r/TheDragonPrince • u/ZymZymZym777 • 28d ago
Discussion What do you think of the lesbian wedding?
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u/The-Grim-Sleeper Lujanne 28d ago
I liked it, but I would like to have seen more of the relationship develop from "she's not my girlfriend, she is my prisoner" to "She's not my girlfriend, she is my wife".
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u/MasterCheese163 Star 28d ago
It was fine, I guess?
But, like a lot of things in this show, their relationship felt rather underbaked and just... not very convincing?
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u/Militantpoet 28d ago
Honestly, Idk why they love each other outside of fighting made them horny.
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u/NaiadoftheSea Human Rayla 28d ago
We did miss 2 years of them getting closer.
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u/Militantpoet 28d ago
Yeah they went from possible shipping at the end of S3 to getting engaged in S4. Imo if you want the audience to care about relationships, you need to show them the relationship.
It felt like theirs was just so they could have a contrived conflict between sun-elves and humans.
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u/L_knight316 Alchemy By Any Other Name 27d ago
Understandable from a realistic perspective, not really from an audience one with how prominent it was
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u/NaiadoftheSea Human Rayla 27d ago
I’m surprised they didn’t at least make a comic about them considering how prominent their story was in arc 2.
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u/Logical-Patience-397 26d ago
They made a short story about them, and how Janai always carries healing salve because she feels bad about burning Amaya's hands (especially since she relies on her hands to sign).
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 24d ago
Nothing says I love you like burning your future wife's hands.
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u/TeaTimeTelevision 27d ago
But at least we got a season long plot about some Karen putting a candle out!
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u/ZymZymZym777 27d ago
They both saw that even though they're enemies they're pretty decent people? Amaya saved Janai's life even if she didn't really have to. Then Janai paid her back by asking Khessa to treat her nicer. I can see them developing trust for each other there. It's certainly what made me like Janai anyway. Then they both fought on the same side... They're a lot like rayllum really.
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u/Militantpoet 27d ago
Is that enough for a full on romance plot? Realizing the other side arent monsters? They treated each other with respect, which is the bare minimum of being a decent person. Thats fine for setting up a relationship, but its still far from full out romance.
They're a lot like rayllum really.
We saw Callum and Rayla learn to trust each other, work together, grow fond of each other, and eventually fell in love. Theyre both goof balls that are passionate about their moral convictions.
Im not denying theyre in love, but when you go from "oh theyre friends now" to "congratulations on your engagement", its a little jarring without context. So I guess it is kind of like Raylum in that sense too.
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u/ZymZymZym777 27d ago
I'm not talking about their engagement, only pretty much up until the part where Amaya signs, "she likes me but she won't admit it yet" back in season 3 (there were no subtitles for it and most people don't know that she said it but it was there).
We saw Callum and Rayla learn to trust each other, work together, grow fond of each other, and eventually fell in love
They had more screentime than the lesbians..
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u/Oapekay Sky 28d ago edited 27d ago
Conceptually, absolutely fine. But the relationship felt hollow and the entire arc with the Sunfire Elves hogged too much screen time, especially as it was seemingly just a way to get Sol Regem into a position for Aaravos to kill him , which could have been done in a far more efficient manner.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Amaya 27d ago
And to get The Pearl to Claudia
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u/Oapekay Sky 27d ago
Only seen season 6 once, but I’m still a little unclear how that one even panned out. Was it just good fortune for Claudia?
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Amaya 27d ago
Kinda? Aaravos had his fingers in many pies, with a little bit of luck sprinkles on top
He made sure it stayed in Katolis, and then had it destroyed
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u/GustavVaz 28d ago
Not gonna lie. I was kind of over it with all the other drama going on. At some point, i was like, "Just get this wedding over with already"
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Amaya 27d ago
I disliked how passive Amaya became in S4 onwards
Just standing there while the elves talk about wanting to execute an architect that's there to help them?
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u/Joueur-en-jaune 27d ago
Would bet this whole plot was in part due to an unexpected blow up of Amaya in popularity ; and ot having really planned anything with her tied to the main Aaravos plot...
Litteraly went from authority figure wit plotpoints fonction in the first seasons to "I guess we can have her marry the sun elves queen and do supportive dialogue in ordre to do the exosition about this plot conflicts".12
u/RP_Throwaway3 27d ago
Yeah, this really makes me sad. Amaya was such a cool character at the beginning and then...nothing.
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u/nyafff 27d ago
Well, the architect built a camp for fire people without safety protocols for fire
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Amaya 27d ago
I mean it's illogical they'd been there nearly a year and never communicated before
The whole plotline was bananas dumb
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u/thedomo619 28d ago
Didn’t really feel flushed out. Most marriages in shows are a big thing. This was like “…well okay they’re married now”
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u/AuRon_The_Grey 27d ago
Would have been nice to see more of their relationship development but they’re a cute couple.
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u/Overkillsamurai 28d ago
all wedding plotlines in media are needlessly long and drawn out (except Game of Thrones)
this romance was cute tho. her learning ASL was adorable
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u/Loros_Silvers 27d ago
They even named the whole affair the red wedding in this show as well. I was legitimately hoping for these characters to die because they gave me hope for any characters to die after three seasons with the characters coming out of everything mostly unharmed.
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u/Overkillsamurai 27d ago
Aunt Amaya is one of my top 3 characters so i hope not. i'm kinda losing hope we'll have any big character deaths; we're too far into the series now
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u/Loros_Silvers 27d ago
The closest thing we had to major character death was Claudia's leg getting cut off (this was before Viren's death) so I thought "Oh my, Aaravos is manipulating this entire Karim plot to hurt the elf-human relationship, and killing Amaya is going to make the characters fighting him more emotional.
I hoped SOMEONE died. Viren was not on my mind for this, and his death felt a lot more hollow after realizing the wedding served as a fakeout for him.
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 21d ago
We had character deaths but nobody who was always totally good has died yet except side charecter Ibis.
Even akiyu tried to kill the heroes first.
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u/Sad-Significance8045 27d ago
On one hand I love some LBGT+ representatin.
On the other hand it plays into the "2nd date is a moving truck"-lesbian stereotype.
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u/Joueur-en-jaune 27d ago
you're so right lmfao.
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 21d ago
Look how they are dressed. Amaya is clearly the male while Janai is the female of the relationship. It's the stereotypical view of every lesbian marriage.
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u/Alternative_Lime_13 27d ago
It's two girls getting married what's the big deal? My biggest problem was how they went from enemies to girlfriends in no time at all.
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 21d ago
" Hey hun, remember that time you put my soilders in the lava? "
Yeah, I could never marry my former enemy even if we became allies.
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u/fretfulferret 27d ago
I liked it, it was cute. Wish we had seen more of the enemies-to-lovers development.
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 27d ago
Gay or straight I'm tired if the enemies to lovers trope.
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u/AdOtherwise299 27d ago
I think that some discussion of their VASTLY different cultures would have been interesting, in fact crucial, since Janai isn't some random Sunfire Elf, she's a queen.
Their engagement starts with a miscommunication over their cultures, which sets the tone for the show being like "THEY HAVE DIFFERENCES" but not setting things up ahead of time.
And like it or not, Janai and Amaya are enemies to lovers, they personally have likely been responsible for the deaths of each other's people. You don't think that some of that dynamic deserved to be shown on screen?
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u/BlazingKitsune Bait 27d ago
The problem isn’t the trope it’s the poor execution. The point of the trope is seeing them be enemies and slowly fall in love in spite of that. Not enemies timeskip marriage. Not mildly dislike to horny smut. The journey is the point! The majority of what gets marketed as enemies to lovers nowadays is either abusive or not enemies to lovers in the first place, and it’s why so many people hate the trope.
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u/ZymZymZym777 27d ago
I'm not a fan either but I don't hate it as much as I could. There's that at least
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u/Papugoji 27d ago
It made me question even more how Xadia is run.
Just like Duren's queens.
Like, how do monarchical succesions even work here?
Under this logic, Callum could be king.
This feels like a huge hole in the world that should be filled.
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u/ZymZymZym777 27d ago
Humans can use dark magic, so it's not a problem for them. I cannot however immediately think of a way to make a baby with a primal magic spell, so how do they go about it? Runaan and Ethari for example didn't have any kids of their own and adopted Rayla...
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u/Papugoji 27d ago
Are you suggesting that Aanya is a product of dark magic?
Bro....
That is such a SICK idea!
That could give her a lot more character depth!
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 21d ago
A writer said that 2 females in this universe "can have a baby" in a tweet. Of course that may get retconed since Arc 3 will be "adult".
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 21d ago
Well it seems that everything is now being replaced by a unified democracy of Evrkynd.
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u/Ok_Influence9147 27d ago
Idk it was… fine?? That’s kinda how I feel about their relationship as well. I feel like we didn’t really get to see enough of them together to get invested.
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u/Common-Confidence-29 27d ago
I liked it, but I feel like they shouldn't have had the title reference Game of Thrones since they weren't going to make the wedding into a dark event (or at least a pretty dark one).
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u/AmethystTanwen 27d ago
Cute. Lacked depth. Like much of the show lol. But I love them in theory and read it watch something that just focused on the development of their relation. I love lesbians.
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u/ChildofFenris1 27d ago
Definitely, it would be cool if they released something that take place during the time skip.
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u/JoJomusk 27d ago
It would have been a really nice story if it wasnt on this specific show and season.
Like, i would watch this as like, a rom com or somth
But in those seasons, all i cared abt was Aaravos and the group. Everytime the couple showed up, i was like "can yall do this another time?"
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u/PuzzleheadedNotice7 Star 27d ago
Enemies to lovers way too quick, Forced and unimportant, And that ‘suit’ is fucking hideous dear lord
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u/starfire92 28d ago
The relationship felt like checking off a diversity box so that they had at least some queer representation and became a bigger distraction. They should have written the relationship better, it doesn’t need to appeal to everyone but at least we could find some connection between the two of them except strong lady like likes silent strong lady.
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u/xkeepitquietx 27d ago
They did a better job at an actual queer relationship with Ethari and Runaan. It just felt like they half assed this one.
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u/Damascus_ari Sun 27d ago
I like the characters and the pairing, but they didn't do much interesting with it.
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u/AdOtherwise299 27d ago
Way too much focus for too little payoff, every time they cut back it was just taking focus away from more interesting things, I also kind of hate that they can take a break from the wedding, fight an entire battle/arrange their whole army then just jump back to the wedding.
I like that they thought about some of the kickback from a queen marrying a human with a whole other culture, but I disliked that they portrayed the only guy who had what I thought were pretty legitimate issues as a raving lunatic. Furthermore, we don't know enough about Sunfire culture for that arc to really hit home. It made Janai come off as kind of stupid and a bit arrogant.
Amaya was overall done a lot better than Janai, imo.
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u/ijustneedtolurk Star 28d ago
I love the characters and their relationship, but their conflict with Karim and the settlement felt very rushed and oddly paced. It felt like the wedding was planned separately from the main plot arc and then kinda slotted in rather than a course of events. I feel like the ritual rites would have been handled a lot more elegantly and with diplomacy because the two royals have a strong connection with their people on both sides. Kinda felt random to have that be the catalyst to set off further division of the two peoples.
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u/Elanor2011 Aaravos 27d ago
Gren and Kazi got screentime that isn't just translating for Amaya, I'm at peace.
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u/bethfly 27d ago
I ended up being of two minds about it. On the one hand, I like their relationship and the marriage was sweet. But on the other hand, I don't think them getting married added much to the Sunfire elf plot that couldn't have been achieved with a different conflict, I think the marriage drama took up too much screentime and I disliked removing Amaya from Katolis. Amaya was a strong player in Katolis politics in the first arc and I thought her role in the story was much more interesting when she was supporting Callum and Ezran. But to be fair... That last aspect is honestly just a part of my larger disappointment that the second arc didn't spend more time delving into the politics of the world in general, both inter-politics within the human kingdoms and within the elf societies of Xadia, as well as the greater politics between the human societies and Xadia societies. That type of plot is much more interesting to me.
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u/Achilles9609 27d ago
It was okay, I guess? I like the characters, but the pairing simply never made sense to me. It happend too sudden.
And I feel like the whole Sunfire Elves Plot took up WAY too much time.
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u/ELLI_BITXHH 27d ago
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u/smiegto 27d ago
Time skip does not an interesting relationship make. They had this interesting battle rivalry going on. Then married. Season 4 ruined any build ups from season 1-3 for me. So I only watched episode 1 and quit the series as a whole.
I get that putting all content in the timespan of 5 in series months seems unrealistic… but time skipping a bunch of interesting stuff made it in my opinion unwatchable.
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u/maxiface 28d ago
I honestly dislike the concept as it adds nothing to the story at all apart from a bit of human-elf bridge which already existed.
And it also came off as unexpected for me.
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u/ChildofFenris1 27d ago
It was adorable and I love how they incorporated both cultures wedding traditions
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u/Gathering0Gloom 27d ago
Why did it take so long for the wedding to happen? They could have done it in one season, two at the most.
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u/mina_amane Human Rayla 27d ago
Because they kept waiting for the worst possible moment and then wondered why no one wanted the wedding to happen
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u/HRCStanley97 27d ago
Who’s older or younger than the other?
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 27d ago
Well Janai is a sunfire elf who may live centuries. I think Amaya is around 35. Her age was never mentioned.
Of course Jani's lifespan may get retconned.
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u/Ok_Somewhere1236 27d ago
fine but rushed, some old issue with show, they try have a lot of things happening in a very small number of episodes, and in the end everything feel under developed, rushed and underbaked
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u/brainsngains 27d ago
Legitimately, looking back on season 6, it was filler, and a plot device. They needed sol regum to destroy katolis as the end result; the red wedding was just the way to get there.
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u/Afraid_Mechanic_1586 27d ago
It was neat ig, the main complaint i have with this and other things in the show is that they got off-screened in the timeskip, like, they just tell you "Two years passed and stuff is this way now, will we show it?, no", my memory is a bit foggy tho
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u/RogerdeMalayanus 27d ago
When every new season rolled around I thought they were married then oh..,not yet
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u/Jagdgeschwader_26 I'm just here for the dragons 27d ago
It feels very weird seeing a human wearing clothing with a design so obviously inspired by Sol Regem.
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u/ZymZymZym777 27d ago
I get the impression Sol Regem didn't burn anything in ages. He couldn't fly or see. Elarion was destroyed like a thousand years ago. But yeah given how he was totally going to BBQ them all in an hour...
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u/Grown-Ass-Weeb 27d ago
Almost a bad omen considering the events that occurred during the reception.
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u/Joueur-en-jaune 27d ago
Cool but lacking like many things in the arc2. You can feel the hollowness of the world; neither of them seemingly having friends to invite that aren't the 2-3 characters already shown... For a royal wedding it was so little. Like Katolis, it felt like the sunelf "kingdom" would barely scratch the population cap of a city.
Visually the robes were nice but still feel like the budget (and chosen animation constraints from it) was limiting the creativity. The ceremony itself was captive from the wonky plot writing, but nice.
It felt like their relationship was prisonner to the pacing and plot ; but the few heartfelt moments between them were well done. I'll mostly rememebr the flowers touching moment.
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u/littlebuett 27d ago
Lame forced pandering to the shipping fan base that killed a lot of character potential each had
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u/vivienna490 27d ago
Honestly I loved it, their relationship seemed very sweet to me and while I do agree that it was a bit sudden and unexpected, I think it was a nice part of the story
Though I definitely understand where others are coming from
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u/willowstar157 27d ago
The fact that they’re lesbians is the last thing that comes to mind with the ship lol
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u/banjo-witch 27d ago
I think they're pretty cute as a couple and they've got good chemisty but I'll be honest every time the sunfire elves were on screen for arc 2 I was doing mental catch up becuase that plot felt so disconnected from everything else until right at the last second.
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u/WhatTheRustyHell 27d ago
Irrelevant to grander plot and thus waste of limited airtime the show had.
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u/Loros_Silvers 27d ago
Originally, I didn't care for this plot much. I found it to be boring and take too much screen time. When the time for this wedding actually came, I was super excited since the episode it was in (S6E7) is named "The Red Wedding."
My favorite fantasy series of all time is "A Song of Ice and Fire."
That one episode title shifted my perspective. It gave me hope for this plot that I really did not care for earlier. It made me happy to watch it.
This is probably the worst side plot I have seen in years in anything I watched. Half of my hate comes purely from the fact that they dared evoking one of the best plot twists in fantasy itself without doing anything remotely close to justifying it.
Come the downvotes, I would not care. I wanted these characters to have their happy ending and leave the limited screen the show had to the A-plot, then I wanted them to die because of course I did, and then I was just disappointed.
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u/Initial_Shine5690 27d ago
Slightly off topic, but anyone else think that Amaya would introduce Janai as her ex-girlfriend, only for Janai to correct saying they’re wives lol
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u/K-PHOEN1X Moon 26d ago
En esta serie hay varias parejas LGTBQ+ y me parece muy inclusivo de su parte el añadir también una boda, por que ayuda a recalcar el hecho que la gente de esta comunidad va en serio y que no le tienen miedo a los prejuicios y demás
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u/Astrian 27d ago
In the least offensive way possible. We did not need to know about this wedding and it was almost completely irrelevant to the story.
Subplots like this are part of the reason why TDP has such a horrendous pacing problem. This could’ve been a couple of episodes yet this, including the sunfire elves storyline took an eternity.
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u/TheFallenJedi66 27d ago
didn't care. It contributed nothing to the story and was without a doubt just pandering with how forced it felt
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u/ChildofFenris1 27d ago
What do you mean? It was a huge part of why her and Karim were fighting.
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u/Sad-Significance8045 27d ago
I think it was mainly the HUMAN part and not so much the lesbian part.
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u/ChildofFenris1 27d ago
Oh I know Karim didn’t mind her being with a female. But the commenter is saying the the marriage was irrelevant and I was trying to avoid making any…accusations
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u/Unpopular_Outlook 27d ago
Her and Larin could have been fighting for things that actually mattered and was relevant.
Like actually rebuilding their city and changing the culture that isn’t dependent on romance and romance alone, but actually wanting to change
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 27d ago
Well it's a stereotypical lesbian wedding. Amaya is the "husband" & Janai is the "wife". No complaints from me though
How ever i myself could never marry a person who killed my comrades-in-arms. Even after peace or fighting together.
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u/BrittneyofHyrule 27d ago
I like their relationship but feel like the whole thing, like much else in this series, is full of wasted potential.
For starters, it's a complete fantasy setting, blending two of the fantasy cultures in a ceremony.....why did they use boring (and irl western-sentric) white so prominently?
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u/KamenAttackRide 27d ago
I don't really have much thought on it except that it's a wedding. Straight. Homosexual. Lesbian. I never saw any kind of difference because I guess I always believed in equal rights through and through. I would definitely be upset though if the United States take away gay marriage.
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u/Pure_Requirement663 27d ago
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u/Lupus_Noir Star 27d ago
It just felt way too modern. Amaya essentially became a housewife and only existed to support Janai. Also, what is with those outfits? They look like they got them on sale at a bridal shop, not like something a medievalesque society would wear. For a culture that is based on fire and heat, the wedding ceremony was rather tepid.
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u/PriorResult9949 26d ago
I think elves are kinda hot. I’m heterosexual. But… if a really hawt female elf wanted to make me hers? I would let her have her way.
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u/Healthy-Internal5513 26d ago
I am not attacking by saying this but I don't agree with being gay or murdering babies in the womb. I have to specifically say I am not attacking so my account gets suspended.
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u/chapelMaster123 Captain Villads 26d ago
Should have been a book. Not the main show. Had very little plot relevance and took way too much screen time.
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u/World-Three 25d ago
Felt fast...
I guess it was easy since nobody had to vet each other. They could look into the light and not burn. But generally it felt like a box to check seeing as Amaya seemed cool enough with others that there would be... other candidates? I'd honestly feel a type of way if more people aren't attracted to her, especially in a series that also has Claudia.
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u/Bea-Andera 25d ago
I love the couple and their vows were beautiful. That being said, yeah, it took too much time and there was too much mess around it because of Karim. As someone else said, it'd be nice to use part of this time to develop them as girlfriends before marriage.
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u/Jeezursilly 23d ago edited 23d ago
I miss when all the relationships were subtle, but at the end they really just pushed ALL the relationships in your face and didn't focus as much attention to the plot. Like I don't need to see Callun tell Rayla he loves her 107 times, or reiterate that Janai and Amaya are in love and ready to make change. Like Janai didn't even look like she knew wtf she was doing as a leader, when we saw her capabilities early on. They were just thrown out, and her lesbian love story was the whole main focus that she fks up 100p times. I wouldve been pissed too just like her brother.
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u/AHMAD3456 20d ago
I don't really care about them, they seemed like a happy couple all the time so I wasn't really interested about the ship,
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u/sinan_online 27d ago
It just felt forced and artificial. It has little to do with the main story arc. It also does not fit well within the world building. They developed tolerance for same-sex marriage, but somehow they cannot get over violent racism against non-human species? Or was same-sex marriages always accepted? It can be fine, but we never hear about it or understand it.
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u/AlexArtemesia 27d ago edited 27d ago
I thought it was sweet. They'd obviously developed a friendship by the end of the previous season so to see them actually be partners the following one made me smile.
Besides it's not as though Amaya's relationship was the only queer representation in the show. Rayla has two adoptive dads and Terry explained that he's AFAB. Amaya's bookish Sun Elf interpreter (I forget their name 🙈) was using they/them pronouns while being introduced at the wedding ceremony.
I really enjoyed how Dragon Prince made 2SLGBTQIA+ representation present and not a big deal. It's how it should be in media.
ETA: and to everyone talking about how it was just filler and pacing issues: the cut aways were to show how Karim destabilized the Sun elves further, how he resurrected Sol Regen, and how all of that came to pass.
That was ALL spurred by the fact that Janai was marrying Amaya, a human. Karim was xenophobic and traditionalist, so of course that would spur him to action. Despite the (felt like hundreds) chances Janai gave him he kept making the decisions that would ultimately damn him, so much so that I wondered if Aaravos had a little bug whispering to him too.
But no, turns out Karim was the bug.
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u/vtncomics 27d ago
How's it different from a Jewish wedding??
Are they singing gay hymns during the ceremony? Because I doubt you can get the elderly to motion the YMCA song./s
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u/improbsable 27d ago
It was ok. I wish the sun elves got more to do. It really felt like after their sun staff was stolen it was kind of the end of their story. But it just kept going.
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u/MrS0bek 28d ago edited 28d ago
Cool that they married, and in isolation it is an ok story. But their arc took way too much time with little to now payoff for the grander narrative. I would say you could skip everything up until Callum and co need to reach the library without loosing anything of consequence (after all even Karims arc didn't amount to much up until that point or ever). Indeed IIRC only then do we even learn *why* the light elf city cannot simply be resettled and why they need to built a new city in the first place. A bit late for all the time that came before.