r/SquaredCircle • u/DoubleNo6337 • 2d ago
[Forbidden Door Spoilers] Finish to MJF vs Hangman Adam Page Spoiler
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u/kyleisez 2d ago
Crowd was fire
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u/HorrayForDumplings GRENADE! 2d ago
Thanks we tried
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u/ThunderChild247 2d ago
That “Heeey hey Christian, I wanna know if you’ll be my Dad” chant sent me 😂😂😂
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u/GinngerMints KNEE!!!! TO... FACEEE!!!!! 2d ago
Are people really being this confused over the premise that if the bell doesn't ring, the match is not over.
Everybody seems to be all on board with the idea that the War Games matches don't officially begin until all participants have entered and then the bell finally rings.
Matches are called short via bell all the time, due to interference or what have you, and everybody knows that while the action doesn't stop, the match is officially over.
I know it wasn't in this specific clip, but people in the live thread didn't seem to understand.
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u/reverendkilljoy 2d ago
Exactly, matches have restarted before. I had no trouble following along and enjoyed it.
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u/_james_the_cat 2d ago
Its not even the most nonsensical MJF London main event finish we've seen in AEW.
And the first one with Cole was enjoyable as well.
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u/markflynn000 2d ago
People don't ever seem to understand the referees discretion thing either. That's one of my fave things about AEW and New Japan referees but people seem eager to yell dq at everything.
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u/zeitgeistbouncer Peepin' Aint Easy! 1d ago
Disingenuous chuds grasping at straws to fake having a point. Business as usual. Ignore and block them into the void as needed.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 2d ago
Maybe, I don't know but it was just a goofy moment, the bell doesn't ring but that's cos the ref crashes out after hitting 3 but that's not the actual issue.
The ref counts 3, hits the deck, comes round a minute later and calls something we know he didn't see.
The rest of the match was good and the other parts of the finish were fine but that bit was annoying nonsense, I've always been fine with the ref can only call what he sees logic.
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1d ago
He sees Hangman’s foot on the ropes when he “comes to” though? A bit overbooked sure but that has a place in wrestling at times. I think it worked really well here.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 1d ago
Right so how does he know it happened before the 3 count?
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1d ago
He made the call that it was, match is up to referees discretion.
Also, it happened to Briscoe last week, but he didn’t get to see it. It isn’t much of a stretch to think he found out about that and didn’t want it to happen again.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 1d ago
But that has no logic, a ref can only call what he sees, otherwise why didn't he just DQ MJF for the low blow, he seemed sure it had happened.
The ref clearly counts 3 and has no view of the foot on the rope.
The match didn't need this spot and if they really wanted to do it there were better ways to do it.
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1d ago edited 1d ago
He saw the foot on the rope. Yeah it was after the three count but the bell hadn’t rung so the match didn’t end, just like how if someone is attacked before a match starts the rules are off the table, and you know that because the bell hasn’t rung yet.
The match is at the referees discretion ultimately and this is what the referee decided.
I agree the spot could have been done a bit cleaner, but is it worth calling nonsense? I strongly feel it isn’t. Wrestling is a mostly unrehearsed live performance, sometimes things don’t come together perfectly and when things are serviceable why nitpick? Especially when this spot is more then serviceable.
Edit* also, this spot is so obviously going to be a talking point for MJF that is going to serve as a way to continue the feud in some form.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 1d ago
How long between counting 3 and seeing the foot was there?
It makes him a pretty bad ref, if he's just going to guess what might have happened.
The bell ringing also doesn't mean much, matches have been restarted after the bell has rung. While I agree the match didn't end, it was something that was clear in the moment as the smell of some bs started up.
But this was clearly what was booked. If they just had him see it has he hit the map for 3 and passed out, it would have been fine, MJF can still think he won and everything plays out the same.
My only issue is he didn't see it, seeing the foot well after doesn't matter.
I've also never been a fan of past spots involving the ref watching video or a second ref running down after to tell him he missed something, cos it creates an issue for every other time that doesn't happen.
I enjoyed the show overall, this is just something that annoys me and I don't think it needs to be given a pass. If I was moaning about the gummy bear spot then I could see why the reaction would exist as that was a bit of fun.
But this a title match and you have the top ref guessing.
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1d ago
I think for me it ultimately comes down to MJF was the opponent in the match, someone who just benefited from this last week and constantly breaks the rules. Yeah in the court of law Bryce didn’t have proof beyond the shadow of a doubt, but again, refs discretion and all.
Ultimately this may just be a taste thing but I don’t only think this spot was passable, I really enjoyed it. MJF didn’t get away with MJF shenanigans. If stuff like this happens sparingly (I can’t even remember the last time something like this happened) I’m more than ok with it.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 1d ago
He had zero proof that it happened during the 3 count though.
I agree it might just be a taste thing, although I have a high tolerance for fuckery in wrestling, I just need it to make a little sense.
At least it was a very good show.
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u/DisMFer 2d ago
This sort of ending is exactly how WWF got SCSA over. He was a total badass who always got one over on the Heels. He never was the first to cheat but if the Heels cheated he'd cheat right back when the ref's back was turned because he wasn't some dumbass who'd let everyone walk all over him in the name of morals.
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u/Maximum-Summer-186 2d ago
lmao "some dumbass" who does things "in the name of morals". I'm laughing too hard to even bother talking about what morality and personal sacrifice is, please just carry on. tell us about some dumbasses who rep the name of John Morals instead of cheating like us smart kids.
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u/JustdoitJules 2d ago
You people see that? A smart champion. See that, THAT'S how you fucking get your face over.
Dumb face champions < Smart Face Champions. This is what the audience wants. We WANT to see our heroes overcome the odds even as champions.
In this scenario a DQ or a Countout is automatically a win for the world title, and Hangman does it, but he's smart about it. Perfect and now it gives Max a chance to continue this feud.
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u/imcrapyall 2d ago
Can't agree more Excalibur, I'm so glad the champ is smart, that's the point of keeping a face over. Not to mention that his previous promo when MJF called him Seabiscuit out of his smarmy smugness and Hangman rightfully points out how Seabiscuit wins, its those little things that tells you, that's why he's the champ right now.
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u/lucasd11 2d ago
But don't you know? Our heroes are always supposed to be aloof and seemingly not understand any of the rules or stipulations as good guys and leave themselves vulnerable for the dirty heel tactics! /S but all jokes aside it really is refreshing to see Hangman as a sensible face champion.
The only time we tend to see anything like it is your anti-hero types (old school Austin or more recently Swerve type gimmicks) or the heel champion that's loved and get cheered as a face anyway
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u/outofmaxx 2d ago
I think some people are just stupid. the match doesn't end until the bell rings, its extremely simple. People cry overbooked or "too much," but im an idiot with ADHD, if I can follow, anybody can.
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u/basedmartyr 2013, Year of the Otunga 2d ago
They're doing things right for Hangman, and I'm so happy for it.
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u/wqeqsq 2d ago
I figured that Hangman would win since MJF still has the cash-in title clause. I think they're going to build up the fued so when MJF wins,it will matter more. Great match.
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u/Independent-Green383 2d ago
This guy idiots correctly. I mean that in the most positive sense possible.
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u/schoolairplane Cuba Gooding III 2d ago
Jesus Christ just have fun with it. This subreddit is too fucking much sometimes
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u/apolloschariot 2d ago
idk I get what people are saying about the three count being clunky but it really didn't bother me that much, thought all the shenanigans built up well and paid off with Hangman overcoming it all and turning it around on MJF. I was really into it
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u/EndOfDays2525 2d ago
That's exactly how I feel. Had Hangman lost, I'd feel differently. But MJF was trying some elite level of cheating and Hangman survived it all. The crowd ate it up too. The moment before he hits the buckshot is a great relief pop, as we all know he's about to win.
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 2d ago
What a great sell on the Buckshot.
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u/HatchettheFly 2d ago
You mean that very standard back bump?
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u/YellowBelliedCoward 2d ago
I thought the angle he took it at was perfect for the move. It looked real. Too many over-sell it.
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u/BogeyBogeyBogey 2d ago
MJF won that match twice and the only reason he lost is by Hangman doing the same thing Max does all the time - cheat.
Max, again, proves (to himself) that if Hangman does it everything is OK.
The inevitable cash-in and title win from MJF is going to have him go fucking crazy with the "fuck you, Hangman. I'm better than you" celebration.
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u/DM7000 1d ago
The contract rules changed and now it must be a match set up at least one week prior. So there's not gonna be a cash in from nowhere
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u/BogeyBogeyBogey 1d ago
Which will only piss him off more. He attempted to get out of his original deal to have a backup and now he's stuck in a situation where it has to be a "fair fight". Granted, he can do massive damage before signing the week prior, but it won't be out of nowhere.
MJF is having a bad 24 hours.
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u/BogeyBogeyBogey 2d ago
The previous week MJF paid Ricochet and Gates of Agony to abduct Mark Briscoe. Upon getting Briscoe, he threatened harm onto Mark Briscoe, a man Hangman respects immensely, if Hangman didn't give into MJF's demands.
MJF demanded that the match have rules changes. The title could change hands on a DQ or a count out. He also demanded that Hangman give him the match without forcing him to sign the cash-in contract and use it for the match.
Hangman gave in to MJF on all 3 demands to save Mark Briscoe. In doing so, MJF still has a cash-in contract.
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u/ArgieGrit01 Hangman mark, like any good person 1d ago
Guess MJF will carry that contract for a while, because Hangman fucking TATTOOED that shit on his forehead
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u/HitmanClark 2d ago
This is fun pro wrestling to me. No screwdrivers or torture porn needed. Awesome finish, IMO, that makes Hangman look like a rare smart babyface champion.
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u/crion_jb 2d ago
Great match, good finish. You could have gotten to the same point by doing much, much less, but that's not what this promotion is about.
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u/tdmatchasin 2d ago
Hangman seems very much like a "sure I'm up for whatever" type of wrestler, and I feel like that has its positives and negatives.
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u/nefariousmonkey Good Job Hanger Proud of You 2d ago
Don't you dare and suggest that Hangman has ever done anything wrong.
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u/DayMurky617 2d ago
This is a GOAT r/SC post imo.
Is this the wrestling promotion we want? No. Is this the wrestling promotion we need? Kinda. Is this the wrestling promotion that's absolutely consistent in its fun-but-sometimes-kinda-garbage conception of wrestling? You betcha.
Pass the bag Tony, I'm in.
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u/Bigalbass86 2d ago
Wacky stuff aside, it clearly worked as the crowd was on fire for it. Great match, and the right guy won.
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u/DoubleHelicopter3072 2d ago
Yeah, the whole thing just seemed too much, and overblown. They could have got to the same point by doing much, much less.
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u/ScroteMcGrote69 2d ago
Great finish honestly. Really didn't need the Briscoe run in IMO but whatever. Amazing match.
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u/Zestyclose-Fee6719 2d ago
You absolutely needed the Briscoe run-in. A babyface is dead if they don't get payback on the heel. Briscoe lost the big Dynamite one on one match and then nearly got set on fire (ugh). He needed to get some heat on him finally, or else we'd have another Zack Ryder/Kane situation on our hands.
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u/Hiemoth 2d ago
This was one of the many occasions where I just couldn't comprehend what TK was thinking while putting this finish together.
Not only was it bafflingly convoluted, but it was messed up in a way that made it more confusing than anything. Like apparently the three count isn't final?
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u/bluejegus 2d ago
Unless the ref calls for the bell no the 3 count isn't the end of the match. Watch any other match on the show and you will see the ref motion to the ringbell crew after the finish of every match. The bell starts and ends a match. It's the same as when a heel beats the shit out of a baby face with a chair before a match officially starts even though they're in the ring and ready.
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u/ValleyFloydJam 2d ago
Right but it's a foregone conclusion moment, the three happens and the bell is called for,
Here we have a 3 count and the ref didn't see the foot on the rope until an age after, it made no real sense. Are people defending it this hard cos it's AEW, which is a great promotion but can have issues with endings or did they genuinely don't mind this moment that makes no sense.
The rest of it was good, it would have been better without it or the ref just spotting it as the hand hit the mat, MJF goes and celebrates then reacts to the foot as he turns around.
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u/Shady_Ozark 2d ago
I felt it was a really unique ending. It seemed a bit off at first, but then I ended up enjoying it!
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u/viralbop 2d ago
Yeah, I had a lot of fun with it, and the crowd reaction spoke volumes about how well-received it was.
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u/DrKluge THE MILKMAN 2d ago edited 2d ago
The referee still has to call for the bell. It's uncommon but there's been times where a referee counts to three and then sees the foot on the rope so the match continues, granted this one is Bryce passing out being the reason he doesn't call for the bell. It's a little too extra for my taste but whatever.
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u/harrier1215 Your Text Here 2d ago
MJF needs to lose the feud and the title scene needs to continue with Hangman and others.
MJF with the title is not the money this sub thinks it is.
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u/TerribleAtNames81 2d ago
Great match. Don’t need Tony screaming “what a moment” during it. I know it’s a small Thing but damn am I having trouble listening to him nowadays.
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u/Zestyclose-Fee6719 2d ago
I agree. I believe the second you announce what the feeling is that a moment is generating, it automatically dilutes it a bit. It brings it to the foreground of consciousness and makes it less raw as a result. It would be like sharing a moment with your lover when you're staring each other in the eyes and suddenly remarking, "This is really romantic."
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u/TerribleAtNames81 2d ago
And noticing it, it opens the floodgates when listening to Tony on the broadcasts
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u/No_Yogurtcloset4861 1d ago
MJF’s booking has been garbage since he came back last year. Tiny Khan’s specialty though is ruining a star’s stock.
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u/eddie_vercetti 2d ago
Ending was messy but not the worst.
Just man, they could have planned it better.
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u/StacksHoodini 2d ago
What’s the kayfabe reason why, after being hit with a guitar full force into his head and then being given whatever variation of a piledriver that is, that Max would then be able to stand up so fast to be in place for Hangman’s buckshot lariat?
Maybe the lariat should come before the piledriver.
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u/regularhumanbartendr 2d ago
I'll just never like a clothesline from a smaller dude as a finisher. It's even worse now that Logan Paul started doing it.
Other than that, this was my favorite match of the night - enjoy both these dudes
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u/eyebrowless32 2d ago
Great match for the sickos until the ending when it became stupid "entertainment" nonsense
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u/BurtHurtmanHurtz 2d ago
MJF should be on a two year title reign and he’s losing to this jabroni w/ a finish consumed by fuckery
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