r/StrangeNewWorlds • u/LadyMarjanne • Aug 08 '25

Theory Some Screenshots of the Vezda (and other relevant screenshots)

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Based on the way they look, I would say that the Vezda and the Gorn (Cali-katchna?) have same ancestors, but they both percieve time differently. The prison, then, would be of ancient Gorn architecture.

Or like Q are to humans, Vezda are to the Gorn.

Also typed out what N'Jal says to Spock

"Tika-mak chan tario pik-tah
Vika, chan tario tah.

Eek lok to, ma vika tario."

"My people have a deep desire.
We wish to know the core of our being.

What is N'Jal's species have to do with them? Maybe they just happened to evolve at the same planet at the Vezda's prison.

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u/kristopherjhoff Aug 08 '25

I noticed that the Vezda had access to Gamble's mind, but it knew about Rukiya even though Gamble did not. Not sure what to make of that, just an observation.

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u/Dose_of_Reality Aug 08 '25

Same with knowing the name and manner of death of that guard’s mother when he was in the brig.

It suggests an omnipotence or telepathy beyond their corporeal host.

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u/FIREgenomics Aug 08 '25

Yet it needed the command codes to be given....curious

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u/thecoldfuzz Aug 08 '25

If the Vezda were telepathic—which seems very likely given how it knew about Rukiya—then Pelia could have shielded her thoughts, or the Vezda can't read the thoughts of Lanthanites. Hopefully, we'll get some exploration of this.

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u/JohnSmallBerries Aug 08 '25

It could also be that while they can read surface thoughts of being they're not inhabiting, they don't have the ability to go digging for specific information without actually taking physical possession of the brain. (Which would then raise the question of why it didn't just trade up its body for one which did have the command codes).

So you're right, there does need to be more exploration, if they're not just a one-off alien of the week.

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u/200brews2009 Aug 09 '25

I like this. Kinda like they can sense distressful emotions and can prey on those specific thoughts but don’t have the ability to probe deep into others minds outside of those volatile thoughts.

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u/joeyfergie Aug 10 '25

Both of the cases had to do with death. M'Benga's daughter (who, for is kinda technically dead) and the guard's mother.

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u/200brews2009 Aug 10 '25

So maybe the entity has an image awareness of death and who has died and their relations to living creatures? Which might make the entity a kind of avatar of death then?

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u/joeyfergie Aug 10 '25

That's the impression that I got. Especially with Pelia's speech and Batel's reaction. What else can cause two different species such a similar response?

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u/conservative89436 Aug 12 '25

Maybe they could read thoughts with a lot of emotion behind them. The command codes aren’t racy enough to qualify, particularly with a 3000 year old “child”.

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u/ithinkihadeight Aug 08 '25

Same with the guard, it was taunting him in the voice of his dead wife, and it identified Pelia as a Lanthanite. It for sure Knows Things

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u/Cjgraham3589 Aug 09 '25

Well, it’ll definitely be back with how they set it up lol. I’m sure we may find out.

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u/vipck83 Aug 09 '25

He seemed to have some sort of telepathy.

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u/Unfair-Advice778 Aug 10 '25

Seeing how they are quantic beings may it be that they knowledge of things is from the other quantum states they are able to perceive? As opposed to "simple" telepathy.

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u/vipck83 Aug 10 '25

Maybe….. is that how the Q work?

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u/elmerg Aug 11 '25

Trelane did say Vadia IX was the 'old homeworld' so maybe they're trying to set up an origin of the Q? Q are dimensional, immortal beings, so in becoming their current state they FAFO and oops the Vezda into this dimension?

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u/vipck83 Aug 11 '25

Did he? I must have missed that. Okay, Memory Alpha says that Vadia IV was the original Q homeword and I was wondering where they got that. So that basically confirms that prison was made by proto Q. Interesting

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u/Leaf-TailedGecko 25d ago

I assumed it was because Gamble was connected to the machines in sick bay (through the goggles that were supposed to regenerate his eyes) and from there the Vezda saw the machines "memories" of Rukiya. That's also why I think the machine in sick bay was glitching at the very end of the episode.

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u/Simphilusss 8d ago

If it’s extra dimensional it would see the entire history of whatever place it’s in all at once. So it knew probably knew who Rukiya was because Doc spoke to her in med bay before. But it seems selective of what knowledge it gets because it didn’t know Gorn woman was going to enter the room. So not omnipotence but the ability to parse any individual moment from the history of a space alone with the history of someone’s thoughts

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u/Wickedbitchoftheuk Aug 08 '25

I thought it was just recognising the Gorn.

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u/jamesdkirk Aug 08 '25

Second that. But now second guessing that!

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u/joszma Aug 09 '25

I thought that maybe there’s a Vezda in Batel, because I remember there being a moment during Spock’s mind meld with her where they use the same creature in a quick jump scare.

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u/Wickedbitchoftheuk Aug 09 '25

I thought that was a Gorn too.

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u/Unfair-Advice778 Aug 10 '25

I did think it was like gorn's child. But now that they have identified it as vezda it's apparent that either it wasn't or this junp scare was a manifestation of even a gorn being tortured and disturbed by that creature during it's own invasion of a human body.

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u/Kalthiria_Shines Aug 11 '25

Gorn being manipulated by an escaped Vezdah might help explain the way their characterization apparently changes post-SNW.

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u/Hungry-Place-3843 28d ago

That or if theyre not children of the original life seeders like so many other, the Gorn may have run into them before and have a genetic hatred

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u/LadyMarjanne Aug 09 '25

Could be, but it seemed like Vezda and the Gorn use the same language?

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u/kkkan2020 Aug 08 '25

There have been so many energy beings in trek.

These remind me of those things from tng power play

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u/Real-Leadership3976 Aug 08 '25

That was my thought. Prison planet and all.

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u/astro_baris Aug 10 '25

I re-watched it today. They are alike. Maybe they take inspiration from Power Play.

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u/Solumnist Aug 11 '25

I was thinking of the Pah Wraiths

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u/Kalthiria_Shines Aug 11 '25

I don't recall those being a-temporal though?

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u/Global-Hunter-805 16d ago

It kind of gave me Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade vibes with the disappearing bridge and the different puzzles and the whole Fountain of Youth thing.

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u/WideSnooze Aug 09 '25

I can’t see it too well, I better get it closer to my eyes…

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u/phoenixrose2 Aug 08 '25

I’m really weirded out by the orb that Spock inspected. I know he will be okay in the end because of timeline reasons, but the mindmeld with the Captain left him with some aspect of the Gorn in him.

I do like your theory, OP, of the Gorn imprisoning them. It makes the Gorn race more nuanced. But to me it looked like Spock saw an imprisoned Gorn. I wonder if that’s just a reflection of the Gorn aspect he now has within.

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u/LadyMarjanne Aug 09 '25

The first screenshot is from the orb Spock saw- it doesn't look like the Gorn to me, especially tbeir teeth.

Also great hypothesis about the Gorn reflection. Curiouser and curiouser

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u/Unfair-Advice778 Aug 10 '25

I'd also say that while emerging from ensign's body the creature maintained a avery similar silhouette to the one on the screenshot. Which would 100% not be connected to gorn in any way.

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u/Gnr2525 Aug 10 '25

I wonder if since Vezda are non-corporeal that the orb showed Spock something dangerous that he feared. So seeing Gorn was just a physical image of something he could understand.

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u/linkerjpatrick Aug 08 '25

One version or view we saw of the Q was 3 snakes on an orb

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u/jeobleo Aug 09 '25

Wasn't that an altairian serpent or something?

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u/linkerjpatrick Aug 09 '25

Have no idea 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/CandystarManx Aug 08 '25

They’re so evil that even the gorn fear them! Thats pretty neat!

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u/lucasbuzek Aug 08 '25

So pah wraiths?

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u/LadyMarjanne Aug 08 '25

I don't think it is pah wraiths specifically because of the Vezda's connection to the Gorn.

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u/FJCReaperChief Aug 08 '25

That was my thought, too. Either pah just means ghost/spirit (or evil) in other languages or it is pah wraiths.

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u/Algolvega Aug 09 '25

I thought that at first but when I saw what they looked like I wondered if they were the nucleogenic beings from Voyager that the USS Equinox used as fuel.

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u/Travyplx Aug 10 '25

This is what I was thinking as well. Would be interesting to bring the Q/prophet/pah-wraith war (and Avery Brooks!) from beta canon into this season.

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u/pharlock Aug 11 '25

pah wraiths are the same beings as the prophets but with opposing philosophies and were cast out and imprision in the fire caves.

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u/lucasbuzek Aug 11 '25

They also had nonlinear time

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u/Ok-Primary6610 Aug 08 '25

Exactly what I was thinking. Why not make them the Pah Wraiths?!

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u/warp-core-breach Aug 08 '25

Because the show is called Strange NEW Worlds not Rehashing Old Shows.

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u/Ok-Primary6610 Aug 08 '25

This show was always rehashing old shows. The powers that be already admitted that they made this show the best of trek episodes, rewritten to fit the scenario and characters. SNW is just in name only.

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u/the_speeding_train Aug 09 '25

They couldn’t call it As The Worlds Turn, so….

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u/Kalthiria_Shines Aug 11 '25

More likely they'd be a separate faction?

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u/geforce2187 Aug 08 '25

Other people have probably pointed this out now, but the vision of the "Gorn" during Spock's mind meld in Episode 3 that caused him to scream was actually the Vezda

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u/joeyfergie Aug 10 '25

That connects to why Batel had such a switch, the Gorn likely have an instinctual nature to hunt and kill these beings for some reason. It's what prevents them from seeing reason or treating others with kindness.

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u/Professional-Bug4046 Aug 09 '25

I honestly thought that what Spock saw in the orb was a vision of the Gorn beebee from before... Like a lingering effect from the mind meld, possibly extracted from his mind by the malevolent entity (Vezda) within as a scare tactic.

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u/Gnr2525 Aug 10 '25

Yeah, a visual representation of something dangerous that Spock could understand.

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u/Raleldor_Jax Aug 08 '25

I was thinking they were the ophidians from tng, then pah wraiths.. I don't know..

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u/azssf Aug 09 '25

I thought Batel was speaking something older than Gorn— that the way the dna has been melded let something come out instinctually when seeing an ancient foe.

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u/vipck83 Aug 09 '25

Well it’s indicated these creatures were a byproduct of another race achieving immortality. They came from another dimension and were impressed by who ever made that structure. I don’t think it’s the Gorn that did that, there has been some suggestion it was the Q, this is how they achieved a high level, but I don’t think that’s right. I don’t know, they clearly have some relation to the Gorn, maybe the Gorn were developed to hunt these things.

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u/Qorazon 14d ago

I thought this episode was their scifi take on the supernatural my guess is it’s an ancient hell prison but I hope they expand on this because they clearly have some relation to the gorn!