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[SPOILERS] Post AEW Forbidden Door Match Discussion: The Hurt Syndicate (c) vs. Brodido vs. FTR for the AEW World Tag Team Championship Spoiler
Brodido are YOUR NEW CHAMPIONS!
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u/apehasreturned DDT Shill 2d ago
Shame about the finish but so glad they’re running with Brodido
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u/QuiGonJinnNJuice 2d ago
exactly. I'm bummed the finish botched like that, and the stuff with Hurt Syndicate was weird, but in a month if FTR has an excellent match with Cope & Christian and Brodido is continuing to get consistent TV features and a couple strong feuds, I'll be quite happy and not worried about the botch in the finish.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
But for how long? They gave them the titles but just for transition? I have no doubt they will stay a tag team but with the Hurt Syndicate on top it put the focus on tag teams more.
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u/heels_r_us *I want to play a game* 2d ago
ROUGH ending to a pretty fun match
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u/MoonDogSpot1954 2d ago
Yeah, it looked like Bandido kinda rolled off, so ref had to redo count
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
Bandido rolled off because Brody was the legal man, but the ref was counting anyway so he just went with it.
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u/StockRanger1397 2d ago
Im not a “purist” wrestling fan but the one thing that does bother me in AEW is how often they disregard the legal man in tag matches. They did it constantly at All In too and it’s just confusing to me
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u/Wolfpac187 2d ago
Even the commentary didn’t know who the legal men were. That shit shouldn’t be happening.
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u/ArgieGrit01 Hangman mark, like any good person 2d ago
That was because Bryan got lost and kind of exposed commentary for not keeping up. It was Brody and Bobby.
Even after the outside spot with Bandido and Dax crashing on everyone, Shelton rolled Brody in and Bobby kept going as the legal man.
I lost track myself after that, so idk lol
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
The fact it was advertised an elimination then the match was not. Then you can tag any man then could not was a BIG problem.
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u/ericrobertshair 2d ago
In fairness, in the UK there has been a lot of controversy over "one in one out" rules.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
Its sloppy shop. This is something they need to do better. You gotta roll with the punches in AEW.
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u/Icy-Clock2643 2d ago
It annoys me if it's obvious who the legal man is. When the match breaks down and I forget who it is I can forgive the referee for also forgetting.
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u/Wolfpac187 2d ago
It looked like the ref stopped counting then Bandido had to readjust. Should’ve just counted the pin cos it looked stupid.
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
It was like the ref had realized "Okay, this isn't the legal man" and stopped counting, but Cash had jumped in to try to break up the pin and fell short because that was supposed to be the finish, so the ref had to start counting again without switching Brody to the pin because Cash was already right there.
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u/williamk1983 2d ago
Had me thinking the ending was botched (which I suppose it was) but thought that maybe Dax was hurt which was why they then went with the win as is
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u/Anderrrrr An Irrelevant Smark. 2d ago
Just a bit of a mess tbh, great match though.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
In the end I just like to see Bobby and Shelton wrestle. They are really good at what they do. When they dont wrestle on a show I am dissapointed. And fans that give them shit about their age can pound sand. You can't tell those guys are almost 50.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
I would like to see Syndicate vs Bandido on Wenesday but it looks like they are moing on to the GOA and Richchet. But the Syndicate already beat GOA over a month ago without much trouble. Perhaps just rematch the PPV. I dont know.
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u/Big_Contribution_791 2d ago
Hurt Syndicate really didn't want to take the pin huh
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u/NekoJack420 2d ago
*Lashley. People say the Hurt syndicate but Shelton was pinned 3 times already, so he is at least cooperative.
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u/Draw-Two-Cards 2d ago
Yeah same shit with Malakai, They'll deny it and complain about dirtsheets but somehow the match results always support it, Even gimmick matches used to avoid pins.
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u/Gerry-Mandarin 2d ago
Same thing with Edge. "He doesn't book the matches". Kinda weird he hasn't lost a feud clean since his return nearly 6 years ago, though!
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u/Kanenums88 2d ago
I honestly don’t buy it, as much as I think his second run has been a general disappointment. It’s just Edge at the end of the day. A legend no doubt, but he’s not a legend like Stone Cold or The Rock that’d be believable, but Edge isn’t enough of a draw to warrant giving him that much creative control.
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
But they aren't giving him creative control, they've just been booking him to win matches.
Lest we forget, Edge did get stacked and pinned along with Bryan by Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania. If creative control was at play, that could easily have been just Bryan being pinned.
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u/Kanenums88 2d ago
Well that is the thing people suggest. “Adam Hogan” everyone who goes over a ton is a “Hogan”, but the issue with Hogan is he had the creative control to politic.
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u/OjamasOfTomorrow 2d ago
You guys are so weird assuming this shit and calling someone ego driven based on nothing. He has zero drama in the dirt sheets around him when it comes winning/losing like guys like Miro and Malakai.
It’s almost like Edge is a big star and so valuable that both WWE and AEW have booked him like so.
This sub is embarrassing with shit like this. Making up your own shit and believing it to fit your narrative just because you dislike how someone is booked is weird.
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u/Trumppered 2d ago
It's also worth mentioning you can put people over without eating a pin to them and there's maybe no better example of that then Edge.
The entire Judgment Day launched into superstardom at Edge's expense.
FTR's current fantastic heel run got launched at Edge's expense.
But we're supposed to think he's selfish because he didn't eat a pin from Kip Sabian in his reunion match with Christian lol
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u/RegardTyreekHill 2d ago
Right lol speaking so matter of fact like they were in the room with Edge and the Hurt Syndicate when the decision was made. Very bizarre
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u/Zestyclose-Fee6719 1d ago
Yeah, it's called protecting someone. It's like some fans have gotten so used to 50/50 booking from WWE over the last ten-twenty years that they suspect foul play when someone is kept strong.
Has Kenny Omega put anyone over clean since coming back from diverticulitis? He's won matches against Gabe Kidd, Takeshita, Ricochet and Mike Bailey, and The Death Riders. He's one of a very small list of guys to get even just a visual pinfall over Okada in AEW.
Is that because Kenny is a terror who refuses to lose, or is that because it's Kenny fucking Omega who is more over than most of the roster and is being kept strong by a smart booker in Tony Khan? I'd say it's pretty obviously the latter.
This isn't 2003 WWE with Triple H. Adam isn't burying anyone. He's been a huge catalyst of reheating FTR with a heel turn/injury angle. Besides that, he's barely actually beaten anyone major on the AEW roster because he's been feuding with Christian for a lot of his run.
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u/SwimmingAd4160 2d ago
If you include pre retirement it's almost 15 cause he also rarely took pins during his 2009-2010 face run.
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u/Anderrrrr An Irrelevant Smark. 2d ago
Really shocked FTR took the pin.
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u/Mr_Know_It_All0408 2d ago
I’m not. They haven’t ever been to full of themselves to act that way
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u/Anderrrrr An Irrelevant Smark. 2d ago
Not in regards personally, just because the momentum they had turning heel earlier this year.
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u/gravejello 2d ago
Yeah I thought it was obvious they would win and then drop the belts to E & C but I guess it’s just a non title feud
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u/DaleyT bang bang 2d ago
That feud doesn’t need to be for the belts since it’s a grudge. They can chase the belts after getting revenge.
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u/gravejello 2d ago
Yeah that’s what’s best for the tag division but I think everyone assumed they would win the belts in Canada
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
You know,you might be right. E&C dont really need the belts and its not like they are going to defend them often even if they get them from FTR. This was all just assumed. Its cool Brody and Bandido clicked but I was looking forward to a big feud with FTR and the Syndicate and it just did not hit. Its was a stop gap to get to E&C and they put the belts on Brodido.
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u/QuiGonJinnNJuice 2d ago
I mean, they're still doing excellent work. They've got a main event feud cooking with Copeland and Christian, and Brodido is super exciting, super over, and a really hot act that's come together. I don't think this really hurts FTR's momentum in any sort of medium term scenario. IMO It helps to provide more depth and life to the tag division that badly needs it
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u/TeamZiggler COWBOY ISH 2d ago
You shouldn’t be. They haven’t been like that ever in their career. Besides, they’re taking the titles soon anyways. No chance Cope & Christian vs. FTR isn’t for the titles.
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u/McAllisterFawkes has been drinking 2d ago
I'm not at all surprised that FTR agreed to take the pin, but like the above poster I'm surprised that they were asked today, I thought we were building to FTR vs Cope & Christian for the titles.
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u/Trumppered 2d ago
No chance Cope & Christian vs. FTR isn’t for the titles.
Strong disagree. Christian and Edge got back together to settle grudges; not chase titles
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
It's a situation like Danielson, I feel, where they don't need the titles but it'd be nice to have them in the title lineage.
That could always come after they're done with FTR, though. There's still the match with the
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
I was suprised to but the goal was to get the belts off Bobby and Shelton but onto FTR for Copeland and Christian. Maybe to just prolong things?
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u/tdmatchasin 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't know what you do about this if you're AEW/TK, but I don't blame them for trying.
You don't want to give in to the talent making politicking demands like that. At the same time, you should be willing to give 'transfers' a chance. Samoa Joe has been amazing in AEW and was willing to do business from time to time. Claudio as well. Even Shelton was fine before Bobby/MVP got wrapped up with his status.
At this point I wouldn't mind HS getting time off TV even though by all means they do pretty good business. Yeah they're draws. Yeah they get tons of attention on youtube & socials and what-not. But not taking a pin for Brody King when your tag team is basically an average of 50 years old? Fuck outta here.
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u/luckysharms93 2d ago
Especially since they apparently "wanted to wait to put over a top young team". Then they don't put over the most pushed young babyface team in JetSpeed and then do the same thing with the next most pushed babyface team in Brodido. I love watching them but if they won't do business, then get Bobby and MVP out of the company, cuz Shelton was taking plenty of losses before they showed up and convinced him he's too good to take pins from AEW guys
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u/Borktista everybody has a price 2d ago
It’s pretty clear they wanna put over GoA. MVP loves them. Hence why they were the ones to attack them. They will put them over and be out of AEW
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 2d ago
I don’t think it’s an accident they were the ones to win and Hurt Business still didn’t take the pin.
TK has put the correct narrative out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see them on TV again
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u/Basic_Mark_1719 2d ago
Jetspeed is not over at all despite the push. But Brodido is over and they are both big strong dudes. HS not wanting to do business for them should be the nail in the coffin for them. Cut them and let them go back to WWE to do jobs for the vision.
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u/Trumppered 2d ago edited 2d ago
Cut them and let them go back to WWE to do jobs for the vision.
jesus you guys are emotional lunatics lol
You want to cut 1 of the hottest acts in the company because... they didn't lose in the exact manner you wished they would lose...?
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u/Basic_Mark_1719 2d ago
If you read my post history you'd see that I'm a big fan of Hurt Syndicate but refusing to do jobs over and over again is just unprofessional. I even agreed with them not wanting to do a job to jetspeed and the bucks. But Jesus Christ having them do a triple threat match to get the titles off of them without getting pinned is nuts.
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u/Top_Vermicelli1739 2d ago
I don’t think WWE wants them back my friend.
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u/Basic_Mark_1719 2d ago
Exactly. These two have no leverage and are in the point of their careers where it's no longer about them but about the younger guys. I understand not wanting to put over Jetspeed, but not wanting to put over FTR and Brodido is unacceptable.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
We just dont know what is the true here. They dont want to put over Jetspeed but want to put over younger guys. But are not willing to take a pin to Brodido who are over and not "old guys" and are clearly over. And whats their beef with FTR? I highly doubt they can actually have one. But maybe Tony just has truly terrible booking and cant make up his mind.
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u/Charles0723 2d ago
You book them to take the pin or get them out of there.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
I say you may disagree with creative and the booker or may try to talk them into something else but if they want to to eat a pin then you do it.
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u/DanUnbreakable 2d ago
I got a feeling they will be benched
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
Lashley and Shelton? No way. Tony paid a shitton for Lashley and they are over. They look to be moving on to Ricochet and GOA and maybe Bobby with MJF.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
The Hurts and a fantastic tag team and are well recieved by fans reguardless of age by fans. I do think if Tony wants they to drop the belts then they do it. I do think Bobby needs to do singles matches more and especially now with Ospreay and Swerve out. Plus MVP made it clear Bobby had eyes on MJF. I dont think MJF vs Brisco is that compelling. I would think MVP,Bobby and Lashley would be cool with dropping the belts to either team considering their in ring talent especially FTR. Plus its not like they cant get those titles back down the line. Shelton could go for the TNT tile or something. The finish of the match was weak. Having other guys take a pin so you dont look bad is a thing in the business. I dont get it. It needs to die. They work together. Its pre determined. They trade wins and losses. These guys gotta get their egos in check.
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u/AdGroundbreaking1341 2d ago
I'm hoping it's just to set up a a one-on-one with Brodido. The classic "you may have won the belts, but you never pinned us." But yeah, they probably just didn't wanna take the pin.
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u/WaffleShoresy 2d ago
FTR is maybe one thing, but given how they regularly buried the shit out of people, they really should’ve taken the pin for a new team like Brodido
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u/luckysharms93 2d ago
FTR have regularly lost. They've put over Starks and Bill for the titles, lost to the Kingdom, King's of the Black Throne etc, made the Outrunners look like a million bucks and now putting Brodido over
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u/Bosscharacter 2d ago
Also put over The Gunns who prior to that were looked at as nothing but jokes.
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u/ThisIsKhrox 2d ago
I think when he said "they regularly buried the shit out of people" he was talking about Hurt Syndicate. Given how they absolutely buried Bryan Keith, kind of did JetSpeed dirty as well. There was no shot Outrunners were winning the AEW titles, so that one was fine.
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u/LosAngeles1s 2d ago
really funny how many people were trying to discredit that when MVP did the blog with Speedball
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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago
Didn’t MVP/THS say in an interview who they were willing to lose the titles to? I remember GoA was on that very short list. Maybe that’s why they attacked. Kicking off a program.
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u/RusserStinky 2d ago
I gotta respect it. Real wrestling mindset. Look beast. Be extremely over. Don’t take pins. Profit.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
I see what you mean but that can get you benched and not put on TV. If true its one thing of MVP to put his foot down as hes pretty much retires from in ring action. He can go and do mic work elsewhere. Bobby and Shelton will get booked poorly or not used at all. Plus if and if this is all true this stuff will follow MVP.
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u/Ojpaws 2d ago
I thought it was an elimination match?
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
That got thrown right out the window. I think this match bas a booking clusterfuck hours up until it happened. Might be why MVP decided not to go out there.
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u/MrTeapott Whatever 2d ago
I'm just here to see the comments about the Hurt Syndicate
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u/DarkBomberX 2d ago
I like the Hurt Syndicate. I dont like how protected they were as they should have put over Brodito. Interested what they do with them next.
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
Thats a problem in pro wrestling. Not wanting to put the other guy over when its time. Was the the issue here? We will see. Looks like Its Syndicate against Gates of Agony for a couple weeks.
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u/ClaymoresRevenge Bobby **Big Money Bob** Lashley 2d ago
They should've taken the pin. Maybe there'll be a 1 on 1 match where they put them over
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u/NerdLawyer55 In-House of Black Legal Counsel 2d ago
They have hurt feelings….they have hurt feelings 🎶
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u/BalladOfRageKage 2d ago
It's crazy how many posters here think they know exactly what's going on backstage and behind the scenes.
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u/JNF919 2d ago
I don't know exactly what's going on, but after they ended the MJF story completely out of nowhere after building it for months and now we have them losing the tag titles without getting pinned after all of the reports were how they didn't want to do jobs, it's hard to not connect some dots here.
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u/NostalgiaCory 2d ago
im stoned when was HS eliminated? this was an elim match right?
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u/MarcusFaze 2d ago
Hurt Syndicate didn’t take the pin, get written out of the match, MVP wasn’t there
Oof
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u/cavegrind 2d ago
The angle was a set up for Bobby vs MJF.
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u/gowrench 2d ago
Also possibly: one of the stips for the World Title match is that title changes hands on DQ right? Hurt Syndicate knows MJF went to Ricochet. Hurt Syndicate might beat MJF senseless and inadvertently give him the title.
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u/Suspicious-Mango-562 2d ago
MVP is a felon. Probably hard to travel to places like the UK with that on the books.
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u/lk79 BAAAAAM!!!! 2d ago
He’s travelled to the UK many times, for both wrestling and personal trips (the guy is a massive Man Utd fan).
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 2d ago edited 2d ago
Bandido boutta get his honorary giant poofy Hounds of Hell jacket.
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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago
Bandito an official member of the hounds of hell is something I didn’t know I needed til now. Yes pls.
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u/SoulExecution 1d ago
Imagine whenever Buddy gets back they basically just run Hounds as a new HoB, just with Bandido as the solo act who actually wins belts.
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u/heartbreakhill Alexa, play Superman by Goldfinger 2d ago
Rare case of striking while the iron was truly hot, Brodido are over as fuck right now
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u/Shinkopeshon 一番 2d ago
When I saw the Lion Mark track suits, I thought that was gonna be my dawg Yuto Ice but it was just that bald mfer and his cronies lol
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u/No_Librarian_4119 2d ago
I picture in kayfabe Tanahashi sitting back and getting stressed because members of his roster are interfering in a AEW title match, and had a sigh of relief when he learned it’s TK’s problem and not his
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u/masontopss 2d ago
we're not taking a pin. have us get kidnapped by ninjas
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u/Thewillow_tree 2d ago
Every time the Hurt Syndicate is about to lose from now on the match should be interfered with by increasingly outlandish run ins
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u/alaster101 ASSMAN! 2d ago
Fantastic match. As soon as I saw they fudged the ending a little bit I was like oh no
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u/TeamZiggler COWBOY ISH 2d ago
Wtf was that ending they ruined the pop 😭
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u/DarkBomberX 2d ago
Bandito wasnt the legal man. He was gonna switch with Brody but I guess the ref said fuck it.
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u/ThaUnderboss 2d ago
There's no way to watch that finish and NOT think the Hurt Syndicate didn't want to take a pin and got their way.
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u/FraserFir1409 2d ago
I mean if you want to look at it through certain lenses then sure. Hurt Syndicate are weaved into the MJF story, and the show isn't over so we didn't know where MJF's many working may go.
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u/AwareofAnaLucia 2d ago
Bittersweet for two reasons. I was loving the Hurt Syndicate as tag champions (maybe Lashley can go for the WHC against Hangman), and the 2nd reason is that despite really liking Bandido and Brody, I really wished that Brody could be a featured singles champion.
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u/K55G 2d ago
Have we learned nothing with the chair shots to the head.
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u/SadFeed63 2d ago
Don't let any wrestler fool you, they love that shit. Left to their own devices they'll all go for it, or find ways to get as close to a headshot as possible. Taking a brutal headshot used to be an idiotic badge of honour, and it likely still is. People would rather risk CTE than have a coworker or some fan call them a pussy.
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u/Mr-GameAndWrestling America's Champion 2d ago
Hilariously great match and I'm so happy Brodido got the belts.
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u/dogsontreadmills 2d ago
Hilariously good til it got hilariously overbooked unfortunately
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u/RelentlessJorts2 2d ago
Messy finish, took too long to get Hurt Syndicate out of there so there wasn't enough focus in the ring
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u/kakapantsu 2d ago
All of it made sense and people really want to attach themselves to fake news like “ex-WWE guys didn’t wanna take a pin” when in reality it’s “I didn’t pay attention to the buildup.”
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u/numbr87 2d ago
I feel so bad for Buddy Matthews in all this, it probably stings watching his partner skyrocket while he's at home nursing an injury
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u/SoulExecution 1d ago
I have to imagine Hounds were being set up for a big run and could possibly have found themselves in a similar position to Brodido now, so yeah big bummer for Matthews. But... salty Buddy vs Bandido for the RoH would go pretty hard.
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u/SIMBALLAH 2d ago
Man I would be really happy to see mvp and lashley go away so the focus could be put on Benjamin. He is easily the best acquisition out of the three Hurt Syndicate members.
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u/jplion123 2d ago
somewhat unfortunate ending but between how good the rest of the match was and the fact that Brodido won im honestly fine with it
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u/lito9321 2d ago
The ending was kind of a mess but right winners imo. The middle of the match during the suicide dives was awesome but slow beginning and messy finish.
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u/MercilessBlueShell First Place Destroyer 2d ago
Bit of a sloppy end to that one. I assumed the pin break-up was supposed to be stopped, but there was a late reaction to the cue.
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u/intersectv3 Jericho's from Winnipeg you idiot 2d ago
Someone else said Bandido wasn’t legal but the ref counted anyways
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u/Low-Donkey7059 2d ago
Didn't take the pin, got essentially written out the match & MVP wasn't there.
I'd be surprised we see them in any meaningful spot again. Feud with Ricochet & the Gates of Agony? Sure. Win another title? Doubt it. And nor should they if their going to refuse to do business.
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u/FearOfApples 2d ago
I am so happy Brodie is finally a champion. Guy deserves everything.
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u/CTParker14 BOLIEVE THAT 2d ago
It sucks that the messy finish will overshadow the match itself because it was the highlight of the show for me so far. Brody is a monster.
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u/psycho-batcat 2d ago
I blink and missed it. Did Hurt get eliminated? Wasn't this a elimination match?
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u/MarcusFaze 2d ago
Also why have Ricochet and Gates Of Agony dress up in NJPW tracksuits
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u/ParathaReddit Jade Cargill Simp 2d ago
Hired guns by MJF to get revenge on the Syndicate.
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u/MarcusFaze 2d ago
That doesn’t explain the tracksuits
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u/ParathaReddit Jade Cargill Simp 2d ago
I think the tracksuits are just a distraction. It’s a smart disguise given this is a collab PPV.
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u/Benfica1002 2d ago
Where was this inferred?
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u/Informal_Aspect_6330 2d ago
He worked with them this past Dynamite to kidnap Briscoe and almost set him on fire so it's not a big leap to think that them taking out the Hurt Syndicate, who MJF just had a falling out with, is connected.
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u/XiahouMao 2d ago
The commentators said it after they revealed themselves. Lashley had previously said that he was going to gun for MJF if he became world champion, so presumably MJF was nipping that in the bud.
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u/ChristmasCage 2d ago
Get Hurt Syndicate sent to the same shadow realm that Black and Miro were sent to.
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u/NewRoryAndMalDrop 2d ago
Everyone mad at Hurt Syndicate it taking the pin is just very obtuse. Bobby Lashley is beating MJF for the title. That was clear from the moment he signed and beat Swerve people. TK wants him to look strong and Shelton can take pins but this way it protects both for the feud
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u/ItsClarke17 shut up bitches 2d ago
Bandido and Brody have been my guys individually for years. This tag run is something I never imagined before. I'm so happy.
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u/RipTheVeins 2d ago
Enjoyed most of the match and very happy for the result, but the miscount (bandido wasn't legal, which is why it had to be restarted) is kinda overshadowing how unnecessary the chair shot was. Please don't do that , even if it's gimmicked, unless it's for a massive story pay off (hangman/swerve lights out). And even then it's iffy.
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u/No_Dealer2984 2d ago edited 2d ago
Listen, I'm not commenting on whether the Hurt Syndicate are or are not refusing to take pinfall losses, that absolutely could be true and I wouldn't be surprised. But what I will say is when you build up Shelton and especially Bobby as absolute killers and you set up a pretty natural three-way, why in gods name would you pin one of them? Especially when you can run it back at All Out while FTR are busy with the Cope and Christian feud. This feels like much to do about nothing in this specific situation.
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u/RushKicksOutAtOne 1d ago
I think there are a few things going on here and conversation is a little splintered but the way I see it is that the larger news item is not that THS took a protected loss (we knew that was coming) but that the stipulation seemingly changed last minute, which paints a bigger picture of backstage drama.
Plus the lack of MVP and whatever else is adding smoke for those looking for fire. It feels like something strange is going on beyond just protecting someone in a three-way.
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u/No_Dealer2984 1d ago
I don't know, I think assuming the stipulation changed last minute is a jump in and of itself. The booking called for FTR to be busy for a few weeks, Brodido got really REALLY hot really REALLY quick in a way I'm sure nobody expected, so actually getting to this point feels like a natural juggling act. Also, I'm not even sure what MVP's visa issues are at this point. He's had issues traveling off and on his entire career because of his background, it's genuinely possible he wasn't there because of bullshit laws from when he was incarcerated as a teenager.
I just can't help but feel that this isn't the smoking gun people think it is. Again, I wouldn't at all be surprised if Hurt Syndicate are politicking, but a three-way that was the result of keeping one team away from Adam and Christian and another team getting way hotter than I think Tony anticipated is a good enough explanation for this. If the Hurt Syndicate either wins the titles back at All Out or don't rechallenge at all, I'll believe it's related. But I do think we're making assumptions here that have plenty of other explanations.
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u/Ninjulian_ 2d ago
good match, but that ending was not just bad in execution, i also didn't like it in concept. way too convoluted.
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u/EcoterroristThot Stoking the flames of tribalism 2d ago
Hurt Syndicate dropping to a young team #myGOATS
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u/Pitfulldealer22 2d ago
May I ask what was the point of ricochet and gates of agony taking out the hurt syndicate. You could have had the out runners or private party doing the same and It wouldn’t have made a difference.
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u/FigureFourWoo Ric Flair was still cool when I chose this username. 2d ago
MJF? That’s the common denominator.
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u/blachippy 2d ago
Here comes the Hurt Business conspiracies…
The ending wasn’t that bad also.
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u/DCAbloob 2d ago
The Hurt Syndicate didn't take a fall despite it previously being promoted as an elimination match and MVP wasn't even there. I don't know if there's a fire but there is a hellava lot of smoke.
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u/Patient-Warning-4451 2d ago
Its worse when we knew that Tony has stated he says no to bad talent ideas.
So for some reason, Tony is just powerless when the Hurt Syndicate refuse to do something and has no control over them.
Lets not even get into if that leaker was purposedly trying to get heat on the Hurt Synicate because they hate how over they are.
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u/ParathaReddit Jade Cargill Simp 2d ago
I’ve been outta the Twitter and Reddit loop for a bit, been disabling Reddit on my phone at work lol.
Can someone explain to me how substantiated the rumors are of Hurt Syndicate not willing to be pinned?
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u/FigureFourWoo Ric Flair was still cool when I chose this username. 2d ago
It was a whole 2 day news blow up about MVP being difficult backstage in AE2z He didn’t like Speedball and didn’t want HS losing to FTR. The way they booked that match didn’t do anything to quell the rumors.
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u/TraNSlays 2d ago
people arent happy at the ending which is fair, i can see them running back bro vs ftr to get a clean finish sometime in the future
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u/DistinctYuho 2d ago
Was fully expecting FTR to take it, but damn so happy for Brodido. Both deserve it so much
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u/ParsnipPizza yay wrestling 2d ago
One of the most shamelessly protected losses ever. Good win for Brodido though, its a bit of a blind tag team but the styles mesh great!
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u/SpaceGooV 2d ago
This feels very much like a Dustin situation where the belts will end up on who we think it will soon but they shocked us at the PPV
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u/pokeboipvpmaster 2d ago
This match was goated live idk if it got censored but we were chanting cash has got a pew pew
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u/East-Weird824 2d ago
Look,MVP and Lashley and Shelton are pros and having been doing this for a long time. I really question the credibility to all this online creative control bullshit and how they don't want to take a pin. They know how this stuff works. But something is amiss here. I do see see a point on wanting to drop the belts to a younger team but but not if they don't like them? Then how in the fuck do they not accept taking a loss to FTR who are a professional team and very,very good in the ring. If anything I'd figured they would want to drop the belts to them. So which is it? I hear Bobby and Shelton are the nicest guys in the business. So refusing creative is very odd. MVP not being with his guys at the PPV with zero mention by commentary is bizzare. If it was a non issue they would have said so. I would think MVP would see Brodido is over with the fans and getting momentium and be cool with it. Im not sure what the fuck is going on.
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u/Stonewalled89 2d ago
A great match with a wird finish and a completely unnecessary chairshot to the head
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u/Emergency_Cod6103 2d ago
Just send their asses back to WWE at this point
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u/SkyFresh4010 2d ago
Papa Haitch doesn’t want them either. Maybe they should ring up Billy Corgan
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u/DrHuxleyy YouSonofabitch! 2d ago
Okay vote with your replies here everyone: was the ending supposed to be Brodido winning, or was FTR supposed to win after a successful pin breakup?
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u/MercilessBlueShell First Place Destroyer 2d ago
I think they were gonna win, but it was late timing to break the pin up.
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