Maersk is transporting a shipment of parts for jet fighters to Israel, which is using them to bomb a densely-populated civilian area. Some people think bombing civilians is unfashionable and should be rejected as a tactic under the broad notion of “never again”.
Oh, I agree, very weak on the specifics. However it’s strange that it remains unchallenged on the generalities despite making a number of actionable claims. Companies love to sue when their names are stained. Why wouldn’t Maersk?
Well, in certain cases it is better to not sue. For example, ifthe media coverage has not as had much exposure. Meaning no coverage by the biggest m3dia outlets. By sueing they themselves will create more media exposure on it. Which in turn will hurt them more.
Indeed, there are no upsides for Maersk to make this a public case. Maersk would give them what they want and that is publicity, better keep quit and tomorrow people have already forgotten about these idiots.
Maersk is transporting a shipment of parts for jet fighters to Israel
Do you have a source confirming Maersk and our government lie about that? Only activists dare to claim that, not mainstream journalism, as far as I have read.
I've shared on another thread the links that I found when I did some very cursory Googling for the same- search for Maersk+F-35+Rotterdam and you'll find the same things I found. I agree, the evidence for this specific accusation is limited to some fairly thin reporting from b-grade outlets. However the allegations are very specific, which is weird because if it's all lies then you'd expect Maersk to pretty quickly sue the campaign's organisers for defamation, which they have not done. I suspect the truth is that this specific ship is no more objectionable than any other of Maersk's shipments of military hardware to Israel, which is to say shipments of military hardware to a country currently under ICC investigation. The ICC, of course, being about 2km north of Maersk's offices.
I'm more surprised they believe the government is involved in the complot. That would be a major scandal we haven't seen after prince Bernhard.
Personally I think it's obviously fake news. I don't think we can reduce Israel's violence by spreading bullshit. They only use it to justify vandalism in the Netherlands.
In the Netherlands they now need to have an export license to export F-35 parts to Israel. But recently they even changed that. They are restricting trade to Israel of several goods.
Honest question though, what's blocking that supposed to achieve beyond symbolic opposition? It's not like Israel needs the latest jets to maintain its campaign - it'll only give them more easy excuses for 'collateral damage' if they have to fall back on older planes with less advanced guidance and even regular artillery. It won't impede their ability to bomb Gaza when they have a domestic industry for 'basic' munitions and weapons, just the accuracy they can do it with.
And if it's just a symbolic gesture that won't reduce the violence at all, the people arguing we shouldn't jeopardise our credibility as a partner in international defence projects for it kind of have a point.
Sounds like a right wing jew hater. I thought we abandoned that mid 20th century. Do some research about middle east tensions and not follow your mainstream media.
As I already said, I have nothing against Jews. I have issues with Israel.
Conflating anti-Israeli sentiment as being anti-Jewish is ironically itself anti-Semitic since it basically says anyone who isn't an Israeli jew isn't a "real Jew".
I am about as polar opposite as it's possible to be from "right wing" without being a Communist.
Also it's ironic you'd tell me to "do your own research", given that's been the catcall of right-wing, anti-interlectual pundits since anti-vax and flat earthism nonsense became popular.
Hamas has certainly not helped to end hostilities either.
At this point it's a very small number of old leadership controlling an army of children who have known nothing but Israeli occupation since birth.
Hoever, give the fact that every time they make an attempt at a vaguely balanced cease fire offer it's rejected by Israel, it's kinda hard for them to do anything which would satisfy the Zionists besides lay down and let the IDF drive over them in tanks at ths point.
Antisemite.. sigh. We will never get anywhere close to a resolve on this conflict will we? If a country acts the way Israel has and still can’t be condemned for it because of above reasoning.. when can we criticize a country or more specifically their military?
But tell me, where is the outrage about Sudan? Why isn’t Maersk attacked for their business with Sudan? Or Russia?
Even the Yemenite delegate in the UN security council gives critique about all the attention for the conflict in Israel and the total lack of attention for the situation in Yemen, which has accounted for many more civilian deaths. He even steers to a possibility of anti-semitism.
Because Israel is currently front and center in the news for its blatant human rights violations, I am an anti-semite for not focusing on other human rights violations.
I am not an anti-semite, I have nothing against Jews. Palestinians are also semites.
I do have a lot against Israels clearly genocidal and blatantly illegal occupation of Palistine. I have a lot against Netanyahus use of the Israeli/Palestine war as a way to cling to power and avoid repercussions for his terrible leadership and I have a lot against AIPAC and it's stooges in US politics who have consistently facilitated the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Palastine by blocking the UN from doing anything about it.
If any other nations army had been caught red-handed, shooting up an ambulance convoy, then burying the bodies with bulldozers, they would have been "liberated" by the US within weeks.
Because it turns out that quite a lot of people are antisemitic and are looking for any reason at all to hate on Jewish people.
I also definitely don't approve of the Isreal-Palestine conflict. But I still think that terrorists living in Palestine are also a reason the conflict hasn't yet been resolved. And I also think it's strange that other 'genocides' don't get the same extreme reaction in first-world countries as this conflict.
So you literally asking why blame Israel only for committing genocide whereas other genocides are happening? Not a smart way to defend your position tho.
People can care about multiple things, and also can be particularly mad about a genocide being funded and supported by Western countries. Maybe sit down and have a deep think about your own values.
Wanneer free sudan? Congo Oeigoeren? Meer dan 2 miljoen doden, waar onder kinderen, geen water no one cares, nul demonstraties? Haat iedereen zwarte donkere mensen? Of gewoon haat naar vooral joden?
You've got it. Jews have always been the target for non-Jewish civilizations. No Jews, no news. Palestinians revolt against Hamas but since this does not do anything for the anti-Jewish cause, this is barely reported on.
You've clearly never been to a Palestine protest, where people routinely chant about Sudan and the Congo. Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism; claiming all Jews support Israel is antisemitic.
Misschien omdat onze regering/deze bedrijven niet actief het land financieel en materieel steunen. Like wat ga je demonstreren tegen de landen die jij noemt?? Amper wat in ons land heeft connecties. Ondertussen sturen wij vanalles en nog wat richting israel om hun genocide in gaza voort te laten gaan.
Echt wat een idioot what-aboutism punt.
En zelfs als het in Nederland nut had om demonstraties te doen tegen Congo, Sudan of de oeigoeren. Maakt dat het dan minder om steun te betuigen aan de palestijnen? "Oh maar jij geeft niet genoeg aandacht aan die andere dus hou je bek gewoon."
Gast wtf 🤡
Also demonstraties tegen Israël hebben niks met joden te maken. Het feit dat jij jodendom gelijk stelt aan zionisme maakt jouw een antisemiet. Dus alle joden zijn volgens jou medeplichtig in de acties van de Israëlische regering? Blijkbaar wel. Ok dan.
Joden = een geloofsovertuiging
Zionisme = een politieke overtuiging
Ook nog. Palestijnen behoren ook tot Semieten. Anti-palestina zijn is gelijk aan antisemitisme.
Wanneer free sudan? Congo Oeigoeren? Meer dan 2 miljoen doden, no one cares, nul demonstraties? Haat iedereen zwarte donkere mensen? Of gewoon haat naar vooral joden?
Maersk is the company shipping the jet fighter parts to the zionist occupier. There is a weapons transport through Rotterdam in the coming days heading there. I'd expect more action soon
I agree- the red line was great. But don’t fall into the trap of thinking that the only good protest is one that obeys the law. Laws change, and most of the things that you think of as inviolable pillars of your life (the right (and women’s right) to vote, the weekend, habeas corpus etc) were not guaranteed rights at one time or another. Collective punishment, FWIW, is also illegal.
Thanks for sharing this article. It doesn't mention any type of destructive actions from protesters.
The only protest mentioned was a peaceful one. "Maar na een actie voor de deur van het hoofdkantoor van CoolCat - met een waslijn van duizend ansichtkaarten waarin consumenten oproepen werk te maken van eerlijke kleding"
So you agree this wasn't a violent protest? Great!
Anyway, you are right that there was some destruction involved. But like I said, the destruction wasn't the main purpose of the action (I assume); it was publicly linking Maersk with human rights abuses.
I don't think these protesters are genuinely concerned with victims of crimes against humanity. I've spoken with some of them and they can't explain why they only focus on Israël and never on Ukraine, Sudan, the Pak-Afghan border or other conflicts where similar crimes are committed on an even grander scale than the deplorable Israëli government does.
Although for Ukraine they argue we're already doing enough, with which I disagree, but not giving a dime or having a clue about other, even larger tragedies occurring today, makes it appear they are very much honouring the age old European tradition of anti-semitism.
Well, let me the one to bring a change to that. The Netherlands has a lot of economical ties to Israel, way more than our ties with Sudan / the other places you have stated.
Influencing our government may actually lead to sanctions or other diplomatic measures that can be taken to pressure Israel into seizing the killing of thousands of people.
Yeah, they brought in that argument in the discussion, but it's easily proven to be false.
Even after all the sanctions, our trade volume with Russia is almost double as that of with Israël. We're still funding Russia's war machine far more than that of Israël. That's from the data of 2023, there's no data for 2024 yet afaik.
And while we might trade much less with countries like Sudan, that doesn't mean we are powerless at all to intervene in a meaningful way. But no, they wish to protest against Israël only. For lack of good reasons I can only think of the historic pattern of anti-semitism that both the extreme left and extreme right have engaged in for centuries.
And you can disagree all you want. But the fact that you disagree doesn’t mean that someone can’t be genuinely concerned about what is happening in Palestina.
I agree. I'm more than concerned and advocate military intervention against Israel, more than what most protesters demand.
My reply was only correcting the false statement that we trade more with Israël than with Russia. I'm all for standing up against Israel, but not while waving the flag of a state that hunts down gays since forever until today. Nor can I stand other hypocritical stances in some of the Free Palestine movements.
Being concerned doesn't oblige me or anyone to just follow any extremist. Kind of like some US Christians defaulting to vote for Trump just because of his abortion stance.
Do you support Nazi's just because you agree with a single issue of them? Can't I be a member of a Dutch political party, while disagreeing with some of their stances? Does the whole world have to be seen in just black and white?
You make it seem like being against Israël means one must support anyone advocating that stance. Well no thanks, I'll continue to advocate against Israel, while also advocating against extremists waving flags of governments that execute gays. I have complete freedom to disagree with both of them without being a hypocrite.
You keep going back to the point that people don’t have good enough arguments to convince you. But that doesn’t have anything to do that their arguments are good enough to convince themselves.
Your original point is that they can’t be concerned because you don’t agree with their arguments.
To stay with you example, no one could convince me that an abortion ban is a good thing, but that doesn’t mean they themselves can’t be genuinely be concerned with abortions because they can’t convince me and there is also war, disease, famine, violence and hate in the world which they do nothing about.
But that doesn’t have anything to do that their arguments are good enough to convince themselves.
Obviously. My argument and beliefs are mine, theirs are theirs. Nobody will argue with that. We can however have a debate about the arguments, like we are having.
Your original point is that they can’t be concerned because you don’t agree with their arguments.
Almost, but not quite. They can be concerned, as am I and even many former pro-israel commentators nowadays. The disagreement about their arguments, as well as the historical aspects of anti-Israel protest groups, points me towards a conclusion that there is something very wrong with these protest groups.
We can be concerned about both Israel and these protest groups at the same time. And both have their set of arguments accompanying them. Many however seem to assume it's some kind of zero-sum game with only two teams.
Even after all the sanctions, our trade volume with Russia is almost double as that of with Israël.
In 2021, the Netherlands imported 18.3 billion in trade goods from Russia. In 2024, the Netherlands imported 2,3 billion (only 12,5% of the 2021 volume).
In 2022, the Netherlands imported 1,6 billion in trade goods from Israel. In 2024, the Netherlands imported 2,1 billion - an increase in by 31 percent.
Which is bad, but isn't it obviously worse that we're still trading more with a regime that exceeds that of Israel in scale of war crimes and casualties?
The point that was made is that protesting against Israel is more important than protesting against Russia, because we trade more with the former. This statement is proven to be false.
The increase in trade is certainly a valid concern, but I don't see how that alone would lift this issue to be the most important one. And without the lack of a single reason and a truly long and impressive history of antisemitism in The Hague, I'm concerned about antisemitism and other extremism in these protest groups. Using the flag of a government that actively persecutes gays, among other reasons, further guides me to that conclusion.
Protesters aim for a change in policy. The Netherlands and the EU are already actively trying to minimize trade with Russia through sanctions. So hardly any change is needed there. The Netherlands and the EU are not actively trying to minimize trade with Russia through sanctions. So change is needed there. So that is why more people protest against our relations with Israel than our relations with Russia.
As for using the Palestinian flag, it is a flag of a nation, not of a government. Just like people waving the dutch flag at a football match don't do so in order to support the dutch housing policies.
As a sidenote - persecuting gays is not antisemitic - it is homophobic.
Minimizing trade with Russia means "we hardly need any change there?" Russia is committing war crimes at our doorstep on a much larger scale than Israël does, ànd we trade more with them than with Israel, but hardly any change is needed?
What is needed is that our government and the EU start trying to solve the problem, which isn't done by trading less. It's done by much harsher interventionist measures. Just like much harsher measures need to be used against Israel, instead of just minimizing trade. This Kremlin and this Knesset only view these actions as weakness on our side. (Threatening to) deploying military troops to the conflict zone is how you speak their language and get things done.
As for using the Palestinian flag, it is a flag of a nation, not of a government.
Ah, I see. Shall I tell the nazi's their flag was a legitimate nation's flag that can be brought out again?
And the Dutch flag... well, since the housing crisis isn't considered a war crime under the Geneva convention, and we are very seriously addressing all our war crimes from the past, I'm happy to report that it's indeed fairly unprovocative to use the Dutch flag during football and such.
As a sidenote - persecuting gays is not antisemitic - it is homophobic.
Indeed. Would you like a breakdown of the antisemitic policies associated with the flag as well? Since those are so well known, numerous and recent, I assumed that needed no further explanation. Besides, I'm personally more triggered by the homophobic element, since a gay friend of mine recently came up with a Palestine flag on his bag. Therefore that one was more on my mind.
Russia is committing war crimes at our doorstep on a much larger scale than Israël does,
I quite doubt that (or the merits of comparing the scale of war crimes). For example, Russia is not blocking all food, energy, and medical supplies from reaching Ukraine.
> we trade more with them than with Israel, but hardly any change is needed?
The national and EU government is already working to accomplish this change, because they already classify the Russian war crimes as such. Unlike Israel's actions.
Ah, I see. Shall I tell the nazi's their flag was a legitimate nation's flag that can be brought out again?
This flag came into use initially as the banner of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP)[...]. Hitler added new symbolism to the colours, stating that "[t]he red expressed the social thought underlying the movement. White the national thought", and that the black swastika was an emblem of the "Aryan race" and "the ideal of creative work which is in itself and always will be anti-Semitic. [Flag of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia]
In other words: the swastika flag started as an emblem of a specific (nazi) party, and was implemented because of its nazi ideology. That is why there is one (1) single exception where a the use of flags is widely forbidden.
And the Dutch flag... well, since the housing crisis isn't considered a war crime
That really isn't the point. Flags stand for countries, not for governments.
Would you like a breakdown of the antisemitic policies associated with the flag as well?
No, because it is not relevant. Flags in general do not stand for policies, and are not used or associated by these policies by these protesters.
There's plenty of reason to protest against Israel besides that. It just appears that some of the protest groups are more part of the problem than the solution. So as someone who is open to join protests, like against Israel, it feels there's no group I would feel comfortable associating with.
There was this large protest recently that was very orderly and nice in many ways. But then there are the countless Palestinian flags, which is a flag of a government that among other things stands for hunting down lbgtq people. I went for an anti-israel flag, but quickly left, seeing I was just walking along with people similarly misguided as what I'm protesting against.
Maybe you’re actually choosing to focus on the crimes that doesn’t contradict your opinion. Have you been the watching news, the scale of massacre that Israel is committing is far bigger than what is happening in Ukraine.
I've spoken with some of them and they can't explain why they only focus on Israël
A person's inability to fully explain a moral belief doesn't make the belief false, just as someone's inability to explain gravity doesn't make gravity untrue. Moral intuitions can be valid even without complete rationalization; validity of truth isn't dependent on one's ability to justify it.
There are many reasons as to why protesters are paying more attention to the situation in Israel than other wars:
There's far more media coverage, due to multiple reasons.
The victims and perpetrators simply look more like the people in the Netherlands.
The Palestinian-Israeli conflict has deeper and more complex roots and is more connected to the people in the Netherlands (colonialism, religion, antisemitism, islamophobia, historical role of the West).
There's huge and clear (military) power asymmetries.
Israel/IDF is presumed to be susceptible to reason and protests unlike the actors in other wars.
Ah yes, should have asked the AI.....but ok, I'll bite
amount of media coverage is a bad motivator to base your activism on
the victims certainly do not look like average people in the Netherlands, nor do the perpetrators look different from Russians.
the historical aspect is the one I mentioned first already
military power asymmetries apply to other conflicts, like Turkey and Kurds to name one even more. So yet again not a valid reason
and finally, it's very debatable if actors are more susceptible to pressure in the Israeli conflict than elsewhere. The PVV for example has slightly dumbed down on their pro-russian stance, following a loss of votes possibly connected to it.
So with no strong arguments except for historical antisemitism, it remains astonishing to me when I'm the almost only Dutch native person walking along with Kurds to protest Turkish War crimes and invasions, but when it comes to Palestine, there's much higher turn out and more fierce protest. I want to protest Israel too, but don't feel like being associated with the current protest groups.
I'm not AI. I'm just a random human with a degree in philosophy that's able to write properly, but thank you for the compliment.
amount of media coverage is a bad motivator to base your activism on
I did not assign any normative value to the aforementioned reasons. The listed reasons are not justifications; they are reasons as to why something is happening and why the behavior of these people is not entirely irrational (as you've implied).
I'm the almost only Dutch native person walking along with Kurds to protest Turkish War crimes [...] I want to protest Israel too, but don't feel like being associated with the current protest groups.
You're arguing for fighting all human right violations whilst berating and discrediting protestors that fight a particular human right violation and even accusing them of crimes (antisemitism) themselves. So it seems like you're out here on Reddit to parade your moral superiority and own moral prescriptions, which is fine, but I'm not going to further interact with you. There's a few fallacies in your previous comment and you've not fully misunderstood a few of the reasons I've listed. So go ask and debate an AI if you want to sharpen the tools in your shed.
Obviously I didn't mean to call you AI, just that part of the comment was generated by it. And it wouldn't have been a compliment, since AI today is still far from being accurate.
I did not assign any normative value to the aforementioned reasons.
I noticed that. I used the word 'your' casually, but to avoid this misunderstanding I should have used "... to base ones activism on." Furthermore I don't claim they're entirely irrational. My claim is they're hypocritical, partly misguided and possibly antisemitic.
I'm not going to further interact with you.
(..) you've not fully misunderstood a few of the reasons I've listed
Have you considered explaining what's wrong about my arguments? Simply closing the discussion with a statement that your reasons are misunderstood doesn't quite match the stance I'm used to see with anyone I know with a degree in philosophy. Yet I do apologize for associating your comment with AI, because that would frustrate me too in your shoe's and I can understand that to be reason enough to disengage. But perhaps my apology and a little plea in that it's good to be wary of AI generated answers can keep you in here?
Anyway, while all my arguments stand until refuted, let me address one of the key discussion points you mention:
You're arguing for fighting all human right violations whilst berating and discrediting protestors that fight a particular human right violation and even accusing them of crimes (antisemitism) themselves.
I'm arguing that there's something very wrong with some of the Free Palestine activism groups. Historically, it's completely normal and democratically it's completely legitimate to be wary of with which groups one would associate with. I for instance wouldn't ever support any Nazi group protesting for issues I care about, nor would many. I think much of the Free Palestine movement also has its point of gravity rooted in extremism. I see all those groups as (potential) threats to democracy and feel inspired on calling them out on their bullshit.
And for me personally, like I admitted, I am indeed frustrated to see the same protesters not show up to protest for conflicts that have more casualties, larger power disparities and more opportunities to influence. There is definitely some personal frustration here and I don't mind admitting it.
Yes, strongly against. I'm probably proposing harsher measures on Israel than most protesters. But why am I alone with ppl from Kurdish decent protesting against Turkey and with thousands when it comes to Israel? I'm arguing there's a lot of hypocrisy and antisemitism when it comes to protesters as in OP' post.
I've listed a long list of arguments that you could choose to debate, but all youve got is pointing out "Israel bad". There was never disagreement on that.
What I am accomplishinging? I'm satisfying my personal curiosity. There's a long history of antisemitism in The Hague that I've had the privilege to research during my days at the HHS.
And in an ideal world, I'd like to see anti-israel protests without Palestinian flags and antisemitism, while also seeing at least a few people turn out for protests against war crimes even greater than Israel commits.
Your thinking is that people cannot speak on one injustice if they don’t speak on every injustice. This doesn’t make any sense and is just whataboutism aimed at silencing protesters. Just like your antisemitic straw man. There’s nothing anti semitic in this picture.
That isn't my thinking, but I understand if you view it that way. It's more that I find it a healthy democratic stance to be critical about the movements you support. Just because to me the Russian threat is the single most important issue, I wouldn't stand with say Nazi's to protest for that. Just like I feel people should reconsider participating in many or some of the pro-palestine movements.
Jouw kringetje is niet representatief. De mensen die dit doen, kunnen heel goed uitleggen waarom op dit moment de focus op israhell ligt. Dat jij dat geen goede uitleg vindt, is jouw probleem.
Nee echt? Beweer ik ergens dat het representatief is?
En ik dacht al. Waar blijft het eerste troll commentaar dat alleen ingaat op het persoonlijke en weg blijft van elk argument? Het duurde even, maar als het komt, dan ook nog verrassend in het Nederlands.
Je doet het wel zo voorkomen. En hoezo ga ik niet inhoudelijk in op jouw argument dat je nooit een goede uitleg krijgt? Wil je dat ik ook elke oorlog of ander leed ga opnoemen?
Ik weet niet wat je wilt met je comments naar mij? Je brengt geen argument in, maar verwijst naar "anderen die het uit kunnen leggen" en dat het "mijn probleem is als ik de uitleg niet goed vind."
Dat is ofwel trollen of, als dat teveel eer is, een gebrek aan vermogen om een punt over het onderwerp te maken.
Ik weet niet hoe goed jouw geheugen is, maar lees je eigen opmerking eens terug. Ik reageerde op de onzin die jij uitbraakte over demonstranten die jij sprak en jou geen goede uitleg konden geven.
Dus, ofwel is je korte termijn geheugen naar de klote, of je hebt zelf geen idee waar je het over hebt.
En mijn punt staat er toch echt heel duidelijk: demonstranten kunnen heel goed uitleggen waarom zij zich op een bepaalde zaak gocussen. De rest van je whataboutisme is niet ter zake doende.
Ik koos m'n woorden zorgvuldig door te zeggen: 'they make it appear' and 'I think they.' Ik claim nergens de idioterie dat een paar mensen spreken representatief is. Is het dat je niveau van Engels wat laag is dat je die nuance niet zag en dat je daarom ook als enige op Nederlands bent overgegaan misschien?
En mijn punt staat er toch echt heel duidelijk: demonstranten kunnen heel goed uitleggen waarom zij zich op een bepaalde zaak gocussen. De rest van je whataboutisme is niet ter zake doende.
Ah ja natuurlijk. Hoe kan ik nou niet inzien dat verwijzen naar 'anderen die het begrijpen' een geweldig argument is.
En dan de inbreng van: 'je whatboutisme is niet ter zake doende.' Ook daar kom je weer heel sterk uit de hoek met een versie van 'hou je bek met je onzin.'
Is ergens een actieve breingolf waarmee je een argument kunt formuleren dat anders is dan 'opsouten' en 'ik ken iemand die het kan uitleggen?'
Ah ja natuurlijk. Hoe kan ik nou niet inzien dat verwijzen naar 'anderen die het begrijpen' een geweldig argument is.
Oh, dus je vindt je eigen argument zwak? Vond ik nou ook.
En dan de inbreng van: 'je whatboutisme is niet ter zake doende.' Ook daar kom je weer heel sterk uit de hoek met een versie van 'hou je bek met je onzin.'
Het is ook niet ter zake doende. Jij trekt het erbij zonder dat het er ook maar 1 moer mee te maken heeft.
Als jij je dsn zo druk maakt om die andere zaken, waarom heb je er dan nog niet tegen geprotesteerd? Als Hagenees weet ik nl dat er tegen alles wat jij als whataboutisme gebruikt meerdere keren protesten zijn georganiseerd. Was je daar bij?
Waarom je aanneemt dat ik niet bij andere protesten was, inclusief tegen Israel, terwijl het zelfs in deze thread valt te lezen, is niveau leip duinkonijn.
Wat betreft het enige Engelse woord dat je kent en als een soort vastlopende plaat blijft herhalen, het 'whataboutisme', daar heb ik met anderen met meer dan één breincel een uitstekende discussie over gehad binnen deze post.
Dat jij er als een halve tamme tussendoor komt is op zich wel grappig.
Protest has to be annoying, why do it if it inconveniences no one? The biggest shipping company in the world can take a bit of paint on the front door.
Wanneer free sudan? Congo Oeigoeren? Meer dan 2 miljoen doden, waar onder kinderen, geen water no one cares, nul demonstraties? Haat iedereen zwarte donkere mensen? Of gewoon haat naar vooral joden?
You will be downvoted . But reality is another geert will win. Protestors sleep in comfortable beds while their actions only make Palestine worse and worse !!
Even Jewish people from outside Israel are not supportig Netanyahu. An Auschwitz survivor (Honorary senator in my homeland) made a statement saying she has repulsion for what he's doing. Sorry I didn't find an English sauce
bruh people need to stop vandalizing for the israel/gaza war man
Its getting old, when do people realize that Hamas is still holding the hostages because it wants to prolong this war?
AND it's using the Gazan people as human shield
We didn't complain about the N4zis being bombed into the stone-age in dresden or frankfurt, so why is gaza an exception?
Moreover, gaza democratically elected Hamas AND they struck first, not israel. Gaza was never under israeli occupation and still isn't, there's no "free palastine" from israel, its just Hamas.
I admit Israel isn't perfect either and also wants to prolong the war, but Hamas isn't any different, so why should they be treated differently?
"Israël isn't perfect either" might be the biggest understatement of the year...
It's not as if you have to pick sides on who is better. Yes, Hamas have done some atrocious things, such as the kidnappings. And yes, the Israel reaction is way way overblown. How can you use the kidnappings to justify that no food and humanitarian aid can come into Gaza? We're looking at a genocide going on RIGHT NOW.
Hamas AND Israel have done some atrocious things, and Palestine civilians are killed because of it. Both parties have a responsibility to end this humanitarian catastrophe, but I'd argue that Israel's responsibility is bigger, just by the destruction and number of deaths it has caused. Both parties should fully commit to cease-fires and peace talks, but it clearly has been Israel who has violated and obstructed both.
Oh they pissed off many people with that, and then it escalated when someone went around schilderswijk and changed from the river to the sea to from the river INto the sea.
And then ofcourse windows got cracked and you know it goes. Property of innocent bystanders get destroyed.
Want alleen links veroordeelt natuurlijk genocide en het leveren/vervoeren van wapens(onderdelen) die daar aan meewerken?
Tsja, dom rechts heeft veel, maar vooral een gebrek aan menselijkheid.
Wanneer free sudan? Congo Oeigoeren? Meer dan 2 miljoen doden, waar onder kinderen, geen water no one cares, nul demonstraties? Haat links iedereen zwarte donkere mensen? Of gewoon haat naar vooral joden?
Wanneer ga je zoiets opzetten? Ik doe mee.
En waar de fuck haal jij vandaan dat links joden haat? Als je je oogkleppen eens af zou zetten, bedenk je misschien dat een protest tegen het uitmoorden van de palestijnen, geen haat voor joden is.
Als dat zo zou zijn, waarom nooit de zelfde mentaliteit voor die mensen? Daarom vraag ik mij af, haten ze joden zo erg? De arabieren sowieso die haten pride ook, omdat dat haram is. Ik ben geen activist, vind het alleen apart dat daar nooit omkijk naar is, Terwel het 10x erger is , moet lets achter zitten
Nooit?
Woon je in kutlapstradeel?
Kom eens een weekje hier in Den Haag kijken hoeveel protesten er zijn, ook voor wat jij benoemt. Misschien moet je de media eens gaan aanspreken dat ze er geen verslag van doen. Heeft geen zak met joden te maken. Maar het is goed met je, je moslimhaat spat van mn scherm en daar ben ik wel klaar mee.
ik woon in Den Haag. en ik zie ze demonteren bij de ambassade van Sudan or congo inderdaad, ik zie daar nooit die pallies :) de activisten :D the good people toch? OF ALLEEN ALS als het in hun straatje valt. ik haat moslims? haha omdat het facts zijn, ik woon op de Hoefkade, waar jij 's avonds laat niet alleen straat durft :) jochie :)
Whahaha. En waarom denk jij dat ik niet 's avonds bij mijn vrienden langs zou durven? Of bij 80% van mijn klanten thuis zou durven komen?
En wat zegt het over jouw moslimhaat dat je bij de Hoefkade woont?
En ook, wie de fuck denk jij wel te zijn om te bepalen waar iemand zich over moet uitspreken?
Maar wel fijn dat je je leugen torgeeft, met je niemsnd protesteert voor andere zaken. 🤦
Hoe kom je aan moslim haat? Ik ben zelf moslim. En dat de haram moslims het verpesten voor de goede is toch overduidelijk? En dat deze beroeps activisten steeds het goede doel verpesten met deze domme acties Of ben je achterlijk? Je hebt echt veel praatjes matie. Vanavond koningsstraat 12 uur? Neem je klanten mee misschien heb je er iets aan. Klanten 😂😂😂😂
Die support niemand, maar ga geen burgers irriteren. Kijk naar de pride, van zoveel voorstanders naar meerderen deel tegenstanders. Wanneer een demonstratie voor sudan of congo, of de Oeigoeren, 10x meer doden. No one cares.
Geboren en getogen. Maar het is ook met jou wel mooi. Je snapt weinig en voelt je snel in je kloten getrapt. Ik heb mn zegje gedaan en daar kun je het mee doen.
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u/TheS4ndm4n Jun 02 '25
Looks like Maersk is in that building (big transport company). I guess they are accusing them of shipping weapons to Israel.