r/TheDragonPrince • u/InsideUnhappy6546 • 3d ago
Discussion Final Day: Horrible Person hated by fans
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u/Doctor_Harbinger 3d ago
Karim. The pointless waste of a character space.
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u/The-Grim-Sleeper Lujanne 3d ago
Hard disagree. He is the best kind of character: a useless piece of shit who acts like a cunt and is too dumb to live. And then he dies amusingly.
10/10 match for hated&evil slot for sure, though.
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Human Rayla 3d ago
Too much screentime, not really much of a character outside of evil dumb stupid idiot and overall quite pointless.
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u/the_io Claudia 3d ago
Enough to be intrusive but not enough to be interesting, especially when they never let him be impressive in that screentime.
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u/Cygnus_Harvey Human Rayla 3d ago
His main contribution in FOUR seasons is to be deceived by Aaravos to heal the bitch ass bigot dragon so he can torch the human castle a little. That's it.
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u/Lupus_Noir Star 1d ago
The problem with Karim is that he wasn't written to be intelligent or a master manipulator. An irredimable charavter can be loved by the fans if they were written well enough, but Karim only stayed alive cause he got lucky. He was an absolute idiot who happened to be surrounded by even dumber characters, and had little to no effect on the plot.
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u/Blazypika2 the Ruthless 3d ago
the problem is, karim served his purpose by season 4. he already felt pointless in season 5 and the fact he was still used in seasons 6 and 7 is ridiculous.
they should given all the screentime he had post season 4 to sol regem (which should have already hinted as an antagonist in season 4 and be the major antagonist in 5).
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u/CrimsonIcicle 3d ago
I literally just finished watching the most recent season. I saw that scene, saw Karim talking his usual BS while Aaravos just gives him an amused look, saw him walk right into a literal Titan's hand. I remember thinking "I bet he's gonna get squished". But even having seen it coming, I still laughed so hard that I had to pause, and then I went back and watched it another 3 times, laughing every time. I honestly think that's my favourite scene in the entire show. I couldn't get over the juxtaposition of the squishing sound vs everyone's horrified reactions đ.
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u/TiredHummingbird 3d ago
Agree with both of you. Best waste of space love to hate character who stuck around way too annoyingly long before his incredible end
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u/RotationalAnomaly 3d ago
Karim or Sol Regem, either one works.
But I have been swayed that Karim is probably more hated because Sol is at least liked as a villain even if he is despised as a person. Karim is just annoying *and* a terrible person lol.
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u/DerpInNeedOfFiller 3d ago
Sol Regem is at least intimidating. His first full scene where Callum and Rayla are trying to tiptoe around him is genuinely tense because you do believe heâll kill them if he can and heâs shown to be precise enough with his smell that he has a decent chance of theyâre not careful.
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u/RotationalAnomaly 3d ago
Yep, thatâs why I was so excited to see him again in arc 2. Tho I was a bit dissapointed what they ended up doing with him, his appearance in season 6 was great but everything leading up to that just makes you scratch your head and go âthat was it?â
I know itâs an important plot point regardless but like heâs the perfect dragon to make a looming threat that keeps becoming a bigger problem. He is scary. And I wish they put a bit more into that. If I were in control I wouldâve scrapped some of Karimâs other weird plans that were there just to fail, probably the one with the blood moon huntress, and focus more on building the collaboration between him and Sol.
Tbh, if you wanna go all in, you can have Sol recruit Karim instead of the other way around. I never liked how they just made Sol âwoe is meâ depressed in arc 2. I wouldâve written it so that Sol Regem hears of Karim little mishap in Lux Aurea and takes interest in him, sending someone to break him out of prison and thatâs how the two meet.
Tho with how simple minded Karim seems to be, you can also play with the idea that Sol sees him more as a means to an end rather than a partner and thus never really takes him all too seriously.
I personally feel he couldâve benefitted a lot more in arc 2 from the intimidation factor they had already given him in season 3 to make him truly memorable. What we got wasnât terrible, in fact it was the highlight of the season, but man⌠I was so hyped for this guy to return after season 3, I wanted more lmao.
But thatâs just my opinion
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u/DerpInNeedOfFiller 3d ago
I feel like every plot point that touched Karim suffered from the fact that the place all the sunfire elf refugees ended up felt like a âcamp.â Like they hadnât really settled a new city. Because Karim is supposed to hate that âNew Lux Aureaâ is integrated with humans, and I think Janai kept referring to people making âhomes and familiesâ together, but it never felt like they were in a new city to me, everyone was just in tents like they were still waiting to go back to the old city. And I think thatâs whatâs supposed to make Sol Reggum so glum. His one purpose was bitterly guarding a âlesser breachâ because he couldnât guard the main breach anymore(he was going to be dragon king once after all) but with an integrated Xadia, he didnât even have that purpose. We needed âNew Lux Aureaâ to feel like a permanent settlement, we needed there to visibly be human/elf hybrid families, and we needed someone to at least mention that Sol Reggum had shown up to stop those things and been forcibly ordered to stop by Zubeia. That wouldâve actually made SR and Karim feel like they were on the same page when they found each other moping in the desert.
Of course that still wouldnât fix that SR couldnât smell Aaravosâ curse on the priest guy, even though SR had been shown to be able to smell dark magic so well that he could tell Callum had used it once in his entire life. Or that SR thought he was being led to New Lux Aurea but for some reason couldnât tell that he had actually been led all the way across the border(a much longer flight) and I guess couldnât smell that he was in human lands despite there being no magic around? And couldnât tell that Katolis was a human city in spite of smelling no elves anywhere?? I mean just from feeling the direction of the sun on his back, he should have been able to tell he wasnât going in the right direction! And then they had the balls to call that âmanipulationâ by Aaravos when it was just âhe was magically dumb and didnât notice what he was obviously doingOMFGfuckarc2!
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u/DepressedGolduck 3d ago
Haven't commented on the previous posts, but i will now just to put it into the universe:
KARIM!!
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u/WindCold6245 3d ago
Karim, bro hated his sister ruling so much that he was ready to make a deal with the person that killed his other sister
Absolute pos
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u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob Claudia 3d ago
He thought Viren killed his sister.
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u/SuddenlyCake 3d ago
Karim is not only hated because he is a pathetic worm, but he is also meta-hated for beign such an annoying ans insufferable villain AND taking screen time away from way better characters
Truly the epitome of hated by fans
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u/Type_1_Eagle 3d ago
Karim
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u/ChildofFenris1 3d ago
Whatâs with the gif?
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u/Type_1_Eagle 3d ago
Donât you remember his end?
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u/ChildofFenris1 3d ago
Yes, it was amazing
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u/Intelligent-Walk9136 3d ago edited 3d ago
Let's be real here it's Karim or Sol Regem.
They're the most hated characters in the whole franchise, though between the two, definitely Karim.
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u/Firkraag-The-Demon 3d ago
Definitely Karim. As evil as SOL is, heâs at least intimidating, and heâs successful enough to actually be a threat on screen. He also has some (not much) justification for being the way he is. Karim does nothing but fail.
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u/JaracRassen77 3d ago
Lol how in the comments, it's indisputably Karim, lol.
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u/Starfan129 3d ago
Not surprised.  He fits the bill perfectly. Hated for both meta and in universe behaviorÂ
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u/Proxymole 3d ago edited 3d ago
I'm going to make an argument for Finnegrin just because I hate him. He's basically a twirly moustache villain. He's cruel to animals, he was basically going to feed Rayla to sharks, he manipulates and blackmails his crew, he freezes people's blood to force them to do things when manipulation doesn't work, he beat and tortured Callum, and he wanted to use Viren's dark magic spell to kill a dragon and rule the oceans. Even before he lost his pet crab he was just doing all this for greed and power. He's just straight up an evil jerk. And he's a one-off villain so he doesn't have a single fan. He's a bad guy who is designed to be hated.
Unlike Karim, Finnegrin is a horrible person in all situations. He didn't have anyone he cared about like Karim did with his wife. He's horrible to his core, and he's hated. So I think he fits the best as the most horrible and most hated character.
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u/ChildofFenris1 3d ago
Makes sense b I donât think Karim ever married her. Iâm still not voting for him cuz I forgot about him. I will upvote you tho
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u/Ollirick 3d ago
If i don't see Karim on here .... I honestly giggled at his end. He was a waste of space and needed to go. Should have gone earlier in the season though.
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u/Rime_Rin 3d ago
Sol Regem for sure since most of the problems in the show are directly his fault. He is a good villain but a terrible person.
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u/Crafty-Mention-5091 3d ago
Hard to say Terry is a bad guy. Wait before downvoting Terry did help Claudia with her evil doing but he is innocent. We learn this because he can see the map so it means that he didn't think about what he did, only that he's helping Claudia to save her father. That doesn't mean he is a good guy but he is neither an evil person.
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u/AshOblivion 3d ago
Honestly that kinda made him worse. He's not even intentionally bad, he's just... dumb. It's why so many people dislike him, though I suppose it does rule him out from "horrible person" he's not even morally grey
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u/Crafty-Mention-5091 3d ago
Agree. I some point he understands that he is helping evil but yes. He is dump
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u/HoneyAfter8583 3d ago
Im so surprised people hate Karim, he was my favorite part ot that interesting final stretch
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u/ChildofFenris1 3d ago
Youâre surprised? He was a complete a whole to his sister and called his sister his child an heir instead of child. Then tried to black mail an Aravos like an idiot.
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u/HoneyAfter8583 3d ago
That's why I like him. He's a scummy piece of shit. And im a sucker for dynastic disputes.
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u/Holiday_Ad_1927 3d ago
Karim. His death was just funny, but also could be seen as is ignorance coming back to squish him like the bug he is
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u/muppetman18 Hay is the best 3d ago
In the history of the internet, I've never seen anything so unanimous as the hatred for Karim. And, everyone is correct
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u/StarTheAngel 3d ago
Villains can still be irredeemable and entertaining but Kirim ain't one of them
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u/Candid-Doughnut7919 2d ago
Why is the prince of the other kingdom hated? Maybe I'm forgetting things but didn't he only go to war because his father was almost murdered by (supposedly) elves?
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u/smolcharizard 3d ago
This has to be Karim