r/TheLastAirbender 1d ago

Discussion In TLOK S2, the writers depicted an abusive relationship where Korra used force and verbal abuse to intimidate Mako. Fans would then later point to Mako as the toxic one.

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u/Jeoff51 1d ago

So sad how they turned the group into a love triangle.   Feels like there is barely any time where they are all a team.

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u/Xero0911 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah. Bolin never really speaks with Asami. Basically after book 1 they all do their own things until plot brings them back together. Mako with the police, Asami with her business and each season bolin is doing some crazy thing.

They are friends living their own lives. But the group never really feels like a team like gaang did

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u/Rbespinosa13 1d ago

Aang’s team was a found family that would do anything by for each other. Korea’s team is a group of coworkers that occasionally fuck each other

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u/zhion_reid 1d ago

Occasionally?

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u/Rbespinosa13 1d ago

Maybe a bit more than occasionally

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u/TheFriendshipMachine 1d ago

Did Bolin have a whole time helping her with her business while he was a mover star? Granted we don't see a lot of it on screen but there's definitely implied hanging out happening at that point. Not that off screen implied hanging out really does much to help make them feel like a proper team like the gaang.

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u/PitifulExplanation61 1d ago

There was that time they played pai sho together 

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u/TheShinyBlade 1d ago

"Played"

Asami absolutely destroyed Bolin

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u/SidTheSload 1d ago

Well, well, looks like we have ourselves a Pai-SHOWDOWN.

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u/Zone-Hopeful 1d ago

I think this is what made the second season feel so different, and imo, not as good. For all this time I couldn’t put my finger on it until I read your comment

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u/LegendOfSarcasm_ 1d ago

I liked that part, actually. It reminded me of being a teenager looking back. Angsty,, hot headed and wanting immediate gratification. I think they captured the hormonal and very turbulent teen years perfectly.

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u/TumbleWeed75 1d ago

That love triangle in the show was dumb, distracting, and it wasted valuable time that could have been used to shore up better writing in other areas.

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u/Transmatrix 1d ago

It is kind of a realistic depiction of people that age, though. Lack of perspective due to being young.

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u/Markimoss 1d ago

doesnt make it any less awful to watch

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u/TheEloquentApe 1d ago

I was 13 when Korra first dropped and I still didn't like it

Realistic depiction of teen dating/emotions or no, I still found it aggravating and annoying to watch these characters bumble their way through the love triangle and misunderstandings.

Its a trope because it makes for easy drama, but I wouldn't call it actually enjoyable to sit through most of the time. Unless of course, you're watching something romance focused, which Korra never was.

Last Airbender had more actual romance in it. Korra just had messy relationships cause they were teens, and it did nothing for the show overall

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u/SolarApricot-Wsmith 1d ago

A love triangle episode with Aang katara and that one chick from the fortune teller episode would have been more riveting and lasted more episodes

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u/SnooCompliments9098 1d ago

'Realistic' doesn't mean good or fun to watch.

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u/Psychedelic-Brick23 1d ago

I’m around that age bracket and don’t often, if ever see groups of friends devolving into shitty love triangles.

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u/Loco_Logic 1d ago

Between this, Bolin and Eska (physical and emotional abuse), Bolin and Ginger (nonconsensual kissing), Mako basically cheating on Asami (again!), and Mako gaslighting Korra after her amnesia, there was a lot of gross toxicity going on with the relationships in S2 that was mostly ignored or played for laughs.

But I agree with you OP. Korra storming Mako's place of work was especially egregious. They even followed it up with a joke about Lin trashing Tenzin's home after their breakup, just to downplay how truly awful that behavior actually was. It's one of those things where if the genders were switched, people would look at the situation very differently.

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u/SpellslutterSprite 1d ago

This whole season was so bad tbh; the Avatar Wan episode was one of the only good parts.

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

And I mean, even that... It looked great. And the story on its own was good, on a surface level. But taken in the context of the Avatar world, it doesn't add anything of value to the franchise IMO.

Never ever ever reveal the why behind a magic system, imo. It never works.

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u/Miles-Stark97 1d ago edited 1d ago

Korra's behavior in s2 was pretty nasty dont get me wrong, but the way you phrase this post and your comment makes it seem like korra is just doing this for fun

You just completely forgot to mention that Korra just found out that Mako her boyfriend snitched on her plan to get republic city ships from general iroh to go help her family and the southern water tribe during the Civil War

Her parents and all of her people lives were at risk and mako pretty much sold her out so he can be a "good cop" the way she lashed ouy you can argue is.wrong but shes justified in being pissed off at him

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u/CassianCasius 1d ago

He was asked a direct question. It's not like he ran out and told on her

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u/zoor90 Kuvira did nothing wrong 1d ago

Korra was trying to drag Mako's country into a war no one voted for under false pretenses. In essence, Korra was trying to engineer a military coup. I would certainly hope that a "good cop" would actually uphold his country's constitution and not allow the military to seize unchecked power. 

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u/SpookMorgan 1d ago

And didn’t Mako find out a whole conspiracy of bad actors lead by Varrick who wanted the war to happen so they can profit from the war and he went as far to attempt to kidnap the president to make it happen.

I think most people forgot about this plot line because somehow Varrick the war profiteer gets a redemption arc and ends up happily married while Mako is forever remembered as “Korra’s shity boyfriend.”

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u/Gathorall 1d ago edited 1d ago

Of course this show redeems the soulless war profiteer who engineers this coup, so they're morally pretty damn lost.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

She can be pissed all she wants, but that doesn't excuse her being abusive when mako breaks up with her.

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u/xkaiamir27 1d ago

Was toxic from the beginning

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u/entertainmentlord Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. And Become Wind 1d ago

Because adding context ruins the narritive.

Lets face it, anyone against this would probably act same way if the same thing happened to them

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u/LeviAEthan512 THE BOULDER CANNOT THINK OF A CREATIVE FLAIR 1d ago

No, I'm pretty sure the accepted logic is that no amount of context justifies this kind of behaviour.

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u/Content_Zebra509 1d ago

Exactly. Korra's behaviour is unjustifiably gross, and unacceptable.

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u/Mulfushu 1d ago

They weren't justifying it though, they said what she did was wrong but she was justified to be pissed.
There is nuance between excusing someone's behaviour and understanding it.

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u/Orange-V-Apple 1d ago

 weren't justifying it

said… she was justified

I think I get your point but I’d work on the wording here 

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u/Mulfushu 1d ago

I think the wording is fine! It's exactly my point. They're not justifying HER BEHAVIOUR but her FEELINGS. What she did was absolutely wrong, but she can't help the way she felt. She was justified in feeling absolutely pissed off, but should never had acted in the way she did, that's what I meant with nuance.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

It doesn't ruin the narrative. The context doesn't change the fact that korra was abusive to mako when he broke up with her. If aang did this to katara in the show people would be outraged and rightfully so. Doesn't make it any better just because the victim in this case is a man.

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u/britipinojeff 1d ago

The show also made light of it with Lin’s response about how she tore up Air Temple Island after her break up with Tenzin

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u/Arkayjiya 1d ago

If aang did this to katara in the show

No. If Katara did what Mako did she'd be reviled by the fandom and people would praise Aang for getting angry.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

No the fandom wouldn't praise aang for storming into katara's job and destroying her desk and showing abusive behavior.

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u/SmartAlec105 1d ago

Unless Katara muzzled Appa, in which case it would have been pretty understandable of him.

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u/irishdancer2 1d ago edited 1d ago

Because adding context ruins the narrative.

This reminds me of people saying Paul from Ginny and Georgia was abusive because he hit the wall next to her… after finding out she had literally murdered multiple people AND made up a fake pregnancy so he wouldn’t leave her after finding out about the murders.

Like people, please. Context matters, and even good people can have shitty reactions in extraordinary, life-ruining moments.

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u/Unpopular_Outlook 1d ago

You’re pretty much excusing abuse in the sense that it’s acceptable in certain cases 

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u/Reverse_savitar1 1d ago

Wow redditors are stupid

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u/Unpopular_Outlook 1d ago

The irony lmfao 

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u/Unpopular_Outlook 1d ago

Context means nothing. Unless you’re saying that Korra is justified in using musical intimation then what you’re doing is saying what Korra did was okay.

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

You say sold her out, I say stopped her from coopting the URs military against the will of its commander in chief.

Just because you don't like Raikos decision doesn't mean you get to just override the will of the people.

Mako was right to tell Raiko.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe 1d ago

While he probably was right, General Iroh getting involved probably would have saved the Avatar Cycle overall, and stopped Unalaq attacking Republic City as a Kaiju

The fact Raiko kept his office after constantly being passive again and again is insanity to me (even after this, where I can see the PoV kinda)

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

Or, it would have started a world war.

Regardless, though, that doesn't make her actions okay. You can't justify her actions with the potential result after the fact.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe 1d ago

Even without a lot of the later stuff, Unalaq needed putting in his place, tbh

Flipping out at her boyfriend shouldn't have been her first response ofc, but Korra is suffering from "everyone is written so badly this season" so I try not to hold it against her in the grand scheme

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u/lcplsmuchateli 1d ago

Cool justification still abusive, but of course cause it's a woman to a man you diminish, dismiss, and justify the abuse

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u/asuperbstarling 1d ago

Yeah, not sure 'almost got and maybe still might get everyone she loves killed' falls into 'relationship activities'.

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u/Vivid-Agent1162 1d ago

Yeah, she would have flipped the desk of anyone that would have done that, it's not like she was furious over him leaving the toiled seat up.

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u/MichaelJospeh 1d ago

I mean the writing in S2 was the worst by far. And all of the relationships were pretty abusive (and Korra and Mako were both terrible in any relationships). It’s really sad that people trying to write teenage relationships comes out like this.

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u/entertainmentlord Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. And Become Wind 1d ago edited 1d ago

To be fair, she had amnesia, thought they were still together. and instead of doing right thing and setting things straight. He goes along with it. Don't make the living cardboard innocent in this

Also lets not go with the excuse that he didn't want to hurt her! Its messed up no matter what because one, its really icky to pretend to be with someone just cause they don't remember and 2. If I remember correctly he and Asami were back together or close to it. So he hurts her as well

And as others have pointed out, he pretty much sold out her people. including her family.

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u/SubtleCow 1d ago

Living cardboard, bro you sent a fire bender to the burn ward

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u/entertainmentlord Let go your earthly tether. Enter the void. And Become Wind 1d ago

Then my life is complete

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u/SnooCompliments9098 1d ago

To be fair, she had amnesia

She got amnesia after this. This was the scene after she found out that Mako told The president about Korra's plan to drag republic city into a war when the President directly asked Mako if Korra was up to something.

and instead of doing right thing and setting things straight.

This was also shitty and why I dont like Mako. The Romance in Korra was just bad with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions.

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u/counterlock 1d ago

Mako being a fuckboy doesn't excuse destruction of property. Honestly, nothing really ever justifies destruction of property. It's toxic behavior from Korra

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u/Reverse_savitar1 1d ago

Im pretty sure he’s done worse

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u/counterlock 1d ago edited 1d ago

it's not a competition? what kind of logic is that.

Edit: btw if y'all are treating your relationships like a competition, hope you realize you are also toxic :) keep the downvotes coming.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

To be fair, she had amnesia,

Yes a cheap writing trick to not address this properly.

instead of doing right thing and setting things straight. He goes along with it. Don't make the living cardboard innocent in this

He isn't completely innocent but this action was done out of good intentions for her. Right?

It was mainly wrong because of how he dealt with Asami.

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u/Pelekaiking 1d ago

I’m usually a primo Korra defender but Mako is SOOOOOO over hated its insane

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u/_ASG_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

Not entirely true. At the time, there was a lot of heat on Korra's behavior in the first half of season 2, as people felt as though there was character regression for her in terms of how she was acting and treating others. She's a brash hothead, and that shouldn't change, but it reached a point that she was kinda unbearable for a bit.

As for the breaking of property and Lin talking about how she did something similar with Tenzin, all of which was played for laughs... that didn't age well.

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol, it didn't not age well, it was messed up at the time and is still messed up now.

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u/Kingcol221 1d ago

Yeah, those damn fans are always on Korra's side, I never hear any criticism of her as a character!

...that was sarcasm by the way, just in case you've never interacted with an Avatar fan before.

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u/Killjoy3879 1d ago

is this meant to prove mako isn't toxic? Mako took advantage of the fact that korra had amnesia to act like they were still together when him and asami were getting it on.

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u/MaryKateHarmon 1d ago

I always took Mako doing that to be him not wanting an angry repeat of this incident with the other characters around him not wanting him to tell Korra the truth at that moment either.

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

Huh? Mako didn't take advantage of her, he was afraid of her ripping his head off in front of everyone and lied. It was a shitty thing to do, but it wasn't him taking advantage or manipulating her in any way shape or form.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

is this meant to prove mako isn't toxic?

No. It is to point out a double standard while also showing dislike for Korra from many fans is not irrational.

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u/RhynoD 1d ago

What double standard? All the comments defending Korra are still admitting that she was wrong in her actions even if we can understand why, in the moment, get emotions got the best of her and she acted out. Ya know, just like your defense of Mako - wrong, but we can still empathize with his mental and emotional state which led him to those actions.

They're both wrong. They both had reasons, some of which are good, some of which are selfish. They are complex characters. This is called "good writing." (Love triangle notwithstanding, that was not necessarily a good writing decision.)

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u/Aqua_Master_ 1d ago

I’ll never understand audience members who want their characters to be perfect 24/7. Both Korra and Mako realized they were not good for each other. They apologized for treating each other so bad and broke up.

So what exactly is the problem? They did the right thing.

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u/Killjoy3879 1d ago

korra gets hate for kissing mako in front of bolin so you're just shouting into the void.

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u/GeerJonezzz 1d ago

OP when they snark Korra out of context on r/TheLastAirbender

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u/douroumou 1d ago

Korra was wrong for this BUT Mako DID betray her and because of his actions her tribe’s and family’s chances of getting murdered by her psychotic uncle increased dramatically. She didn’t apologise (which was wrong and bitchy behaviour) but neither did Mako. Thats why they broke up. They brought up the worst in each other and they saw it.

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u/Aqua_Master_ 1d ago

Um actually she did apologize when she got her memory of the breakup back. And Mako apologized back.

Korra: “I’m sorry for blowing up at you.”

Mako: “I’m sorry too. I think we both said things we didn’t really mean.”

Korra’s best quality is her humility. She always accepts when she makes a mistake and apologizes for it.

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u/cozybluehamster 1d ago

To be fair to Mako here, Korra's plan wasn't the best. Her solution to an ongoing conflict was to introduce a third party and hope it all works out. I'm not even sure why General Iroh agreed to it.

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u/helloworld6247 1d ago

by her psychotic uncle

That SHE chose over Tenzin and her own father and now she wants Mako to stick his neck out for her and lie to the presidents face about a general pretty much going AWOL???

Yeah no

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u/Tiny_Butterscotch_76 1d ago

She was manipulated, she realized afterwards she was wrong and that her uncle was evil. 

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u/helloworld6247 1d ago

Yes and Korra can’t be mad that she did her job poorly and now wants Mako to do the same for her.

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u/ErenYeager600 1d ago edited 1d ago

And then the writers decided to make a shitty love triangle

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u/Achilles9609 1d ago

I mean, both of them kinda sucked. And I always felt like Korra and Bolin worked a bit better anyway. I liked their little scene in the Restaurant.

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

I liked Bolin and Asami, solely based off their one scene together where Varrick got introduced, early season 2.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

No korra was the problem in their relationship here. This isn't a both sides were wrong scenario. Korra was a dick to mako throughout their relationship and escalated to abuse when he broke up with her.

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u/Tiny_Butterscotch_76 1d ago

When Korra had amnesia Mako lied to her about the fact they broke up, directly in front of the girl he was currently with at that point too. And the thing Mako did was something that actively prevented her from being able to save her loved ones and her homeland. 

Both sides were absolutely wrong. 

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u/lucky375 1d ago

That happened after their relationship ended. Korra is 100% the reason their relationship didn't work out and then exhibited abusive behavior when mako broke up with her. Mako was wrong for lying after, but that has nothing to do with their relationship. The fact that you're trying to deflect what korra did in their relationship because "well mako was for other things" is proving op's point.

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u/Achilles9609 1d ago

I don't disagree but Mako did seem to start a relationship with Asami only to go back to Korra as soon as she kissed him.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

Fans claim other fans have irrational hate for Korra but look at this.

Korra goes to Mako's place of work verbally abuses him and displays force to intimidate him. The writers use amnesia as a cheap tricl to not properly address her behaviour. When she later admits to Mako she remembers they broke up, her actions at his work place are barely addressed if it all.

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u/Xero0911 1d ago

They both sucked for different reasons.

The hate i give for mako is after this. For going back to Asami and then breaking her heart a 2nd time by pretending to korra that they are dating.

However. Mako was 100% in tge right during this example situation. Korra was for sure in the wrong, especially when mako was just being a neutral and calm party. She didnt like his answer and said he took her father's side and then they argued and broke up.

S1 and s2 korra is a reckless hothead. She matures more. S2 korra also verbally attacks tenzin since she was siding with her uncle on the spirit training. Meanwhile her father and tenzin were not supportive of it.

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u/shaunika 1d ago

Yeah Korra was wrong and everyone knows that.

Shes an overstressed teenager with the whole world on her shoulders, ofc shes gonna do dumb shit

She grew out of it slowly

Mind you Im not blaming Mako either

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u/enchiladasundae 1d ago

Korra and Aang both have their faults. Pointing them out isn’t irrational

Where it does get irrational is the jackasses who look at Korra fighting for her life suffering from poison in the process of destroying her body then say “Wow. Great job, Korra. Cutting the connection from all the avatars by yourself. How dare she do this, Aang would never”. Or other shit that doesn’t make sense

Let’s not pretend like there are some intensely stupid people out there hating on Korra for intensely stupid reasons

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u/KingOfGreyfell 1d ago

A police station, no less. Maybe it's because I'm American, but I'm amazed it didn't smash-cut to her dogpiled by the whole damn force.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

This scene happens before korra gets amnesia. Nice try though, but trying to deflect and straight up lie only proves op's point.

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u/Complaint-Efficient 1d ago

goddammit i misremembered, my bad

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

This is the scene of their break up.

this scene happens just after korra learns that mako manipulated her and lied while she had amnesia,

Do you really believe that was done with bad intention? We also know at some point she remembered and continued to cling to him as if she still believed they were together.

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u/Tiny_Butterscotch_76 1d ago

She only got her memory back when she entered the tree and empowered herself to fight Unavatuu.

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u/FENIU666 1d ago

Ohno. Katara yelled at Sokka and Toph and Aang! She's so abusive and should be hated!

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

False equivalence final boss.

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u/Ok_Surprise_4090 1d ago

A bunch of characters in their late teens and 20s: *Are generally bad at expressing themselves, appreciating each other, and keep falling in love with each other due to stress and proximity*

Fans: WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS!!?!

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u/Psychedelic-Brick23 1d ago

I’m tired of people babying people in their 20’s.

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u/KingOfGreyfell 1d ago

Said demographic tends to be shit at saving the world, so maybe true-to-life behavior isn't something we should expect of a show where teenagers save the world.

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u/Unpopular_Outlook 1d ago

Abusive tendencies can be applied to characters in their late teens and 20’x

Defenders: abuse is okay because they’re young and don’t know how the express themselves 

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u/erineline623 1d ago

No way you guys seriously think yelling at each other is abusive 😭

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u/john6map4 1d ago

Storming into your SO’s workplace and flinging their desk at the wall goes a bit further than just yelling at each other.

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u/NoMoreCactusJuice of the Water Tribe 1d ago

I don't think I've ever seen people call Mako toxic, but they definitely weren't good for each other. This is what they agreed to in the finale and respectfully parted ways.

...but I have seen people say that Makorra should've been endgame despite this, for some reason.

But in proper defense of Korra, Mako sold out her people (and to a larger extent, the world) for his job. Naturally, she's going to be livid about this

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u/KingOfGreyfell 1d ago

They have the natural chemistry of wet sand.

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u/matttheman892018 1d ago

Season 2 of Korra blows.

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u/Dis_Bich 1d ago

I really can’t get myself to finish the show. The plots are all melodramatic. I feel like they took the corpse of the old show and put makeup on it before spitting out the new show at us

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u/battlerez_arthas 1d ago

Lol, you can't abuse cops silly

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u/Teletoa 1d ago edited 1d ago

Thank you 🙏

I remember seeing this for the first time and gradually feeling worse about it. Looking back, It’s creepy how dehumanizing Mako’s writing is in later seasons too. He’s the “hot guy” who gets some solid development in S1. Then, he’s the relationship punching bag for Korra and Asami, and then the side character with no real, significant development that’s occasionally made fun of. Even his few actions near the end are really diminished.

As someone who loves and often prefers to follow side characters, which Avatar TLA might have started in me, I would have been really turned off if this is how Katara, Sokka, Toph etc developed.

Not hating on the show, I loved S1, just glad somebody separated it from the “oh you just hate Korra” ideas. Imagine Aang, in anger, pretending to fake hit Katara with the power of an avatar just to make her jump and then the show treats it like a funny bit. Then, Katara slowly becomes less opinionated, less active and just supportive of Aangs new love while getting flexed on by him and his new love interest. It was just weird.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

It’s creepy how dehumanizing Mako’s writing is in later seasons too.

Especially when you remember he was named after Mako Iwamatsu the original VA of Zuko who passed away.

Why name a character after him you plan to shit on?

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u/Teletoa 1d ago

That does age really poorly looking back. Like, it’s not even a “he’s the butt of the joke BUT that’s because it’s setting up amazing development so he can be an AMAZING fan favorite by the end” like Sokka.

My sister and I were waiting for that when he was going through the ringer in s2. She stopped watching in S2. she loved Bolin more than Mako in S1 but felt they were both disappointing in S2. I took awhile to catch on, I really loved having Avatar back.

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u/DraagaxGaming 1d ago

Poor Mako. This scene shows that men can be abused too.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

Korra was 100% the problem in their relationship, but fans will bring up what mako did after their relationship ended as if that somehow changes the fact that korra was the reason their relationship didn't work out. They can never admit that korra was the problem and became abusive once they broke up. It's always deflect deflect deflect with them.

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u/Superlhama 1d ago

Mako was just annoying and kind of stupid to me, but that's it.

But Korra went completely crazy in this book and was unbearable.

And I like Korra.

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u/soberthrowawayfairy 1d ago

You’re not wrong. My guess is that you identify with Mako; so you’re probably more forgiving of the times he is toxic. And it probably bothers you more when people point out how toxic he is.

For others that identify more with Korra it’s easier to be more understanding of where she is coming from and point out Mako’s toxic behavior.

While we can wish less time was spent on the love triangle; it’s a testament to the love of the fans that we are still hotly debating the material years later.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

My guess is that you identify with Mako; so you’re probably more forgiving of the times he is toxic

Oh no he is a piece of shit. He just doesn't have a rabid fanbase defending him constantly.

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u/Love_Lain5 1d ago

Jesus you people need to relax this is just typical cartoon humor and nothing more

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

What? It wasn't a comedic scene.

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u/Love_Lain5 1d ago

Korra hitting the table is definitely meant to be comedic, cartoons do this whenever they're showing a female character be angry

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u/JoshthePoser 1d ago

OP isn't saying that Mako didn't do anything wrong. It's just funny that if anyone is going to be painted as the abuser in the situation that it's Mako.

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u/XeronianCharmer 1d ago

Mako quite literally causes the situation that leads to this issue happening. Acting like korra is arbitrarily abusive on any random Tuesday strips any kind of nuance or context from the discussion. Mako, in one decision, essentially condemned the south and by extention her parents. This is also what allows unalaq to get a hold in the south near the spirit portals. Sorry that he desk is gonna come out his payroll, but that's the price you pay when you condemn the avatars' parents to civil war

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u/zoor90 Kuvira did nothing wrong 1d ago

Korra was trying to fabricate a war against the wishes of the people of the United Republic. We can all understand why she would she would want to do it: her family and home were under threat by an unjust invasion. However, when you step back and look at it, her plan is genuinely one of the most corrupt schemes we have seen an Avatar take part in and if it had succeed, it could very well have strangled the new government in its crib and paved the way for a military junta. 

I do not blame Mako one bit. He took an oath to uphold the rule of law and Korra was wiping her ass with his country's constitution. Is Mako also a bad guy for trying to stop Varrik from staging robberies and terrorist attacks because he was working to drag the United Republic into the same war Korra was trying to drag it into? 

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u/Tiny_Butterscotch_76 1d ago

The difference was that Korra just wanted the United Republic to step in and help with defeating Unalaq. Varrick wanted a lasting war, which would be a lot more bloody. And of course he was willing to commit more amoral actions in the name of this. 

(Admittedly I'm making presumptions there since I'm not sure how much cash he would make from a quicker intervention. But still)

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u/RecommendsMalazan 1d ago

What Korra wanted doesn't matter here. The UR elected Raiko, he's the commander in chief of the URs forces. He said no. You may disagree with his decision, but that's as far as it goes. The end.

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u/Mx-Adrian 1d ago

LOL this post includes an ad for "Toxic Avenger"

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u/coolchris366 1d ago

Uh wasn’t he also abusive? It wasn’t just one side

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u/AdCompetitive5427 1d ago

IKR! I wouldn't lable Korra as "abusive" but she was NOT a good partner to him. She has the capability to be a good partner like she is to Asami.

She was always so mean and snapping at him. I think Mako was the wrong person at the wrong time. If it were the right time maybe they'd last a lot longer. Mako fucked up when he choose his job over Korra though.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

The fanbase is too excusing of abusive relationships in the series and I get the impression it's because the victim was a male, so they don't view the abuse as what it is.

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u/Willstdusheide23 1d ago

Nobody says that, people know the love triangle sucked and it was toxic.

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u/thesoundofechoes 1d ago edited 1d ago

Domestic abuse is a pattern. Eska abused Bolin, Korra did not abuse Mako.

It’s also very telling that you do not seem to consider Mako’s manipulation of Korra (to the point of tricking her into borderline infidelity) to be abuse. According to one of the most respected experts on partner violence (Bancroft), not believing manipulation to be abusive is a very common sign of an abusive mentality.

Please don’t cheapen the lived experiences of DV victims by calling a one-time outburst, which (iirc) was a direct reaction to something serious and did not seriously harm any of the involved characters, abusive. It’s immature and counterproductive, but it’s certainly not an example of an abusive mentality manifesting as a pattern of coercive control.

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u/Randver_Silvertongue 1d ago

She never abused him. It was a toxic relationship, but neither of them was abusive.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago edited 1d ago

If a partner comes into their SOs work place, begins shouting at them and displays force by destroying things around them in a threatful way, would you view that as abuse? Especially if there is a clear difference in strength between the two.

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u/Randver_Silvertongue 1d ago

She didn't threaten him. She flipped a desk as an outburst.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 1d ago

Clearly done in a threatening way at his work place. But of course downplay it.

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u/Randver_Silvertongue 1d ago

How was it in a threatening way? It's consistent with Korra‘s personality to take it out on inanimate objects when she loses her temper. There are no threatening undertones in this scene nor is there any indication that she was willing to hurt Mako.

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u/counterlock 1d ago

I'm sorry, but being destructive to anything person or material things is threatening. Are you saying it's not a threat when someone gets so mad they punch a wall in anger? Scream in your face? Come to your place of work and cause a scene, and destroy work property? This is all ignoring the fact that she's insanely powerful, and should be much MUCH more in control of her temper. What if that desk hit one of his coworkers?

Korra was toxic and abusive in this scenario. Mako being a fuckboy does not excuse her behavior.

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u/lucky375 1d ago

She 100% was abusive and she's the reason the relationship was toxic in the first place.

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u/Animefox92 1d ago

They were both pretty toxic? Also Mako's two timing with Asami was incredibly shitty (and as Lin said that was nothing compared to what she did lol Korra only broke a desk she wrecked an entire island

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u/BentheBruiser 1d ago

"the love triangle was a waste"

Show me a group of teenagers who haven't developed feelings for one another

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u/VampArcher 1d ago

I see that more as the character writing for Korra being atrocious in B2, she is just not written the same. The flawed, but more nuanced protagonist from B1 got replaced with a cliche, whiny teenage girl character that was on every other boomer sitcom who would threaten violence as the first solution to any problem. Most of what she does is pretty indefensible. I can still like Korra in Book 3 and 4.