/r/incels has been banned. Discuss this happening here!

[u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK]

I'll fill this up with drama as it unfolds.

/r/drama thread

/r/subredditcancer thread, including an explicit entreaty for the former users to join the alt right for some reason?

One user advertised r/incelspurgatory in the thread you removed. Admins were already on point, because they've banned it just ~11 minutes ago. Sub lasted about 10 hours last I checked.

r/AgainstHateSubreddits thread

/r/MGTOW thread

/r/thebluepill thread

New sub: /r/IncelsWithoutHate

Meanwhile on Voat

Undelete thread

Circlebroke thread

[u/SnoodDood]

I feel very similarly, and I'm so glad I changed a lot as a person before finding out about that sub.

The thing that I think people don't bring up enough when they say this "care about yourself, have confidence, etc." kind of stuff is that it still doesn't erase the fact that no one owes you sex or romance at all. Things like exercise and getting out more and changing one's attitude about women may definitely help one's chances, but the ultimately there's an intangible element of luck - being in the right place at the right time, having the perfect thing come to your head in the right moment, running into someone you have a chance with when you actually have the social energy to capitalize on it, etc. etc.

The truth is, self-care, exercise, cleanliness, being sociable and having a loving attitude toward other people is its own reward. I think all these suggestions people have should take that approach to it, because if you're only doing it for romantic attention then all you're doing is spreading your chips out on the roulette table.

[u/curiousermonk → u/SnoodDood]

Whenever I read advice like that, I'm keenly aware of the common cognitive error of attributing to character things which are actually more connected to chance and circumstance.

Always, people like to congratulate themselves for things they did not earn.

[u/noahboah → u/curiousermonk]

Sure, but at the same time improving yourself and being a better, more wholesome person improves the chances and odds in your favor.

If you work out (hell...this isn't even "slim down" -- you'd be amazed what exercising can do to your appearance even if the scale isn't saying different) and you open up a billion more options and avenues for finding fulfilling relationships, almost in an indirect way.

Improving yourself constantly improves on those infinitesimal "advantages" and increases your odds.

[u/curiousermonk → u/noahboah]

Now that I re-read your post, I think the difference is...."if you're already in the range of normal human physicality, working out will open up a billion more options for you." I think that's absolutely true. But becoming an Olympic athlete wouldn't make me taller, and if you're not taller than a woman, by an overwhelming majority she'll be your friend, (I've had lots of women friends, and still do), but she'll never, ever date you. I imagine the same is true for the physically handicapped, for the physically disfigured, and for the just plain ugly.

For us, it's a good thing being healthy is its own reward.