r/TheSilphRoad • u/Azza67 • Aug 10 '25
Discussion Compensation for issue on shiny rate on OF Dialga and OF Palkia raids confirmed
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u/King_Drago Aug 10 '25
Do affected trainers include those who remoted in to raids when event didnât start locally?
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u/TheRealHankWolfman UK & Ireland - Yorkshire - Mystic - L50 Aug 10 '25
Yes
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u/YourEskimoBrother69 USA - Midwest CST lvl 40 Aug 10 '25
I assume affected is anyone who raided even if they got a shiny?
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u/TheRealHankWolfman UK & Ireland - Yorkshire - Mystic - L50 Aug 10 '25
Certainly anyone who raided before this tweet went out was subject to the incorrect shiny rates, regardless of if they got lucky to get a shiny or not. I'm not sure how long after this tweet went out that it took for the issue to be fixed, but I can say that we had abysmal shiny rates for the first two hours of the event in the UK for sure. Most people went home after that point.
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u/IAmTheDoctor34 Aug 10 '25
I'm not actually sure it was ever fixed.
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u/Ir0cz Aug 10 '25
It wasn't, i did 80 raids, got 1 shiny.
To be fair, after raids ended at 17:00, i kept doing more raids where i still found them, got 2 more shinies out of those last few i did.
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u/eddiebronze SavingMyShields4NextSeason Aug 10 '25
Probably going to be everyone for the entire event. Community Ambassadors stating it's still not fixed as it starts in later time zones.
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u/rb6k Aug 10 '25
Itâs so weird that they treat this like itâs a button they turn off and on and someone has forgotten to turn it on so many times. Like if that is the case, maybe add a layer to set the dates and times in advance and do that job at the same time the ads are generated??
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u/CardInternational512 Aug 10 '25
To be fair, from a development perspective (as a developer), it probably is pretty close to pressing a button. That said, it's definitely inexcusable for it to keep happening.
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u/inbeforethelube Aug 10 '25
Nah itâs pure laziness. At this point that they donât have an internal tool to set all these variables that are required for an event so they arenât forgotten is plainly insane for a company this size. Iâve seen more sophisticated Access dbs.
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u/CardInternational512 Aug 10 '25
I totally agree lol. Events like this that are so routine/frequent should have some kind of automated build/deployment process so things like this don't happen, especially from a company this size like you said. I could give them the benefit of the doubt if it happened once or twice for something that is brand new, unique, or very rarely happens, but even then, it really shouldn't.
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u/rb6k Aug 10 '25
Even if they canât do it automatically, they could make it abundantly clear that the person responsible for doing this stuff needs to not make the same mistake so frequently this should be a key part of their performance review etc, if they miss it twice it should have lead to a development plan, investment etc.
It must cost them a lot of money to basically write off the first few major time zones.
Tbh though while I write this - I fully expect this to be one of those ridiculous situations where due to their solution being a âdo overâ event every time, they probably make a lot of profit from these âmistakesâ. Which leads them to bake do-overs into their event planning intentionally.
Otherwise theyâd be postponing legitimate events to allow for make up days etc.
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u/ArcticWolfl Aug 10 '25
No, it MAKES them a lot of money. Whales will keep going until the hundo/shundo or whatever they're chasing. If the odds are lower, they'll keep going longer. If afterwards they'll have to be compensated with in game stuff, that doesn't cost Niantic anything. This is on purpose.
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u/CardInternational512 Aug 10 '25
And honestly, let's say all the work related to this event was done in a single pull request/branch (which that is also a red flag on its own). Even if that were the case, there was definitely some laziness/carelessness to not have it be done in the branch, and even more on top of that assuming they have people reviewing these things before it gets merged
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u/suycidee Aug 10 '25
Yea I am starting to think as well that this isnt a "mistake" anymore. It just happens too frequently, especially with raid events. They let people raid a lot for shinies, then go "oopsie" because many players pay for a lot of raids (up to 40+). Would they have payed for so many if they had gotten a shiny after just two raids? Probably not.
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u/Wunyco Aug 10 '25
It's basically been happening since events started. It's not every event, but probably more have goofs than go fine.
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u/suspicious_Jackfruit Aug 10 '25
Yup it's crazy that this game is powered by interns setting variables
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u/KlayverSF Aug 10 '25
It looks like its made on purpose, and if nobody complains they just move on and never bring the issue up
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u/Snorr0 Aug 10 '25
Uhm as a developer: its absolute nonsense that this is hard to automate. Not having done so at this point is purely a result of unwillingness to improve. Which in turn can only be explained by the fact that money still is flowing in like crazy so why would they improve their shitpile of a codebase?
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u/Yannickjuhhh Aug 10 '25
Depending on how the code is written, its literally changing a 2 (20) to a 1 (10), or a 5 to a 10 (2 whole button presses holy crap)
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u/summonsays Aug 10 '25
I work on systems that our users make advertisements for a department store. There's a lot of complexity that goes into making sure an item goes on and off of sale at the proper times in the proper places. And yet, we do it, sometimes hundreds of times a day. Having something advertised as on sale and not properly flagged in our system is unheard of. We could get into legal trouble for such a thing so there like 20 layers of people that sign off on them.
We sell flipping t-shirts.... I don't understand why a tech company can't figure it out lol
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u/Natanael_L Aug 10 '25
Because they don't see the actual game elements as a core part of their business
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u/Daidalos77 Aug 10 '25
How the fk can they forgot to turn on arguably the most important feature of a raid day is beyond me. Like you would have thought at some point before the event someone in the team would have thought to double check if the 1/10 shiny rate is turned on.
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u/Canadianboy3 Aug 10 '25
Think they are hiring? Only place Iâve heard of where you can consistently mess up and have a job only to make the same mistake a week or two later.
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u/NinsMCD Western Europe Aug 10 '25
This is Pokemon Go's 43rd Raid Day and they still manage to mess things up
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u/PreddyPegasus Australasia Aug 10 '25
Would you happen to know how many of those 43 raid days have been a success/no screw-up? I would genuinely be surprised if it was over 50% success
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u/NinsMCD Western Europe Aug 10 '25
I've only played since Kleavor Raid Day, but I know the last 2 and Hisui Samurott are screw ups from the top of my head
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u/ArcticWolfl Aug 10 '25
Definitely wasn't fixed in GMT+1, so give us a bunch of encounters and we'll call it even.
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u/No-Step6820 Asia Aug 10 '25
how did the make up encounters work for the beasts?
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u/ArcticWolfl Aug 10 '25
I think it was a timed research (looong deadline) with as many encounters as affected raids you did. I snagged a shiny out of that.
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u/Kuliyayoi Aug 10 '25
So you could get a research with over 50 encounters?? That's crazy. But imo fair.
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u/ArcticWolfl Aug 10 '25
Well, they shafted people out of that many passes with mediocre odds, so it'd be the least they could do.
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u/dontfearthenoob Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 10 '25
Getting real sick of being beta testers for a game that's been out for almost a decade.
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u/Thanky169 Aug 10 '25
They have been reducing dev resources before Scopely... hope that trajectory changes otherwise get used to being alpha tester...
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u/atrain728 Aug 10 '25
For what itâs worth, this shouldnât be in code. This should be in configuration somewhere, none of this is a new feature.
âShouldâ being the operative term.
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u/Psychological-Tax801 Aug 10 '25
This. I'm shocked by how this is even happening when this should just be a matter of a scheduled task updating configuration. It's not that difficult. It happens so frequently though, that I have a difficult time believing that shiny odds aren't hardcoded somewhere.
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u/PreddyPegasus Australasia Aug 10 '25
If it wasn't for the fact that this game came out in 2016, I would have sworn this game was AI written code
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u/Sloth-TheSlothful Aug 10 '25
If its anything like my company, then at least 20% of the codebase is now AI
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u/Drew_Ferran Aug 10 '25
Plus, they had the event already. Itâs already coded into the game. Why are there bugs?
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u/SkiUMah23 Aug 10 '25
Technically wasn't it identified for them?Â
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u/Thanky169 Aug 10 '25
They joined the dots between millions complaining and them having to do something and forgetting đ¤Ł
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u/psyentist15 Aug 10 '25
I mean, the Japanese players literally pooled the data for them, lol
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u/Thanky169 Aug 10 '25
Yep I mean honestly what is Niantic doing... They advertised a boost. Why is it so hard to check off the boost bonuses???
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u/bigbobbatea Aug 10 '25
IMO its really not hard to check if the bonusses are active (especially when its the 48th raid day). I think it was them just scamming the playerbase so people wont do max 10 raids and leaving it at the first shiny.
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u/Icy_Armadillo4188 Aug 10 '25
Bruh I bought the ticket because they advertised that the shiny rate would be boosted đ
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u/SHAWNDlDlT Aug 10 '25
Honestly at this point I feel like they're doing it on purpose JUST to have another event so they can make more money. I'm prolly wrong. But if this IS the case, then why not just tell us up front? Transparently, they don't.
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u/csinv Aug 10 '25
If they gave you the shiny boost, people might have stopped raiding once they got one. Much better to "forget" the boost, then compensate later. Not by giving you your money back though, don't be silly.
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u/duel_wielding_rouge Aug 10 '25
I donât think itâs on purpose exactly, but there is evidently not a strong enough financial incentive for them to prevent these recurring issues. If they felt these were losing them money Iâd expect the quality assurance to be a higher priority.
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u/hanleymation Aug 10 '25
I've been skeptical ever since I saw fewer people get shiny Zacian/Zam for Go Fest... Now I'm not saying they are, but I can't help ponder the idea that they're just telling us the odds are increased when they really aren't, and only "discovering" these mistakes when the community calls them out. Just thinking.
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u/YouYongku Asia Singapore 1707 6584 0224 Aug 10 '25
compensation means what?
I thought they will just do a make up day HAHAHA
probably same as necrozma and ultra beasts "make up" encounters
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u/ResponsibilityNo5716 Aug 10 '25
It better be free encounters, if they just do a âmake upâ day they deserve to be sued
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u/No-Step6820 Asia Aug 10 '25
how did the make up encounters work for the beasts?
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u/minvante Aug 10 '25
research task with same number of encounters as your used up raid passes
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u/iPHD08 Aug 10 '25
So including the free dailies? And from the ticket?
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u/Dago_Duck Aug 10 '25
It was only for missed backgrounds with Kyurem.
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u/PrimeWolf88 Aug 10 '25
If Niantic apologies were currency the company would be more profitable than ever.
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u/gtdinasur Aug 10 '25
What would even be a good compensation? I used 10 passes already plenty people used more. There is no way they give us both guaranteed shinies with adventure effect moves so this sucks. Does this mean the shiny rate is fixed now and boosted or should I wait before using any more remote passes.?
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u/Kuliyayoi Aug 10 '25
You should wait. Once the issue is fixed someone will post a new thread here saying it's been fixed. Or you can keep eyes on this link. https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/6-pokemon-go/faq/5197-incorrect-appearance-rate-for-shiny-origin-forme-dialga-and-origin-forme-palkia-in-raid-battles-during-the-ultra-unlock-raid-day/
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u/nivusninja Aug 10 '25
they'll probably fart out timed research encounters with equal number of encounters as you did raids+boosted odds. so if you did 4 palkia and 7 dialga, you would get those encounters again for free.
or they do a raid day again. who knows.
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u/HI_I-think Aug 10 '25
They better not do a raid day, that would be totally insane after so many people used money for this event already đ
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u/shadraig Western Europe Aug 10 '25
I did 7 with the free tickets, and one with a green.
I don't expect Niantic to compensate me for the missing shiny -} I would expect Niantic to be a decent company and compensate me for the time I spend NOT getting a shiny because they fluffed again
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u/Overall-Mud-840 Aug 10 '25
Isn't there a backlog on these promises since we're still waiting on the Kyurem makeup promise?
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u/Wambat789 Aug 10 '25
âWeâre sorry for the inconvenience. To compensate affected players, there will be a Mankey Community Day at the end of the monthâ
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u/Alextricity Aug 10 '25
EXCLUSIVE Mankey Community Day -- wearing a fun Palkia or Dialga hat!
*can not evolve.
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u/DangleWho Canada Aug 10 '25
Bruh how do they manage to do this every single time? You think they would learn after the first 25 times it happened.
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u/Translunarien Aug 10 '25
I wish those news were posted in game! Really bad experience again for our little group of people. Yes we know it's all RNG but we spent 4 hours, our passes and got 1 shiny each for 40-45 raids
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u/TheLastDoomfist Aug 10 '25
Glad to see that my misfortune wasn't just bad RNG. 57 raids and 2 shinies. 5 shinys would be on rate, potentially 6 if lucky
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u/H-R-M- Aug 10 '25
I read that as "only fans Dialga and only fans Palkia"
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u/RavenousDave UK & Ireland L50 - Valor Aug 10 '25
Rule #34 says you are correct.
Failing that, rule #35 says you will be soon,
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u/ishrajl Aug 10 '25
Glad I wasn't the only one. I thought there was a much different paid event somewhere that I missed
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u/Hamburglar219 Aug 10 '25
GreatâŚcanât wait to be compensated with a 2 star shiny that doesnât even know the adventure move. I get a free shiny is a free shiny but the RNG with event is already insane and a shiny without the move is essentially getting a shiny male combee from earlier this week lol
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u/Dago_Duck Aug 10 '25
Today really felt like they didn't just forget about increasing the shiny rate, but they reduced it instead.
I got 2/75, someone else got 1/70, there was 1/41 and the best rate someone had was 5/86.
Including data from the japanese data website which had a ~3.7% rate, makes me think instead of removing 10 from the odds, they instead added 10, so from 1/10 (usual rate) to 1/30.
I know that this shouldn't be how it works in code, but only the devs themselves know just what kind of abomination is hiding behind the front end.
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u/kingofthedesert USA - Northeast Aug 10 '25
I wish they would "forget" to make the special move random.
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u/zetsurin Australasia Aug 10 '25
Yeah, it's funny how their "bugs" always work in their favour and not ours.
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u/papa_jon11 Aug 10 '25
At this point, I donât even feel like itâs a mistake on their part. They get their initial numbers from the earlier time zones. See the backlash online, and post some nonsense so that it doesnât make the later time zones not want to play. Itâs a joke.
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u/zetsurin Australasia Aug 10 '25
Pretty sure this would be considered a violation of various gambling laws around the world. I'm surprised the company hasn't been sued yet.
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u/xalazaar Aug 10 '25
I'm glad I can't even afford to care about playing these days so I don't have to suffer these compensations
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u/Marconius1617 Aug 10 '25
At this point , canât it just be assumed that this is deliberate? Get folks to chase the shiny with passes and then apologize after
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u/IndependenceOk9829 Aug 12 '25
Do you want my theory? People were extremely pumped for it, expecting shinies. You purposely lowered the rate, people spend a fortune chasing them, afterwards you say my bad and do some BS compensation that isnât worth close to the amount of resources and actual money we spent. Am I getting warm?
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u/shadraig Western Europe Aug 10 '25
I think the compensation will be troublesome for people that did 50 raids.
Niantic has become a shady company that isn't able to run events right, AND in the end just grabs your money and runs. "here's xy compensation"
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u/minvante Aug 10 '25
I know people who did close to 100 raids and like 1 shiny đ
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u/JackBlacksWorld Aug 10 '25
Something tells me it's intentional at this point, like in a malicious sort of way. Always got that vibe from Niantic that they actively dislike their PoGo community.
That Slakoth makeup event they did only in Europe, literally during Dortmund GO Fest, just always stands out in my mind as a prime example of that.
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u/shadraig Western Europe Aug 10 '25
I am sure many people expected that Niantic would have problems with the shiny rate. It was a big topic before here. Niantic does read here. And still, they fumble
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u/Routine_Size69 Aug 10 '25
Can you elaborate on the slakoth event? I'm not familiar with
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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 Aug 10 '25
What about the players that got a shadow regirock raid day instead as soon as it turned 1100?
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u/theblackswordsmann Aug 10 '25
wait how?
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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 Aug 10 '25
All the raids that dropped were 15mins of shadow regirock for about 3 suburbs. Next 5 star egg hatched after an hour. About 30-40 people had to relocate to play palkia/dialga raids
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u/Kuliyayoi Aug 10 '25
Am I the only one that thought of something else when seeing OF acronym?
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u/TaratronHex Aug 10 '25
Does this include the people who remote raided before their day?
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u/Lost_Afropick Western Europe Aug 10 '25
40 raids done, one of each shiny (without the moves lol)
Ah well
I was in two locations today, both with big turnouts, 40+ people and raided from 11am to about 4:30pm. Very very few shinies. Haven't seen it like that before
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u/visheyry Detroit, MI Aug 10 '25
"We have identified..." like they figured it out themselves and didn't see the multitude of reports and posts from players.
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u/Stilgar69 Aug 10 '25
So did they not bother switching it back on? I thought they would fix it and then compensate the affected time zones but we just finished the day (US East Coast) and my group of about 16 people did around 30 raids each and nobody got more than 1 shiny some getting none.
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u/pnmartini Aug 10 '25
The cynic in me thinks these âmistakesâ are planned when raid pass purchases dip.
Of course I have no proof, but at this point it almost has to be intentional.
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u/Aker666 Galicia, Spain | Level 46 Instinct Aug 10 '25
The game is about to turn 10 years old and they still have these bugs. The code for that game must be a joke if you could read it.
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u/sir_villy đ¨đż Aug 10 '25
I did 14 in-person raids and got 3 shinies. Was I just lucky? Seemed normal to me (or maybe it was fixed? I did it 13:00 CEST (4 hours ago).
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u/Zamtap Somerset Aug 10 '25
there are several aspects that compensation needs to consider, those who brought the ticket, those who used paid passes premium or remote, and those who stopped when the discovery of the issue was found but not noted as fixed. its not as simple as rerun the event or give encounters in research
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u/elsteeler Aug 10 '25
Best they can do is a research with premium pass, one of each form, and 10 Poke Balls
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u/chrisbugnacki Aug 10 '25
How will they know weâve been affected? Is there anything we have to do to make it know ?
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u/Js_506 Aug 11 '25
Might be an obvious question but, compensation is for everyone right, not only those who bought the ticket? From what I understood the boosted shiny odds were for everyone and thats how it usually is on raid day
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u/Dilligaf_22 Aug 11 '25
Looking forward to my compensation and still not getting a shiny after having done 40+ raids yesterday
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u/new2lombard Aug 11 '25
On the 10 year anniversary a special pop up will read âthank you for participating in the open beta.â
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u/PassageOdd3828 Aug 14 '25
I hope they just give everyone an encounter itâs ridiculous it cost them nothing and more people will want to play if they have better mons
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u/CherrySarath Aug 10 '25
After wasting lot of passes we will get stardust as compensation. What else can we expectfrom these idiots
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u/TheComrades Aug 10 '25
They are usually pretty fair in their compensation. Like getting the same amount of legendaries encounters basic with a shiny boost or just giving out free shinies. So Iâd wait and see what happens
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u/dukkha87 Aug 10 '25
does this mean they've fixed the shiny rate for the rest of the event? or that they have just "identified" the issue
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u/EXGShadow Brazil Aug 10 '25
Now to see if they'll do another raid day as compensation, because there are not many eventless weekends ahead..
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u/RandomAnon700 Aug 10 '25
How do they know who to compensate? I did a Palkia raid twice and no shiny so does that mean they just see I did that and Iâm on the list?
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u/nasaculrj Aug 10 '25
I did 20 raids but stopped when i only encountered 1 shiny. Maybe they could do another raid day next week?
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u/yuka15 Aug 10 '25
Knowing from our community that the odds weren't on raid day level I didn't bought the ticket. How will they remake it for people who spend money on passes in mass?
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u/baleong Aug 10 '25
I donât even want the shiny anymore, just give us back our passes as I donât want to catch anymore with the special moves
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u/ImGoingToMarryDVa Aug 10 '25
American in Central Time Zone here... do I even bother leaving my home for this? I was going to go to a place that is very busy and guaranteed 20 ppl for every 5* raid...
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u/Interesting_Low_2658 Aug 10 '25
They had better not miss me with the compensation, im already owed from the elite tm glitchÂ
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u/Sad-Pain915 Aug 10 '25
Has it been fixed? Are the odds 1/10 now in north america?
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u/dontperceive USA - Mountain West Aug 10 '25
Have they fixed it or are leaving it broken and only doing compensation?
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u/Available_Athlete_97 Aug 10 '25
Is this only for Australia or is it for everyone? I did get a one shiny but only did 5 raids so not a great example in the us btw
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u/ItsChrisHickman Aug 10 '25
Oh thank goodness. I did a dozen palkia raids and gave up. I had assumed the ratio would be 1:5 like the previous Zamzenta/Zacian raids...
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u/BigSmoke987 Aug 10 '25
Dude, 50 raids and only got one shiny at all, didnât even have the special ability
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u/iluvugoldenblue Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 10 '25
How many times does it need to be said. THEY JUST DONâT CARE.
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u/Carlos061 Aug 10 '25
1/7 Palkia and 0/30 Dialga. I might just be unlucky but I donât think they fixed it
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u/AmazingTortuga Valor Lvl 50 Aug 10 '25
I am also curious if "those affected" included us in the United States. Between 3 of us doing 16 raids each together (I did one extra remote raid, so 49 total) and I got 2 shiny palkia and the other two got 0 of anything... So, roughly a 4% rate... Seems broken still.Â
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u/FickleJump4984 Aug 10 '25
How will you know if u get compensation? Like idk if i had 1/20 or 1/10 cus i got pretty lucky with shinies (which i havenât been in months not even before kyurem) Like if it just was pure luck i still want compensation but how do i know if it was?
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u/Turndizzy Aug 10 '25
Just finished the event in my area and did almost 75 raids... immediately came to reddit to see if what I suspected was true. I am so sad and frustrated.
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u/razisgosu USA - Northeast Aug 10 '25
Did they fix this for NA? My group just went 1 in 45 for shinies. While thats not too far outside the realm of possibility it is way above 1 in 10 for raid days.
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u/Animefanatic781 Aug 10 '25
The compensation should be at least 20 Dialga or Palkia O encounters (depending on how much you did)
Example: you did 50 raids you get 50 encounters with which ever one you raided.
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u/DrVonPretzel Aug 10 '25
Played with 3 other people in east coast USA and we collectively went 1/66 so I donât think they ever fixed it.
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u/DoctorOZempic Aug 10 '25
I just did 141 raids and got 7 shinies. That is roughly 1 in 20. Looks like they didn't bother fixing it for the EST time zone either.
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u/Corycorcor Aug 10 '25
40 palkia raids and one shiny. My husband did the same amount and didn't get one at all. These were not boosted odds
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u/macschwag14 Aug 10 '25
I went in knowing that the shiny rate was not boosted and it still left a sour taste after playing today. In-person was 0/35 shiny and only 3/35 had the flipping adventure effect. Maybe the 3 that I lost to the game locking up when the boss was in the ball and then being unable to be recovered after force closing the game had the move...
Yesterday my remote raids were 1/5 shiny and 3/5 with the adventure effect (including the shiny). I should have quit then.Â
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u/Austinmg11 Aug 10 '25
Yeah I did over 40 raids and not one shiny. How are they going to compensate that? With another raid day that you have to use your regular/remote passed on again trying to get the shiny that was supposed to be increased rate?
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u/Cocoemrakul28 Aug 11 '25
Give us the encounters at the correct shiny rate and guarantee the moves for these special encounters.
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u/LtDeadpool361 Aug 11 '25
I can remember an earlier post from the APAC region where trainers were saying the shiny rate wasn't boosted based on user submitted data. Turned out they were correct.
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u/twonaantom UK Aug 10 '25
Hopefully they will just give us the encounters like they did before with the ultra beasts đ