard8]

Well, Russia one way, or the other forced the other countries to join the USSR and it was the dominant and leading power, so calling the USSR Russia is not that far off.

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/schneeleopard8]

Technically true. However Russia was first among not-quite-equals, and Russian ethnicity was held above others, occuped nations and regions were required to learn Russian. And the USSR was also first among not-at-all-equals, all wanted all the International Socialism movements to look to them for leadership. Which didn't happen of course.

[u/Friendlypyromaniac → u/schneeleopard8]

In comparison the the total steamroll the soviets promised? They had a shitton of casualities, a fuck-ton of officers, political or not, were killed by finnish snipers and their tanks were destroyed by infantry with skiis, that isn't a victory in any way, they won on paper, not in practice

[u/Morlakar → u/Friendlypyromaniac]

Pyrrhic Victory is the correct term for the Winter War.

[u/schneeleopard8 → u/Friendlypyromaniac]

I won't argue that this was a succes for the Soviet Union, of course it wasn't. Just wanted to point out that this also wasn't a total win for Finland like the Vietnam war for Vietnam, as they still lost something in the end.

[u/Maleficent_Memory831 → u/Morlakar]

They did take back land the next year, starting the Continuation war where they were ostensibly allied to Germany but were actually fighting to regain their land for the most part. Eventually Moscow got it all back, and more, so a net loss to Finland, altough Moscow wanted it all and lost far too many soldiers getting what they could. Finland had crushing reparations which left them after the war stuck in the middle between NATO and Soviets superpowers, having to trade with Russia against their will.

Russia still doesn't trust them, they have a rabid hatred of all countries that were forced to ally with Germany or accept German bases against their will. Russia still calls the Baltic nations "Nazis" every time they try to erase signs of past Soviet occupations. Finland remember had earlier gotten independence from Russia, then had its own short civil war or reds vs whites (like much of Europe), so they absolutely were in no mood to allow Russia to take them back. A choice between two evil dictators and they weren't large enough to stand up to both at the same time, the two largest war machines in the world at the time.

[u/RustyKn1ght → u/Maleficent_Memory831]

It's really rich of them keep calling everyone else nazis, when good chunk of their "private" military companies have far-right connections. Hell, the late Dmitri Utkin (One of the founders of Wagner-group) was so covered in nazi-symbol tattoos, that showing him shirtless automatically demonitized the video on Youtube.

[u/321_345]

[u/IrishViking22 → u/321_345]

[u/DesignatedDonut2606]

OMG, I just can't with the USAliens anymore 🤢

Anyone else totally fed up with their crap, as in, they've hit their limit now?

[u/YogurtclosetFair5742]

[u/PresidentPopcorn]

Moomin Papa would not stand for that, I can tell you.

[u/TassieBorn]

I really want to watch (from a safe distance) while he says this to a Finn.

[u/DragonStyle01]

Oh yes, Finland was saved by America because the winter war happened after the Trinity Test

[u/brezhnervouz]

This is why the Soviet's didn't take all of Finland with their millions of troops & superior military

something something massive Soviet embarassment in the Winter War 1939-40

/sigh 🙄

[u/Old_Bird4748]

Deturance?

What language is that in?

If you want to represent the US, learn English first.

[u/OddStatistician8858]

no they'd still be speaking finnish

[u/rothcoltd]

Come back when you can spell “deterrence”

[u/mudduck2]

Some how I don’t think the Russians are waiting to take on the Finns again

[u/SinistralGuy]

Americans haven't been part of a winning side since WW2. Clearly showing they've lost the Cold War in this day and age, lost in Vietnam, sucked in the Middle East. Couldn't even protect their own air space from a couple of airplanes. How does anyone think they're acutally protecting anything?

[u/Goblinweb]

USA supplied Soviet with weapons that were used against Finland.

[u/sash71]

I hate it when people write 'FACT' when it's their opinion and not actually a fact. I have a friend who has started doing this when texting me about the latest stupid thing he's heard on GB News (he's just found that channel).

[u/Sxn747Strangers]

The USA wouldn’t have had such a strong position in the Cold War and at this current time, if there weren’t all the bases, listening stations, nuclear weapons and aircraft in the UK and other countries giving the US early warning they were about to be attacked. FACT.

Edit. Although it also gave us early warning it wasn’t enough time to boil an egg.

[u/Dramatic-Belt5148]

I just finished reading the one where they saved Europe from speaking German, now they save Europe from speaking Russian. I can confirm I had both German and Russian classes in school in Poland lol

[u/gustinnian]

Weary Europeans having to constantly provide remedial history and/or economics education for cohorts of poorly informed Americans is starting to get tedious. The recent bout of willful ignorance clearly stems from the orange wrecking ball himself who by all accounts flunked his education and struggles with 1D Chess.

The only benefit is the unifying effect it is having on Europeans who are being treated like Europe is a single country by simplistic Yanks.

[u/KiwiFruit404]

Wow, that guy must have access to a crystal ball ulternate universe edition.

I mean how else could he claim it being a fact? 🤔

[u/Beneficial-Ad3991 → u/KiwiFruit404]

The same way I may claim being the Queen of Sheba.

[u/WheelspinAficionado]

It's their go to, their grandad washed dishes on a freighter in the pacific, but we need to bow down to Jimbo in the sticks because of...ehhh...because we risked being nuked from being friends with the US...?

[u/TheHellbilly]

[u/KindlyLecture9087]

Don’t Americans know other countries have nukes too. They might have thousands but you don’t need thousands to do enough damage to ruin a country. And I’m sure there are many people in Finland that can speak Russian along with manyother languages.

[u/LieutenantDawid]

they probably think the winter war and the cold war is the same thing.

[u/superspur007]

What the hell is "deturrance "

[u/Malusorum]

This sounds like scizo posting.

[u/Bruntti]

Vomits absolute bullshit, ends with "FACT"

The US had nothing to do with it. Ironically THE NAZIS did more. Lmao.

[u/I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS]

Anytime I see someone conclude their argument with 'Fact' as a one-word sentence, it tells me that it probably isn't.

[u/Psych-Nurse5446]

They think John Wayne movies are history lessons

[u/griffonrl]

Facepalm! At least Finland managed to beat the Russians. Not like the US and their long string of carpet bombing without the ability to win on the long run any war they start.

[u/Unhappy_Researcher63]

Iirc, Finland bouth a third of their military equipment from soviet, a third from western block and a third from their own industry. And they should shoot down every plane wo come into the Finnish airspace QA

[u/Other_Big5179]

American exceptionalists act like speaking a foreign language is a punishment. im a polyglot. Torture me.

[u/Torakka_]

Mitä ihmettä. Mä kutsun vittu terapeutin tälle tyypälle näyttää selviä oireita harhaisuudesta ja skitsofreeniasta. Suosittelen erittäin vahvaa lääkitystä sekä elinikäisen vierailun mielisairaalan teho-osastolle. (:

[u/InattentiveEdna → u/Torakka_]

😂

[u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011]

Simo Häyhä was doing a pretty good job of keeping the Russians out of Finland.

[u/InattentiveEdna → u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011]

My ASD kid spent months telling me the same facts about Häyhä over…and over…and over. He seems to have been pretty effective though.

[u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 → u/InattentiveEdna]

Fellow ASD with those same niche interests, I dig it.

[u/NefariousnessFresh24]

"Without us you'd all speak German / Russian - so you better speak English, damn it"

[u/ChingChongMcBong]

It's a whole country stuck in an echo chamber.

[u/Beneficial-Ad3991 → u/ChingChongMcBong]

Step-country.

[u/SinistralGuy → u/ChingChongMcBong]

North Korea 2.0

[u/UnwillingHero22]

Is this satire? Parody?

[u/ChieckeTiotewasace]

What tiresome wastes of skin they now exclusively seem to produce across there.

[u/Fluid-Piccolo-6911]

what a dribbling wanker...

[u/Medium_Trade8371]

WTF is deturance? Some method of making nukes take a detour? Where do they go? To Wisconsin to make toxic waste cheese, that glows in the dark?

[u/MikeSteamer]

Any modern country can develop nuclear weapons. Germany, Sweden, Canada, Italy and the list goes on, would have nuclear weapons within a short time frame. Canada was one of the original nuclear countries, has some of the largest reserves of fissionables and has vast experience in manipulating and refining nuclear materials as well as the science involved so it would not be a huge leap to machine hemispheres of uranium or plutonium to make an A-bomb.

A 20-50kt nuke is a sufficient deterrent if you have a few dozen of them and a means to deliver them.

[u/EvilPopMogeko]

I believe the quote from the red army was that they took enough Finnish soil to bury their (massive) piles of dead. 

[u/snugglebum89]

[u/fromwayuphigh]

Fucking dipshit needs to read a book.

[u/conroythewonderdogs]

God I’m sick of Americans who think they are the saviours of the world. It’s amazing how we all managed to survive before they finally got off their fat arses two years after everyone else had committed. And amazing how today’s Americans keep on taking credit for what their brave forefathers did. Get over it you self opinionated,insular and ignorant loudmouths.

[u/Final-Nebula-7049]

I think if Russia crossed the Finnish border by an inch, Moscow would fall in a week.

[u/Fair-Elevator1820]

Why are they so scared of speaking different languages?

[u/maxroscopy → u/Fair-Elevator1820]

Deturance reasons

[u/MaddogFinland]

Yeah I live in Finland and…no. No finland did not enjoy the protection of the US nuclear deterrent and also more or less single-handedly defended itself against Russia from 1939-1944 at staggering cost. The only favor America did for finland during that time was not declaring war (unlike Britain) and for helping with some equipment and machine tools later. Finland needed to sign that stupid “treaty of friendship and mutual cooperation” with Stalin that more or less gave the USSR a veto over independent action or else Russia would come “liberate” Finland. As a result Finland wasn’t in a position to even be overly friendly (officially) with America until 1991. So America has really not done Finland any favors and as a consequence Finland owes America exactly nothing. And in spite of that Finland is maybe one of the only countries in Europe that is broadly positive to the Yankees. Maybe one of the only countries in Europe that can say that.

[u/cipheos]

Ah yes, speculative facts. My favorite. The best facts. The only real facts when you think about it. Facts unlike the world has ever seen before.