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Season 3 Episode 9

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u/Xneose Nov 22 '19

Anyone else think that Rayla’s parents aren’t dead, but turned into coins? He jingled his bag of coins which had the assassin in it and we never actually saw her parents die. This, along with the flower in the pond being only half sunk, might mean a case of “mostly dead is still somewhat alive”

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u/Pandapartypc Nov 22 '19

I definitely saw him saying he had a "Collection" as a clear hint that her parents are alive

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u/BloatedBaryonyx Nov 27 '19

It makes sense with his character; since he can only draw power from a living being, it makes sense to trap them instead of killing them. When else is he going to get the opportunity to harvest all the magic of a whole moon elf?

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

But that wouldn’t make sense, would it? I thought they knew her parents were alive because their flowers didn’t sink. Runaan’s did and he’s trapped in a coin.

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u/Hamntor Hay is the best Nov 22 '19

They didn't have their own flowers, they were acting as guards, not assassins.

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u/Wolf6120 Am I your little bug pal? Nov 23 '19

They might not even have flowers at all, right? They said the flowers are only for assassins who have to head outside of Xadia for missions, as a way for the other elves to keep track of them.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

Yeah, I realize that now. Got a bit mixed up because Rayla was drawing parallels to her flower and how her parents ran away. I’m just unsure how she and all the other elves assumed her parents were alive otherwise.

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u/desover Nov 22 '19

They were sworn to defend the dragons but no bodies were found so the assumption is that they fled like the other elves.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

But elves can apparently just be turned to dust with magic. Or humans could have taken their bodies since they’re magical.

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u/desover Nov 22 '19

Honestly I don't remember if we've seen an elf be used for dark magic but typically the bodies are still left behind after the dark magic is cast. If the dust you're talking about was the sun queen I don't think that was her being used in a spell, just killed. I think it's just a simpler conclusion to come to. No bodies were found, other elves fled so they likely fled.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

Yeah, I meant like the sun queen. If that’s possible to do to elves, why are they still assumed alive? Especially if they found the other deserters and her parents weren’t with them.

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u/desover Nov 22 '19

We've seen it happen once and elves seem to be constantly surprised by what dark magic can do. I don't think it's natural to assume that they were vaporized. And I doubt the deserters would all just be hanging out. The one we saw fleeing could fly so they definitely wouldn't have been traveling together.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

But the dragon king was turned to stone. They didn’t stop for a second to think “huh. maybe these guys can do all sorts of super powerful magic.” Seems kinda messed up to assume the worst of two people when they were never found or even confirmed as living or dead.

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u/Karl666Smith Nov 22 '19

Then why did xadians thought that the egg was destroyed?

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u/desover Nov 22 '19

An egg can't run away so it was definitely taken by the humans. No ultimatum was received by the elves and dragons for the prince to be returned. The egg was taken and hidden not shown to the public. Natural assumption would be it was destroyed.

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u/PlusUltraK Nov 24 '19

Especially after you arrive and see the Deagon King shatter and petrified

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u/sohaibmm7 Nov 23 '19

To be fair, Other elves also escaped and if Xadia knows about even one elf that escaped, and they confess "yea WE ran from the dark mage strong enough to kill our king", it's a safe assumption that anyone who is missing might just be hiding out of fear or shame. So you may as well Ghost them. if they died, then oh well. if they didn't, then I guess they would want to make sure they were punished.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 23 '19

Oh well? What about all the shame their daughter feels and how she can’t move on from it? If they are dead, she would need closure for that, too. It seems really disrespectful to just assume when they were never seen from again.

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u/sohaibmm7 Nov 24 '19

When the Dragon King was killed, it left a body. A stone body. So as far as their perception of dark magic is concerned, this mage turns his victims to stone. No elven statues found at the scene? Other elves they KNOW ran away? It all fits.

As for disrespect, they did the same to Rayla didn't they, so yeah you could say the Moonshadow elves are way too quick to jump the gun. They saw one was alive and rather than assume that she had been captured, they figured betrayal. We don't know enough of their society, so I guess they are the type to judge harshly, Even one of the people who raised her (Runaan's husband whose name slipped my mind) Ghosted her as opposed to wait for her. Sure, he talked to her AFTER but he still participated like the rest. Safe to say, that these guys aren't the "innocent until proven guilty" types.

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u/PlusUltraK Nov 24 '19

No dead bodies were found, so the only explanation after that is they turned tail and ran shortly after everyone else. And assumed their actions were the same as the fleeing dragon guard

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u/Pandapartypc Nov 22 '19

What i saw was that Runaan's flower had only half sunk, and when Viren says he has a collection of moonshadow elves that implies more than just runaan. But other than rayla's parents what other moonshadow elves would he have had the chance to encounter?

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u/bismuth12a Human Rayla Nov 23 '19

Plus it adds a more personal dimension to Viren showing Runaan his collection. Runaan recognized Rayla's parents and that's what really horrified him.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

I don’t disagree that they’re hinting at it. But it wouldn’t make sense. The moonshadow elves think Runaan is dead but not Rayla’s parents.

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u/mr_arm Nov 22 '19

I’m fairly certain only the assassin squad got the floaty flower gems, as a way of knowing of they lived while they were far away on a dangerous mission in human lands. Rayla’s parents were dragonguard, not assassins, so no flowers for them. So I think Viren’s bag of coins includes Rayla’s parents, and Runaan; the other assassins were killed.

(I also like to think that the King is in one of those coins too, and that despite Viren’s evil tendencies and ruthlessness, he couldn’t outright kill his best friend)

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u/Simonaro Earth Nov 23 '19

I don't think Harrow is in a coin.

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The assassins wrist bindings and the floating flowers are probably the same or similar spells. Why would Rayla's binding for Harrow fall off, while Runaan's flower still glows?

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u/teacuplion8 Nov 23 '19

a part of me was still hoping Harrow is the pet parrot that escaped

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u/swismiself Nov 25 '19

That's the current hypothesis at my house

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

Yeah, I guess I missed the “assassin” part and just assumed it was all moonshadow elves sent on important missions. I still think it’s a bit shaky that Rayla and the other elves were so sure her parents were alive and ran away when it could just as easily been that they were killed and either their bodies were collected or they turned to dust like Janai’s sister.

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u/mr_arm Nov 22 '19

I think “coining” a person does away with their physical body somehow; we never see Runaan’s corpse (or the King’s corpse, for that matter).

And Viren was on some next-level dark magic shit when he dusted the sunfire queen; I doubt “oh they were prob just turned to ash by that dark mage” was a common assumption in Xadia

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u/bismuth12a Human Rayla Nov 23 '19

We see Runaan's cell repeatedly in season 2. There was no body. It was empty but for the mirror, chair, and Viren's other crap.

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

I would agree with you on that if it weren’t for the fact that they’d just killed the king of dragons so obviously it was a very powerful mage.

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u/mr_arm Nov 22 '19

Fair point

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u/swismiself Nov 25 '19

All the other assassin s?

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u/BootstrapsRiley Dec 02 '19

3 is a small collection of coins, but a large collection of people

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u/Jonagoldzz Nov 22 '19

It could also have been Runaan's flower that didn't sink

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u/InstitutionalizedOat Nov 22 '19

The one on the surface is Rayla’s flower. The one that is below the surface of the water but still glowing is Runaan’s