Ezran is not hypocrite

[u/Inner-Scene4000]

Hot take

I don’t think that Ezran is a hypocrite. People will argue that he is a hypocrite because he forgives Zubeia, even though she was the one who sent the assassin after him and his father, the king. However, Zubeia didn't actually kill the king; it was Runaan who did that.

[u/Temporary_Cut_3884]

She is just as involved in Harrow's death as Runaan is, as without her orders there would be no assassination attempt in the first place..

[u/ChefKugeo → u/Temporary_Cut_3884]

And yet, emotions aren't logical. Ezran was looking at the man he was told killed his father.

Have you seen The Avengers? Wanda tells Tony Stark that it was HIS bombs dropped on her city. It was HIS name.

Runaan was the one Ezran saw as they escaped the city. Runaan is Ezran's boogeyman. It was easy for him to ask for peace and forgiveness from everyone else, because their hands weren't stained in his father's blood.

Me personally... I think I'd be even more irrational the first time I saw the person that killed my only living parent.

[u/Solid_Highlights → u/ChefKugeo]

 emotions aren't logical

Ok? That doesn’t make him any less hypocritical.

[u/ChefKugeo → u/Solid_Highlights]

Quote me where I said it didn't.

[u/Solid_Highlights → u/ChefKugeo]

Ok, if you want to play that game, did anyone here say emotions were logical?

Like, what’s the relevance here, buddy? OP was arguing that Ezran is not hypocritical because Runaan was the one who killed Harrow and not Zubeia, the person you’re responding to said  Zubeia is just as responsible since she did give the order, and your response is “well, emotions aren’t logical.”

So…what’s the contribution here? That you can make the most obvious definitional distinction that changes absolutely nothing about what’s being discussed?

[u/ChefKugeo → u/Solid_Highlights]

Not playing a game, I just know how to keep myself on topic and only engage with folks when it amuses me. You don't seem amusing. You seem tedious. 👍🏾🤞🏾✌🏾

Take care.

[u/Solid_Highlights → u/ChefKugeo]

I just know how to keep myself on topic

You literally admitted to switching topics from hypocrisy to whether emotions are logical. If making trivial, useless points then fleeing when question is your idea of amusement, who am I to judge?

[u/The-Grim-Sleeper]

I don't think Ezran was a hypocrite for wanting to do due process on Runaan. In fact, I don't even really blame him for the problems inflicted on Katolis and the zym-team by his naivety.

It's just he got trapped in between being 'the minority kid' and so he can not have an evil bone in his body and the times the writers needed someone to hold the idiot ball to make the plot happen, but not wanting to give it to the characters they personally like.

[u/RickyFlintstone]

There are some hypocritical actions through his arc, but that's okay. It could even be a good thing in a character arc if it spurs growth. Problem with Ezran is that his arc is stunted and disjointed.

The hypocrisy is that he preaches listening and empathy as a means of healing and building lasting peace, but doesn't follow through on that right away with Runnan....until he does. He asks his people to do this in season 4, admitting to them that he wasn't considering their feelings on how he was going about welcoming Zubiea to Xadia. He shows growth here by admitting that he made mistakes. But when it comes to Runnan, he doesn't offer that. He jumps right to blame and taking him prisoner, because it effects him on a personal level this time. We don't see him offer anything to Runnan, or take Rayla's feelings into account during these moments. Where he preached listening to everyone that was hurt, and dismissing Rayla, and even Callum, he is being a hypocrite.

Finding the strength to forgive and even attempt to forgive however is not hypocrisy. It's Ezran actually living up to what he said was important.

[u/Dull-Law3229]

More upset at his generosity towards Zubeia and Runaan and his utter DGAF towards Viren.

Viren ran back to try to save his mom's life from Zym's dad, who does kill her, and gets a mural.

Viren was fighting to protect Harrow from Runaan. Runaan is ultimately forgiven.

Viren wanted Ezran dead but so did Runaan and Zubeia.

Viren also served Ezran's family a long time, and ultimately died saving Katolis after Viren surrendered and turned himself in.

Ezran's nonchalance seems off-putting.

[u/RadioactiveOtter_]

It's not about being a hypocrite. Not entirely. He was a kid, so he thought of Runaan like a killer and Zubeia ad Zym's mom. He'd maybe thought different if he was older

[u/katerinamor]

If zubeia didn't order his death runaan wouldn't kill him. He was taking orders from his queen. He couldn't deny her. And even tho he knew the egg was alive he still had orders from her to kill the king. Ezran is a hypocrite for this. Both zubeia and runaan were in the wrong. But mostly zubeia for ordering the killing.

[u/Solid_Highlights]

 However, Zubeia didn't actually kill the king; it was Runaan who did that.

And who ordered Runaan to do that? Zubeia. 

A bad take is not a hot take.

[u/Inner-Scene4000 → u/Solid_Highlights]

This is my opinion:

Zubeia ordered Runaan to kill Harrow, but it was actually Runaan who killed him. Runaan is the one responsible for the deaths of both the king and his father.

This isn't a bad take; many people share this same perspective.

[u/Solid_Highlights → u/Inner-Scene4000]

Ok, many people are capable of sharing bad takes, I agree with that. Bad takes such as “subordinates are more responsible than the people who ordered them to do something bad.”

This isn’t difficult or complicated; if what Runaan did was bad, then logically what Zubeia did was bad since she ordered him to do it.

[u/InsideUnhappy6546]

If he could forgive the one who gave the order than he could still forgive the one who was just following orders

[u/Inner-Scene4000 → u/InsideUnhappy6546]

It is very hard to forgive someone who killed your dad, your only parent, when you were very young.

[u/katerinamor → u/Inner-Scene4000]

If you can forgive the one who ordered his death then you can forgive the killer. Or not forgive any of them.

[u/InsideUnhappy6546]

Mahatma Gandhi: The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong

[u/MrPete_Channel_Utoob → u/InsideUnhappy6546]

He never forgave the British.

[u/Creative-Ad6532]

No tiene sentido lo q dices, osea, ¿odias al sicario pero no a la persona q lo mandó a q te matara?  Por eso odio a Ezran, y no me vale la excusa de q es un niño, porque aunque lo sea, ni las consecuencias de sus actos recibe, y por esa razón un personaje no "crece". 

[u/RadianceTower → u/Creative-Ad6532]

There is something I am curious about. Why are you talking Spanish here?

[u/Creative-Ad6532 → u/RadianceTower]

porque quiero👌

[u/RadianceTower → u/Creative-Ad6532]

I don't get it though, like, people wouldn't understand you since this is an English place?

[u/Spencer-Palmer-1056]

Actually, if the Archdragons, Elven Archmages, and the Jailer let the Orphan Queen wrote in a journal about how they imprisoned Aavaros, than King Harrow wouldn’t made implusive choices that lead to a revenage cycle that his sons had to break before dealing with Aaravos’s jailbreak.

But if Rayla told everybody about her desire to free Runaan and her parnets sooner than later it would had prevented a lot of problems and Ezran would had a better time finally a way to forgive him while learning that Harrow was soul switched not killed.