r/TheSilphRoad • u/gamesntech • Aug 11 '25
Discussion The "make up" better be equal number of encounters
We're all used to Niantic (Scopely now?) screwing up most events in the early time zones. I really feel bad for fellow NZ/AU players but even they probably don't care any more. But this Ultra Unlock Raid Day is the worst of all.
First off, it's just a raid day like any other. I guess you can call anything "Ultra Unlock" but IMO for this to be called Ultra Unlock it has to guarantee special moves or at least have increased chances of getting the special moves.
Almost always in the past, once they recognize the screw up, the issue is fixed/patched for the rest of the time zones. That definitely DID NOT happen this time. This is screw up on top of a screw up. When they made the admit post they should have at least mentioned this.
The usual joke among players is there will be a "make up day" or a few raid passes and stuff like that. Maybe a small number of players even prefer make up day so they can go crazy raiding again but for everyone else none of this is ACCEPTABLE. people wasted a lot of time and money on this event.
So bottom line, the only acceptable make up for this event is giving EVERYONE the same number of encounters off of a research as how many raids they have done (with the right shiny odds obviously).
I obviously don't know what they will do and maybe most people will shrug it off and continue as well but I sure hope people will be vocal enough to NOT let them get away with a ridiculous compensation.
I will be honest, if any business pulled off stunts like these, there is definitely bound to be class action suits. Maybe it's time to think about one.
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u/nolkel L50 Aug 11 '25
We're all used to Niantic (Scopely now?) ...
It's still Niantic. Niantic Games is a subsidiary of Scopely.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Ah interesting. I was wondering why the startup logo still says Niantic. That makes sense.
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u/OwnerOfMyActions Aug 11 '25
Seems weird that they haven’t changed the logo to Niantic Games tho. Seems like Niantic Spatial (the other half) should have made them do it by now.
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u/infocone Aug 11 '25
They have a new logo thou so maybe thats why. Their group website doesn’t even link to ingress etc (ingress site does have Niantic Spatial copyright at bottom)
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u/Equality7252l USA - Wisconsin Aug 11 '25
I believe it's because the dev team hasn't had their new name officially decided on
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u/VerainXor Aug 11 '25
It's not "still Niantic" strictly; Niantic SPLIT into "Niantic Games" (which is as you say, now a fully owned subsidiary of Scopely) and "Niantic Spatial", which still runs some games- Ingress and Peridot.
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u/littleheaven70 Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 11 '25
The NZ players I know (myself included) definitely do still care. We are no longer surprised when stuff like this happens - in fact, we expect it. But it doesn't get any less annoying; it gets more infuriating with each error. I don't understand how we can be heading towards the 10th anniversary of this game and still having the same issues we were more than five years ago (apparently the first shiny that was not turned on or boosted was broken heart Spinda in February 2020). I get that mistakes happen, but it appears no effort goes into ensuring they aren't endlessly repeated.
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u/Outrageous_Moose_152 Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 11 '25
Agreed. I've stopped raiding like I used to due to the errors since the Rayquaza raid day. Friends of mine drove over half an hour away to raid it, only for it to not be turned on. My group went 1/30 yesterday with dialga; luckily, it also had the special move. I just assume it's not right now. I used to remote raid, but after losing passes going from my friends list and not getting reimbursed, I stopped.
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u/Keanununa Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 11 '25
Expect the worse (nothing to work and get compensation) and pray for the best (the game to work as intended - the bare minimum)
Us Kiwis are no longer surprised but we care a lot
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u/MistyCeruleanCity Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
The easiest solution is to give everyone who participated, a completed timed research encounters based on the numbers of the raids completed, at the corrected shiny rate.
Last time they did something this, it was timed to be redeemed in one year's time.
I have forgotten which actual event it was, but remember reading here that the solution was very fair.
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u/TheComrades Aug 11 '25
They did this for necrozma. Hopefully they give us an extra xl candy with it
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u/Doompatron3000 North Florida Aug 11 '25
They also did this for the Unova Legendaries, which that error was far better and exciting that the Unova Tour was.
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
This is the most likely solution, but what about the players who didn’t want to spend time and passes on raids that weren’t shiny boosted (as advertised), in hopes of a make up event?
Those players get punished due to Niantic’s error and lack of communication?
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u/Routine_Size69 Aug 11 '25
Great point. Their inability to communicate a solution quickly really screwed people over. I wonder if they didn't want people knowing this and going extra hard, knowing they'd get a two for one on all their raids.
I'll be honest. If I knew I was going to get an extra encounter on every raid, I would've stayed and done 20 more.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Yeah this is definitely a valid viewpoint. I don’t really know how many people actually did this. Like I said we’re used to these issues getting fixed for later time zones so we didn’t even think it was still screwed up until it was too late. Regardless if they do both I don’t think anybody would complain! Not holding my breath though.
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u/GhanimaAtreides Aug 11 '25
This was me. I had plans for most of the raid day but was going to be free for the last hour and a half. I planned to do as many as possible. Once I saw that they had messed up the event I only did one of each. I didn’t bother to buy the ticket or waste any more passes. I kind of figured there would be a make up event where I’d rather spend the passes then. If they only let us retry raids we already did welp that sucks for me.
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u/toiavalle Aug 11 '25
Or the players who did 50 raids but just wanted one shiny of each and could have stopped at 30 if the odds were correct
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u/vaginawithteeth1 USA - Northeast Aug 11 '25
I’m seriously wondering if a lot of people didn’t play the event because of this. On a typical raid day or event near me we usually have at least 20 people. Yesterday, there was only 9 of us and three of those people were people I brought with me who usually aren’t there. Everyone was confused where all the people were because it was supposed to be a fairly big event. I mean, we had 18 people for Hoopa raid day and that was in the middle of a snow storm in Feb. Very strange. I played because I assumed it would be fixed and only an issue for NZ/AUS.
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u/marsalien4 Aug 12 '25
We had fifty people show up. The shiny rate was a draw, for sure, but the Pokémon themselves are valuable on their own. Lots of new players, players wanting to max the ones they have, just needing the move, etc etc.
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u/vaginawithteeth1 USA - Northeast Aug 12 '25
Oh yeah! I was playing regardless because I needed XL candies for Palkia and rare XLs were my main focus. Just very weird how small the turn out was and I’m wondering if people decided against playing because of the shiny rate error. Or maybe they were just on vacation/busy, who knows!
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u/_lablover_ Asia Aug 11 '25
It's not possible to make everyone happy hear. Any players that didn't raid because they saw it didn't have the boosted rate would be unhappy with timed research that gives encounters based on the number of raids (or one tenth/twentieth as many but all shiny) because they would want a make up day. Anyone who did go out and raid anyway will be upset with a make up day because they already spent resources. Someone is going to be disappointed.
I tend towards give the encounters. If you decided not to raid then you made your choice. Especially considering there is a track record of giving the encounters in situations like this. You missed an opportunity, but you didn't waste any resources.
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u/dark__tyranitar USA | Legacy 40/50 | Shinydex 760 Aug 11 '25
You can't get a free cheeseburger unless you buy a cheeseburger.
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u/justinator119 Aug 11 '25
This is a pretty weak analogy. The raid ticket was available in the shop well before the actual start of the event. Restaurants also sell food and this is a freemium game. There's nothing free about restaurants unless you have a specific coupon for something free (which usually comes with something paid lol) and that's 100% different from a mobile game that is free at base. There's a reason lots of mobile game devs give out universal compensation even when only specific groups were affected. I don't think anyone is saying that people who did a bunch of raids shouldn't be adequately compensated for that, but a free game running a free event is extremely different from what you're describing, especially when you also throw the raid ticket into the mix. Your analogy is more like if fast food places had a way to earn free burgers over time without paying (or just buying the burger straight up) and also had a ticket you could buy for extra toppings whenever you get a burger, and they one day ran an event where people could try to get special toppings on their burger (paid or otherwise) but then announced in advance of the event for most people that restaurants had actually been sent a fraction of the toppings they were supposed to have gotten from corporate so anyone who went was less likely to get those special toppings. Except in this case, unlike the restaurants that can't just have the extra toppings teleported to them, PoGo should have the ability to fix these problems as the event is going on (and as someone else pointed out elsewhere, it did seem like they lightning fixed a bug that was benefiting players while not fixing the shiny rate). The restaurant would probably end up running the event a second time as make up, so I'm not sure why everyone's fine with PoGo getting away with far less. These bugs are embarrassingly bad and embarrassingly common, so holding them to such a low standard doesn't make sense to me.
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u/dark__tyranitar USA | Legacy 40/50 | Shinydex 760 Aug 11 '25
What they were saying was that people that did not particpate (raid or buy a ticket) because they heard about the issues will miss out on compensation.
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u/justinator119 Aug 11 '25
I understand exactly what both of you were saying and I addressed it in my reply. My point was that the analogous burger store would still hold some obligation towards their "customers" (F2P game doesn't mean only people who pay are "customers") that didn't drive out because they'd been told in advance they likely wouldn't get anything good out of the special toppings event and would likely hold a second event to make up for it. My point is that the best and most thorough way to address a problem like this is make up day + compensation encounters for people who did raid. And really that's second to the actual best solution, which is for them to change the shiny rates in real time so there isn't an issue to begin with, which we know they're perfectly capable of.
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u/MistyCeruleanCity Aug 11 '25
They didn't lose anything in the first place, since they never participated.
How does being reimbursed for something that you did not actually do?
It is better to reimburse people who participated in the event and spent real-life money and in-game gold on raid passes.
Those players who did not participate are not getting punished because they made an active choice not to participate. They did not lose any time or raid passes. That seems like an illogical fallacy.
It's essentially the same as not opening Pokeman Go for one day.
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
But the problem is that the reason many “chose” not to participate is because the event wasn’t working as advertised. That doesn’t feel like an issue to you?
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u/MistyCeruleanCity Aug 11 '25
No, because they didn't spend any time , money, and gold on the event.
They choose not to participate.
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u/Anonymausss Aug 11 '25
There was no option to spend time, money and gold on the advertised event, because it wasn't happening.
A different event, with different rates, that was known and confirmed via official channels to be different to the advertised event happened instead.
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u/modus-tollens Aug 11 '25
Your compensation will be a pikachu with a diagla hat
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u/Federal_Command_9094 Australasia Aug 11 '25
Please don’t give them any ideas, it’s probably what will happen 😭
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u/TortelliniUpMyAss Aug 11 '25
I would legitimately take that over all my encounters back. (20 raids)
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u/iDoinz Aug 11 '25
What's funny is this month they can't even redo the event. Because both weekend days already have an event this month
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Haha that's true. They do schedule events within events so you still can't rule it out but given how packed rest of the month is, it's probably best left for next month.
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
My issue isn’t with the fact that the odds weren’t boosted - it’s with everything that came after.
They acknowledged the issue, but didn’t clarify if it was resolved or not. They only acknowledged this on social media, which not all players have access to, while still enabling in-game push notifications about the event with no mention of the issue.
Then, promising compensation is great, but not explaining what that compensation is is extremely problematic. If it’s encounters equal to the number of raids completed, that’s great for everyone who played today, but what about those who decided to hold their passes or scale back their grind in hopes of a make up day? If it’s a make up day, what about the time and money the people who grinded today put in without the advertised benefits?
TL;DR - People have a right to he upset, but I also think people are upset about the wrong things.
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u/Illustrious-Media-19 Aug 11 '25
It was not resolved. Im in the 2nd to last timezone in alaska and same issue. Did 160ish raids and got 4 shinies
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u/DrJohnWatsonJr SoCal Aug 11 '25
I did 162 raids and got 2 shinies. Both without the move too. The last hour was pure depression.
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u/Ok-Set8022 Aug 11 '25
Problem is with this scale, they probably have to meet and plan out even how to compensate. Hence why they can’t announce it right away.
Now if we go a week and don’t hear anything, that would be bad.
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u/TheVermonster Aug 11 '25
Last year there was an issue with a timed research for legendaries and so they basically just gave everybody the time to research again whether you completed it or not
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u/Ok-Set8022 Aug 11 '25
Right. But they didn’t communicate what they were going to do right away.
Heck I opened the game to the timed research and thought it bugged out to give me a second set and went online to find out it was intended.
That took a few days after the bug, but it was a very easy fix in they just had to re push the research to all accounts.
This one will be a bit more tricky.
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
So maybe they should give encounters and have a make up day. Because radio silence for the past 12+ hours is unacceptable.
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u/Ok-Set8022 Aug 11 '25
It is not unacceptable. It’s a Sunday afternoon/night where they are HQ. make-ups take at least some time to communicate so they can make sure it is both right, and fair.
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
I strongly disagree with the entirety of your statement.
If they can’t address issues on a Sunday, maybe they shouldn’t have events on a Sunday.
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u/Ok-Set8022 Aug 11 '25
They addressed it with the post. That is acceptable enough as it shows they know it was an issue and will be working on compensation and communicate it out as soon as they can.
You act like the world should stop to communicate fix a silly little game when they already said they would. Give it some time. Like I said it goes for a week or so then it’s problematic. But it’s still the same day and there is a lot to figure out before knowing the best way to make this as fair as possible for everyone
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
The problem is that by not resolving the issue and announcing the compensation in a timely manner during the event, they are negatively affecting a large portion of the player base who have to try and plan for what the compensation may or may not be.
That is the definition of unacceptable.
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u/LtDeadpool361 Aug 11 '25
I totally agree with you. They made the announcement via X. A in-game pop up in regards to the raid bug would have been sufficient and trainers would have known that there was an issue. I knew about since I have X. I've found that Niantic Support is more responsive via X.
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u/KweenKatts Aug 11 '25
I went 0/40 and stopped. I just couldn’t believe it especially with the shiny rate being 1/10.
And I didn’t know about the announcement on social media. Had I known I would have done so much less.
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u/ActionHank9000 Aug 11 '25
Wait did they never boost the chances for the rest of the world, too?
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u/DJPedro Aug 11 '25
No they did not! Their announcement about “affected players” certainly implied that there would be “non affected players” but they never fixed the shiny rate the entire event. I went 0/31, about half before the announcement and half after.
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u/ActionHank9000 Aug 11 '25
I did similar. 14 before with 1 shiny, and 19 after with 0 shiny. Overall 1/33. But my group as a total went 2/90 so definitely not seeing the 9/90 chance
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Definitely fair points. I’m perfectly happy if they do both. People who don’t want to raid again can simply skip.
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u/RoadyRoadsRoad Aug 11 '25
The big thing people in this community need to realize and leverage against the company for fair compensation is that people paid real money and were misled about what they were purchasing, gacha game companies have gotten in MASSIVE LEGAL TROUBLE for doing that kinda stuff and for basically telling straight up lies (whether intentional or not) about what was being purchased and the odds involved and is why companies need to state the odds now.
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u/Faladyne L50 | Instinct Aug 11 '25
And yet somehow Pokémon GO has escaped this accountability for years. Earliest example to look up would be egg odds, especially when the Kanto regional or Unowns were in them.
Somehow we got misleading 'tiers' (that have been proven to be skewed too).and that's it.
While we can hope that Shiny Odds being put directly in the game's client-side code means things will start being transparent... well, egg tiers have been the only 'odds' (and that's a stretch) I think we've even been -officially- given. Everything else has been Community or 'Community' sourced (including data mining in that since it's also technically a ToS no-no).
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u/capaldis Aug 11 '25
I feel like they may be able to skirt some of these regulations because you’re not technically paying for an encounter. You’re paying for a raid pass, and whether or not you win isn’t based on luck.
I could see them making the argument that it’s a game of skill. I also think that’s why they’re very purposeful in calling raid boss encounters “bonus encounters”.
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u/Faladyne L50 | Instinct Aug 11 '25
There's still tickets/events (GO Tour, GO Fest, Wild Area etc... loosely including Raid Days and Research Days and Hatch Days since you're basically paying for extra RNG spins) for "increased shiny rates" (okay, how increased, and from what baseline?) and egg hatch rates (most regulations have clauses about 'just because there's a free method' [IE: Infinite Incubator] 'available does not negate the requirement to disclose odds').
Not disagreeing that they may be skirting regulations. I agree, they probably are. But some of them seem a little bit more 'press [X] to doubt' than others. Especially being a global game, where some countries are really cracking down on how transparent odds have to be (Genshin Impact is a good example: they had to make a change to say the minimum and maximum cost of various in-game Gacha pulls, even though they already had the rates outlines in the first place, AND definitely state the value of how much each Gacha pull cost).
Pokemon GO is an outlier, and I'm not going to pretend to understand why, because I'd go diving into conspiracy theories that would be pure conjecture.
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u/naixill Aug 11 '25
Also, because people spend real money on raid tickets (AND pokeballs are purchaseable), like all other gacha games, rates need to be posted in-game.
I want base rates posted in-game for each Pokémon (players should still use crowdsourced data to hold the company accountable to those rates). I want what each pokeball and throw combination add to the catch rate.
This is not unprecedented, by the way! I play other gachas and there are pretty much direct comparisons between “base rate” and pokeball nice/great/excellent/boosted rates to how other gachas’ rates are calculated. It’s mind-boggling that Pokémon doesn’t have to do it despite all the microtransactions in this game.
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u/RoadyRoadsRoad Aug 11 '25
I honestly have no idea how this community lets them get away with it, this stuff isn't just standard good practice, its actual laws they are breaking and skirting the rules of that companies just like them have to obey daily but for some reason because its pokemon they get away with it, crazy stuff.
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u/naixill Aug 11 '25
Totally agree, especially with the “just because it’s Pokémon.” At least the Pocket TCG community didn’t let the company off for plagiarizing that Ho-oh art…
All I do is complain on Reddit, because honestly I’m pretty casual compared to a lot of people here and this whole thing is so mind-boggling from the outside person looking in.
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u/KatLovesMetapod Aug 11 '25
people paid real money and were misled about what they were purchasing
This makes me wonder what will end up counting as "people affected by the bug". Like will it only be people who purchased the ticket, or will people who didn't purchase the ticket but still used paid passes be included? It will be interesting to see what the compensation ends up being considering this isn't just a time zone issue; it affected everyone who raided everywhere yesterday since they never even fixed the bug. Wild.
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u/RoadyRoadsRoad Aug 11 '25
What's even more wild to me is how this kind of stuff happens nearly every event yet the community never actually legally pushes back. This is laws getting broken and excused away with non equivalent compensation damn near on a regular schedule
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u/csinv Aug 12 '25
Yeah it's so clearly not an accident. They just got caught hard by the Japanese this time around.
The number of people in this community who go on and on about "it's just RNG" when it so clearly is *not*. They need to publish the rate. Way too much precedent of 1/20, without that ever being promised, implied 1/10 because "boosted" and that's the next rate. I'm convinced 1/20 isn't the base anymore and they've quietly made it more like 1/50. Or they're fiddling with it per event up and down. I don't think the Go Fest Zacian and Zamazenta raids were 1/20.
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u/datguysadz Aug 11 '25
The make up encounters for the ultra beasts raids were really good. You'd assume something similar.
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u/Last_Vehicle_2615 Aug 11 '25
There was a similar problem with special backgrounds during Go Fest 2024. The compensation they calculate is '' equal to the amount of raids you completed during the impacted timeframe that would have awarded Special Backgrounds (rounded up).''
So the number of encounters you get is the number of raids you did divided by 10. And that's using Niantic's estimates, so you may not get as many encounters as you calculated. What i want to know is how do they decide if the encounter is Dialga or Palkia. Or is it gonna be random?
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
That doesn't exactly apply here though. Because by that logic they'd have to calculate how many shiny you'd have gotten and how many with special move, etc. And that gets too complicated. Getting equal amount of encounters as raids is the LEAST they can do here.
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u/Head-Dragonfruit4192 Aug 11 '25
Not really, since only the shiny odds was incorrect, they can give us encounters with #raids/10 of the shiny version of each pokemon. Each pokemon encountered here can have a random 1/7 odds of special move.
Edit (missed adding): Giving encounters equal to the number of raids is nice for the players but is unnecessary and maybe a huge influx of candies into the game.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Fair enough. If they give the appropriate amount of guaranteed shiny encounters I can live with that. It seems like most people still want a makeover on top of this so we'll have to see what they actually do. I just want that to be an "AND," not an "OR."
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u/Ledifolia Aug 11 '25
They are definitely not giving anyone guaranteed shinies. The only guaranteed shinies ever have been from paid Masterwork research. I've never heard of Niantic giving guaranteed shinies as a makeup for messed up shiny odds. Or even as a make up for shinies entirely turned off.
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u/SomeoneNamedAlix Aug 14 '25
Well, there’s egg on your face now
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u/Ledifolia Aug 14 '25
Eh, we will see. I'm not buying it till I have those shinies in my inventory. And maybe not even then.
Watch Niantic back it off, and claim that they meant to say everyone will get research with a chance of shiny palkia and/or dialga.
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u/Sure_Recording_3833 Aug 11 '25
Honestly it'll probably just be like the Unova Tour compensation. A set amount of encounters with Palkia and Dialga with the correct odds.
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u/N1njagoph3r2 Aug 11 '25
I did 20 remotes at night into NZ,Japan etc cause i worked all day sunday. They better give encounters imo or make the move Elite TM able for a bit
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u/JadeTatsu Aug 11 '25
So bottom line, the only acceptable make up for this event is giving EVERYONE the same number of encounters off of a research as how many raids they have done (with the right shiny odds obviously).
Actually the rates should be better than what they were. Here's my reasoning. I already have 70+ish origin form Palkia/Dialga from the bad rates on the day. If I get compensation at the boosted rate, sure I will get some shinies (or i should but knowing my luck I won't) but that does not compensate me for that bad rate, that just gives me replacements. So to compensate me properly, I should get a boosted rate of return to make up for the 70+ that were not at that rate. The rate should be boosted, boosted (or just guaranteed some shiny). So it would have to be 1:5 or better.
I think it's time to seriously start reporting them to the various consumer groups in your country. While you didn't have to buy the ticket to get the boosted rates, for those of us who did, it's a waste of time and money because the extra raid passes... yeah for nothing. I was wanting 2-3 Shinies of them, preferably with the move, for trade.
The only advantage I got was the extra XL Rare candy which with Eternus coming up (and god knows the screw up awaiting us there), is good but not really compensation.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Well said. I can't disagree with any of your points :) I guess we're used to being under compensated so my expectations are starting low. I will agree though with the "reporting them to consumer groups" part. I've mostly taken the "it's just a game" viewpoint so far but at some point the time and money wasted is definitely too much. We probably have to do something about it or just quit playing/spending money.
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u/Subject-Lie2766 Aug 11 '25
Niantic doesn’t care. If they did you wouldn’t keep seeing these kind of problems, after 9 years of the game being out. People keep spending money despite the number of glitches and errors, so they don’t put more of an effort.
Just really sad, but such is life.
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u/102Mich USA - Midwest Aug 11 '25
My game locked up on me while trying to catch them too; lost 1 Palkia and 2 Dialga for that.
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Aug 11 '25
I just find it strange that most events that award shinies of largely irrelevant Pokemon seem to have far less issues than the premium paid event with highly desirable and relevant Pokemon which seem to be the most bugged. The higher the profit and engagement the more frequent the disappointment which results in quickly finding a trove of threads like this pop up here shortly after a premium event starts. I keep my expectations low and always watch YouTube videos of the events long before they go live here on the weather coast. Can’t wait for the compensation threads to pop up here. That could be another whole player base outrage on full display. Expect the worst hope for the best…not necessarily a motto to live by, but an extremely reasonable approach to Pokemon Go events.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Yeah. I don’t want to say this was all intentional because this one was just strange from start to end. I think we generally accept that some minor issues for most events - especially for the poor early time zones but within a few hours everything goes back to normal. Not sure why this has turned into the big failure that it has. Waiting to see what they’ll come back with.
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u/StLSamShady Aug 11 '25
Personally, a part of the make up should be the ability to TM the special moves too
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
I'm sure everyone will be ecstatic if they did that but realistically I don't think so. They don't want people to simply TM their past hundos (even shundos is some cases) and call it good. Conflicts with their #1 goal :)
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u/EdoGtz Aug 11 '25
Not like any other raid day... it was like a legendary raid hour that lasted 6 hours instead, with normal shiny odds.... the lack of shinies and the ammount of bugs was ridiculous.
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u/Elevas VIC, Valor (50), Tired of being a lab rat because of my timezone Aug 11 '25
Walking away with 0/20 shiny and only 3/20 even having the move that is required for the pokemon to be relevant did have me feeling cheated, which is not something I often say about this game. Those passes are gone.
If the make-up is, as usual, just a second opportunity to spend passes with no actual compensation, I may actually start winding down my gameplay. I can't keep putting time, effort and coins into being cheated like this.
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u/0lPlainFace Aug 11 '25
Are catch rates usually boosted during raid days? I used an awful lot of golden razz when I normally use pinaps on raid days
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u/ben_the_fighter Toronto Aug 11 '25
I think one thing that people are overlooking is, how often does this happen and we don't actually notice? There's lots of events where just the raids have increased shiny chance or just eggs do for example. Without the Japan players having some actual data, would they have even made the announcement? Would they have even noticed? I doesn't help that when they say "increased", we don't actually know what that means. So if it's higher chances for shiny from eggs, is that now 1/20? 1/64? 1/128? I remember doing 100 Heracross raids during Johto tour and getting no shiny only to find out that it was 1/500 chance. They didn't promise increased chance on those, but a lot of people assumed since they had been increased the previous event when heracross was in raids...highlighting the fact that this whole shiny rate issue is a huge problem.
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u/Shortofbetternames Aug 11 '25
Problem with equal number of encounters is that I'm sure a lot of people raided less just because of the shiny rates than they would if the shiny rates were normal
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Definitely a fair point. That’s why a make up day in addition to that would be nice.
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u/tap836 Aug 11 '25
I expect their compensation will be in the form of a makeup day and a couple hyper potions.
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u/Grails_Knight Aug 12 '25
Make-up days are actually unaxeptable.
They charge us again, don't give us the event tickets if we had them and making us play another event in an already tight schedule two times.
I'd ignore the make up event, but im certainly not pleased. I don't want to pay for another 50 raids, also i want my guaranteed candy XL if I pay again at least, wich I won't get.
I'd be OK with the number of encounters refunden, meaning ALL Passes including the free ones and the ones from the pass refunded as premium passes or, way better and actually expected, having a number of encounters equal to the raids done with correct shiny odds, and preferybily carrying Candy XL just to say thank you for udnerstanding.
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u/tap836 Aug 13 '25
I agree a makeup day is totally unacceptable and would just be another greedy move proving yet again they don't care.
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u/vkhanna58 Aug 11 '25
When will they announce the compensation it doesn’t seem very fair if they take a month to do it
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
I don't really know of course but there is no way they would take that long. I'd expect them to say something this week. Let's see.
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u/Sure_Recording_3833 Aug 11 '25
Depends on what they do. If they re-do the event then they'll have to make room in the schedule for it or wait until the current events are done. If it's just a research with set amount of encounters then that won't take as long.
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u/workoutwithdi CALIFORNIA | MYSTIC 48 Aug 11 '25
If they do a make-up event that is going to cause outrage in the community. It needs to be research period.
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u/appagames Aug 11 '25
pokemon go is still represented by big pika and they move things along through support. it makes sense to move the support tickets to Pokemon because Niantic/Scopely have not/will not fix these issues. voicing frustrations here are good for info but people that have the ability to fix wont be looking at Reddit.
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u/Rude-Employment6104 Aug 11 '25
I personally quit raiding when I learned the odds were off. So sure, I could get compensated with the amount of raids I did, but I would have done even more if I knew the odds were right/was going to get justifiably reimbursed for their mistake.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Understandable. You just can’t anticipate all the possibilities. The problem is for one we assumed the issue was fixed after they acknowledged the problem. We also had a group of us making plans to go for a couple of hours so we just didn’t want to cancel the plans. And lastly we did want to get the xl candy. Should we have bailed sooner? For sure. The consolation is always the fun we had with the group.
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u/_zhero_ Aug 11 '25
The group I raided with was joking it would be 50 pokeballs like they did for that hour where everything ran on the first ball.
I’m really hoping it’s what you’re suggesting tho, I went ham on that raid day so I’d love to get an equal number of encounters for free
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Totally get the feeling. All these jokes have been at least half-way true in the past as well. But to be fair to Niantic, they also did some good, fair comp for recent messes so here's hoping!
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u/_zhero_ Aug 11 '25
Absolutely! I’m still hopeful that they’ll do right by us, but it’s still fun to poke fun at the misses from the past lol
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u/BCho31 Aug 12 '25
sick and tired of the usual "forgot to turn on the shinies" BS, again and again and again..
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u/Defiant-Ad5145 Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
In the company I am working for (in IT), people (me included) would be fired if they screw up this bad !
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u/Federal_Command_9094 Australasia Aug 11 '25
My major problem with the day was our whole community had to drive several suburbs away to get any raids, our local cell had only shadow regi spawn and the same thing happened with liligant day, I know this has happened in other cities and areas in NZ/Aus so everything added up to one of the worst events ever
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u/McLovin1019 Billings, MT - 872/873 (Level 50) Aug 11 '25
What about for people who decided to opt out because the event was bugged and they didn’t want to waste their passes?
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Yeah, several folks did bring that point up and I think the overall consensus is that they need to do both. Not just one or the other.
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u/OhMyGoth1 Filthy Casual Aug 11 '25 edited Aug 11 '25
Given that they didn't fix the rate for any timezones makes me think they're just going to run a make up event for everyone.
Also, relax
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u/plushdamentals31 Aug 11 '25
So are the people who grinded today going to get their passes back, or are they going to have to pay again for the benefits that were advertised today?
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u/Nervous-Peppers Aug 11 '25
I don't have time for a makeup. That would blow
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u/phoxfiyah Aug 11 '25
I thought the same about the Gmax Snorlax event, until they messed up the makeup as well. Now I’ve got a bunch of extra particles stacked in my timed research,
I think I’d be happy with a makeup event + free raid passes as compensation for this.
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u/Warning_grumpy Aug 11 '25
I hope so! Also my hubs game crashed after winning a raid so didn't get the encounter but got items. And they won't refund or reissue an encounter. So won't be doing that anymore.
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u/Thedubman5678 Aug 11 '25
They will do a make up day which is sickening in my opinion so they can make more money at our expense. And who knows if it does not happen again!! We deserve free encounters but I doubt that will happen. 10 dialga encounters and 10 palkia encounters in as a research seems fair for everyone with correct move and shiney rates
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
I think they will do something in addition to a potential make up day. This is too much of a screw up not to do anything. We’ll have to see.
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u/Leather-Moment-2892 Aug 11 '25
So can anyone explain the rare XL and the dialga palkia XL? From what i saw during raiding there was a chance to get one or more rare XL after the boss was killed, also chance to get rare XL after catching the boss. Also each raid gave aprox *7 dialga or palkia XL candy, 3 after win and 3-4after catch. And i dont think any of these numbers changed during my time of raiding in europe timezone.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Basically when the raids started in NZ people were getting 1-3 (more than 1 most of the time) rare XL after catching the boss, which was huge and a pleasant surprise. I did a few remote raids and I got them as well. But seemingly around when the acknowledged the problem this was reset to 1.
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u/Leather-Moment-2892 Aug 11 '25
I see, thing is i was also getting some rare XLs, just not always. I guess they patched it before it hit europe.
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u/trilogy76 Aug 11 '25
I'd say if you did 40 raids don't give 40 encounters with 1/10 shiny odds. Give 4 encounters with 100% shiny odds.
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u/Grails_Knight Aug 12 '25
Nah, gimme the 49 i did. Don't care for goaranteed shinies, i was the for the Palkia XXLs and the rare candy ^^
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u/adnilempez Aug 11 '25
Yeah it should be the amount they did but it never is. They always give the same makeup research to everyone the same. Which sucks for people who did a lot more than others.
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u/_lablover_ Asia Aug 11 '25
Want to point out that if they give the same number of encounters, they could give them at a 1/20 shiny rate still and it would be perfectly reasonable. You X raids at what you thought was a 1/10 rate so expect X/10 shinies on average. You got on average X/20. If they now give you X encounters at 1/20 then you get another X/20. In total that gives 2X/20=X/10, which is what you expected.
Similarly they could instead give just X/20 (or 10 if they want to) encounters rather than X, but they're all shiny. Any of these would seem completely reasonable to me. In fact, in all of these circumstances you end up better off than if the event was coded correctly.
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u/SkilletToastAE Aug 12 '25
They've done exactly what you want in the past. It has been the most recent way they have made up for similar issues. I would approach with cautious optimism that this will be handled correctly (the way you describe) instead of acting the way you are.
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u/Ragnarok992 Aug 14 '25
They wont do a 1:1 research to raids, it will most likely be 1 encounter for every 10 raids
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u/Valkouze 28d ago
I drove an hour right after work to get to the big city nearby for a meetup. +40 raids in 3 hours and no shiny at all
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u/gamesntech 28d ago
yeah, pretty terrible. at least it seems like you might get 5 guaranteed shiny!
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u/Valkouze 28d ago
I'd hope so, but just in case my lil bro got a SR shiny palkia so i'll lucky trade him his whenever i get a lucky trinket
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u/Keanununa Kiwi Beta Tester Aug 11 '25
Give a Timed Research encounter for a Dialga AND Palkia for every raid done as a “we’re sorry”. I did around 60 raids. I want my 120 Timed Research encounters with the 1/10 shiny odds
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
I think at least the 60 you did is a good start so let's see if they at least do that. But I agree, something extra on top of that would be nice.
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u/pasticcione Western Europe Aug 11 '25
Shiny encounters were not turned off, the probability was just the usual 1/20 rather than the 1/10 of raid days.
Thus, a fair alternative, as suggested by others, is to give you 3 guaranteed shiny encounters per pokemon: that's the average number you could get out of 60 raids (6) with 1/10 probability, minus the number of shinies you could have found with the 1/20 probability (3).
They should also give some raid tickets or other premium items for additional compensation of the "incovenience"
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u/azure-flute USA - Midwest | LV47 - Valor Aug 11 '25
I'm genuinely uncertain if the rates got fixed or not. I went 3/25 on shinies which feels like it's approaching the 1/10, but I may have simply been very lucky for once.
The issue of "mons dropping 1-3 rare XL on capture" is definitely pertinent, though. It was fixed by the time I started, and I did somewhat hope it would persist.
Either way, hopefully we'll get a research with encounters. A makeup event wouldn't be awful either, I guess, but it's less preferable.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
Yeah you were definitely lucky, which is always nice. My numbers are not based on just my experience. We have a large group of players around that do even more raids than I did and the average experience was dismal.
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u/Estelmayer Aug 11 '25
I also wasted all my golden razz berrys and will not get one from a research like we get them from a raid
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u/murthagg Aug 11 '25
Well it was to be expected, every year the events get worst and worst, even the big ones, they give less and less and monetize more and more, in 2 years we'll have go fest without new legendary, no shiny boost for tickets holders and no new mons (oh wait) and we'll have Pidgey and Mankey as event spawns
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
I get the sentiment but I really hope not. At the end of the day we still like the game and enjoy a lot of things the game has to offer.
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u/EKS_ZeroPercent Aug 11 '25
Wouldn’t the ‘fairest’ resolution be giving everyone encounters equal to the number they did, but with the unboosted odds?
Odds were 1/20, but should have been 1/10. So if you give everyone a free encounter for each encounter they completed at the unboosted rate then you’re essentially comping them twice as many encounters and candy to make up for the rate.
I’d love double encounters, don’t get me wrong. I would also like to see boosted rates, but I’d honestly settle for just the encounters.
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u/gamesntech Aug 11 '25
There are definitely a lot of different ways they could address this. I also understand different players might prefer different options as well. I’d just want all the time, effort, and money spent on the event to be accounted for. That’s pretty much it.
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u/Robocop52 Aug 11 '25
One other issue that is being ignored is that for the beginning they were letting them drop 1-3 rare XL per catch. That was changed to 1 per raid with no chance for more. Why did this get taken away? Last night we were getting them remotely 8 rare XL in 3 raids I believe it was. This wasn't an announced bonus for the event but I'm confused why it existed just to get taken away.