I believe the victims 100%. This does not mean I am quitting tdp. The show still means a lot to me and boycotting/ cancelling the show will NOT solve the bigger issue here. The harassers need to be held accountable.
Just out of curiosity, why? Why with such certainty, when so little information has come out and its so fresh still? This isn't to say I'm saying you are wrong, but what about these accusations has you "100%" certain they are factual to the letter? Perhaps there is some piece of the data I've missed or misconstrued and you are so certain I'd appreciate you sharing it to repair my ignorance =)
Not the person you replied to, but I also believe the victims so I'll throw in my two cents.
It's because there just can't be this much smoke with no fire. If one woman was throwing accusations around that might be a fluke, multiple women though? That raises a lot of red flags.
There have been cases of massive accusations and testimonies being followed by mob revolt only to result in nothing. Or worse, cases were the accusations were false.
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Testimonies, in the end, are circunstantial evidence. It's important we listen and keep our eyes open, but without proof comproving or dismissing it, we can't take anyone sides 100%.
That may be true, but it's equally dangerous to assume the victims are lying as a knee jerk reaction. Yes it true that there have been cases where people are caught lying but in general women don't lie about this sort of thing. They have a lot more to lose then to gain.
To be clear I said I believe the victims but I'm still willing to hear out Aaron's side of story. We barely have any info as is, we're going to have to wait until theirs more. But people are well within their rights to demand an explanation from him, these are serious accusations.
I’d invoke the old middle ground of “trust, but verify”
That is to say, we shouldn’t dismiss them out of hand but we need more information before assuming everything they’re saying is true. Frankly, all I’m hearing could be down to misunderstanding and people confusing disagreement with disrespect, so I don’t know.
Dismissing either side as guilty (be of the accusation or of falsely accusing someone) without enough evidence (principally before it's beyond reasonable doubt) is a terrible idea and wouldn't result in any good.
The best we do is search for more or keep our eyes open.
Okay just pointing this out again, this was claimed to have been going on for years and Danica said on her twitter she was planning on calling Aaron out for a while. Did she never think to record him being abusive? Take a screen shot of an abusive work place email? Literally anything beyond 'I say he is a bad man so get him!'
I don't. The tweets are intentionally vauge and slightly misleading. Deciphering the mess of tweets leads me to the conclusion that well Aaron might have been a bit of a dick and bad manager. But there was no actual abuse or illegal things happening. Yes the women making accusations were creatively ignored... Yeah so what? none of them were on the creative team. Maybe their ideas were not good.
Another thing is the whole timing of this thing makes it practically malicious. Starting a social media controversy two weeks before the release of the biggest season is targeted/opportunistic.
If there were emotional/ sexual abuse or everyone was being overworked, I would be raising my pitchfork. But to me this is simply small grievance being blown out of proportion by a person who knows how to precisely use social media as a weapon.
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u/lunadivinr Nov 06 '19
I believe the victims 100%. This does not mean I am quitting tdp. The show still means a lot to me and boycotting/ cancelling the show will NOT solve the bigger issue here. The harassers need to be held accountable.