r/TheSilphRoad • u/Old-Board1553 • 25d ago
Discussion Anyone worried about the future of Pokemon GO?
I don't know about you guys, but lately this game is becoming a pain for rural players. I feel like everytime there is a event, Niantic or whoever is in control now shows you the middle finger all the time from the start of it.
I see people complain it will take a lot to max out their Eternatus. Like really? That's the major issue of this game and event for you? Put yourself in the spot of a rural player. You are basically forced to do Tier 5 raids, Tier 5 D-max raids or G-max raids in order to just get maybe a 2* or a floor IV. This type of raids are a complete nightmare for us, and they always forcing us to do it, and your only option is remote raids. Basically we are forced to spend at least 5400 coins on remote raids to get this Eternatus.
It's really sad that community don't support each other in this kind of situations, and demand changes in this game that helps rural players as well. Prices are high, and you are always and always forced to do this kind of raids. This game is not just about raiding, give people other stuff to do, I don't know catch 100 or 200 pokemons per day, something else, not just max out raids.
And I'm sure there will a be smartguy coming now saying, go make yourself a community, D-max can be done solo, or duo easily, sucks to be you a rural player, and so on.
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u/YoshiJoshi_ 25d ago
Pokémon Go hasn’t ever been a game for rural players - and is primarily one for players in larger cities tbh.
It sorta is what it is and I am at the stage of playing the game how I want to , and interacting with the features I like. So no PvP and no max battles unless it’s an easy one I can do in passing a spot.
That said, it would have been a nice tweak for this event if the requirement to use a remote raid pass plus particles for remote max battles were removed.
I always felt it was weird to have the remote pass added, rather than just up the number of particles required, but it’s the route they have gone.
However, I still remain hopeful that they will tweak raid passes so that green ones can be used on any gym you can see. But that’s still never happened!
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u/gloomyturkey 25d ago
You have a point — if they only require MP, not remote pass to play remote dmax, gmax, they may end up with more revenue!
Their PMs may not realize/calculate this correctly.
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u/zachari94 25d ago
Even an adjusted amount of MP perhaps. In person 1* being 150/200 then remoting just an extra 50% or double even depending on cost
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u/Aryk93 25d ago
This. The game was never meant for rural players, and im tired of pretending that it was. They chose to play the game.
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u/Buttsquish 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yes, the game has started going downhill for solo players ever since Megas were introduced, and greatly ever since fusion Pokémon were introduced.
I play the game for dex entries. I don’t care much about shinies or backgrounds etc. In the past at least when a new legendary came out, you could do one raid and that was it. You could organize with some locals, use your one daily pass, do the legendary and call it a day. If you had trouble organizing, you use a remote pass.
But ever since Mega’s you couldn’t just do one. You had to do two or three. Then fusion Pokémon came out and you have to do 10 minimum. I’m somebody that’s played since 2016, and I don’t have any of the meta relevant Pokémon. I look at the top counters for a new boss and go - nope, no Primal Groudon or Kyogre. No Mega Rayquaza. No Black or White Kyogre. No Fuzed Necrozma. No crowned Zaccian or Zamazanta.
I was looking forward to this event to try and work towards a crowned Zaccian &Zamazanta, but I only have one hour to do 14 more raids to get them both.
It’s gone from, “okay maybe I can splurge on a remote pass once in a while”, to “I have to buy 20 a month just to stay meta relevant”. The game has become built around remote raids, but in order to organize remote raids you still have to use third party apps.
But at the very least, most of those aren’t dex entries. But now with Eternatus, I’m going to have to buy a handful of remote raid passes and spend my entire week working towards just the dex entry.
The event tickets have gone from like $5 to $30. The mythical Pokémon used to allow you to buy in an event, and then a while later you get a free research. However Keldeo’s event was 3 years ago now with no free research and Volcanion event was $20+.
I think I might be done with this game after this event.
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u/BadWeather42 25d ago
Here's a slightly different point of view. I don't buy many passes or event tickets - just for big things like GO Fest. I've only gone hardcore on maybe 10 big events total. I don't raid much outside of those events, just a few times a week, almost always on free passes. I pick up remotes from gym coins for the most part. So I don't spend the way you said a person has to in order to be meta-relevant. It's well under $150 a year, likely under $100.
However, megas and parties made this game so it could be played as a duo for almost every single 5-star raid. My wife and I slowly but surely built up a solid bunch of raid teams over 5 years. We didn't have to get all the mega energy on the first appearance. It accumulates bit by bit with every raid. Everything comes back. We are slowly getting better at Dynamax now too. Can we solo Gigantimax? No. But that's fine. We don't really need them either. We don't worry about paywalls. We just play our games, one day at a time. I've been amazed how much my teams have grown over the years with that approach. Everyday I go outside, take a walk, catch Pokemon, and maybe do a raid or max battle if I stumble on one. Everything else is gravy.
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u/HolySharkbite 24d ago
I used to play for dex completion but that was back when legendary Pokémon were given as the weekly reward. Since they dropped that for whatever rando ninantic feels like, I haven’t added a single legendary to my collection. I have zero community so I can’t do any 5 star raids of any sort, my Pokémon are all terrible so I can only solo a 3 star successfully once every fourth time. I’ll never make it to level 44 as I’ll never be able to get the required pvp wins. Honestly at this point I’m only playing out of habit
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u/dismahredditaccount 24d ago
The PVP wins don’t have to come in Go Battle League. Challenge anyone on your friends list and have them use crappy Pokemon to guarantee the win.
Even if the wins did have to come in Go Battle League, just make a team of 10cp Pokemon, start a battle, and then set your phone down. Check back in two minutes and repeat. Do that for five sets every day and you’ll have the necessary wins in no time— because eventually your ELO falls so much you get matched against tankers who are trying to lose, so they just forfeit immediately and give you a free win.
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u/dismahredditaccount 24d ago
If you can organize with some locals, you absolutely don’t have to stay “meta relevant”— because you have party power.
Shadow Kyogre is the #1 non-mega water type attacker in the game. Vaporeon is the #43. But a team of Vaporeons with Party Power 4 does more damage than a team of Shadow Kyogres without party power.
If you party up, there’s very little a team of four players rocking level 30+ Eeveelutions can’t smash through. Start mixing in spicier non-legendaries like Brutal Swing Hydreigon or Shadow Aurorus and stuff just melts.
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u/Rude-Reaction8213 25d ago
You know what's funny? People saying the game is "about to die" have been around since August of 2016.
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u/Sweaty_Assignment_69 25d ago
I remember in 2016 when “the game would never take off pokemon is too overly saturated.” Lol.
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u/Sure_Recording_3833 25d ago
And here we are with PoGo probably being a big factor in Pokemon becoming bigger than ever.
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u/Elmodipus 25d ago
Not even "probably." It's a huge reason Pokemon is so popular now.
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u/shinreialba 23d ago
That's an absolute lie lmao. Pokemon was a household name before pogo. Hell that's why pogo was even made. And sure, pogo did at its inception by its concept get a lot of media coverage. But said attention fizzled out quickly. Basically, all pogo players know pokemon but not all pokemon players know pogo.
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u/Elmodipus 23d ago
Pokemon was seeing a dip in mainstream popularity in the 2010s until Go thrust it back into the limelight. It helped bring back the fans from the 90s/2000s that had matured out of the Fandom.
PoGo isn't as popular now, but it is a big reason why so many people reconnected with the franchise.
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u/CandyCondorFlakJacke 25d ago
It's me, I went haywire in the summer of 2016 and actually scoffed when my buddy told me he was grinding hard playing during covid.
I legitimately had no idea about the battle system until he showed me. GBL didn't exist in the summer of 2016, all they had was gyms! And now I'm a daily player for almost five years lmao
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u/Kuliyayoi 24d ago
I'm a day 1 player and I quit this game around 2019. Just came back last year. There was a lot to catch up on. I think if I played during that entire 5 year period I would be pretty unhappy with the game too.
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u/Oceanbird-OG 25d ago
I have been rural since i started the game back in 2018 and til 2021 it was hopeless to play in my hometown, got a little better after nominations were active and could play better during events, after moving to a slightly bigger city game is better now, not by much since a lot of people dud quit after covid bonuses went away
My advice if you are rural, go online find the reddit post about cells and how to nominate, do some basic homework and nominate stuff, be careful when doing it and take it seriously, can't tell how many times i come across badly submitted nominations, i try to be more forgiving when reviewing rural nominations but it gets hard
Don't expect Nianitc/Scopely to save you cause they will certainly won't
Putting a bunch of stops/Gyms in your hometown won't save you if nobody else's playing but it will be more fun when YOU play
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u/Bogdanovicis 25d ago
Like more said. It was never meant for that. On the other side, you can change stuff.
On my grandma rural area, I had a friend playing the game with me. He didnt just accept that the game is not for rural areas, and when he got the level for pokestops, he simply bombarded the app with applications for new stops. Ofc that 90% of them were rejected. But he was applying continuously and repeatedly the suggestions. I left the area, and returned for vacation later... That village...became a daimn dream for every PoGo player. Every street had stops and gyms.
While there were still less players than in a city, he mastered hosting the raids from the village. He was daily doing his 5 star raids, or his 5-6 stars Dmax-Gmax raids easily.
Is not easy, but if you are locked there for the next years, you could try to do something similar. I dont see Niantic/Scoopely will give too much attention to this. The demand is way too small.
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u/datguysadz 25d ago edited 25d ago
Rural players have always complained about PoGo so I'm not suddenly more concerned about the games future.
Completely unrelated but at the end of June I decided to start distancing myself from the game because I dislike how much we're flooded with events and things going on. It's not so much the cost, which is obviously still an issue, but more the fact it's two events a weekend, ongoing events during the week, things on three weekday evenings. It's just more than I'm willing to commit to.
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u/stevewmn New Hampshire, level 49, Valor 25d ago
That's my complaint too. I'm a summer of 2016 player that never took a break from the game. This event overload makes it so I don't really care what I'm supposed to be doing half the time. I've paired back to most only playing while walking my dog or during a big event. Event overload was partially what put me off of Wizards Unite too.
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u/datguysadz 25d ago
That's pretty much exactly the same as what I've done. I'm only really playing now when I go for a walk or run, which is what the game used to be for me originally. In fact, before Monday I didn't even boot the game up for 5 days, which was previously unheard of for me. I only played again on Monday because I wanted to try get my Eternatus. They just don't want us to ever put it down.
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u/Crab-Parking 25d ago
God yeah, I was buying remote passes to catch the daily new X legandary and WEWWW did it add up.
I will say, I adore the spotlight hours. It motivates me to go for an hour walk at least once a week (I'm a rural player too!)
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u/datguysadz 25d ago
Yeah, that's been a real strength of the game for me over the years. It's been a great companion piece for while I'm outside doing cardio. I actually play football (soccer) on a Tuesday at 7pm, right next to my local park, so I've used Spotlight Hour as a way to warm up before football in recent years.
It's just G/ Dmax battles, backgrounds and double weekend events where they've lost me.
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u/Muffled_Voice 25d ago
You don’t have to do every event tho. There’s events always going on, but imo it’s kept me engaged whereas in the past I would become bored because I didn’t know what to do since you could only remote 5 a day and I couldn’t really get out of the house since I don’t have a license se and the nearest park with decent pokestops is quite the distance. I still don’t have a license, but since there’s events going on, I can get my mom onboard to drive to park and play which is a lot of fun. I get bummed I miss things, but at the same time I’m grateful for what I do get to partake in.
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u/AdehhRR Australia-East 25d ago
Sorry fam but when has Pogo ever been for rural players...? I mean you can call us dicks for saying as much, but... it geninely hasn't ever had a single feature geared toward rural players.
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u/SaltyWailord 45 Western Europe 25d ago
Showcases are nice for us.
I find my self deleting premium items to clear space
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u/PosterityR 25d ago
That's just a side effect, they were not planned to be an advantage to rural players, you win them for the lack of competition rather.
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u/rilesmcriles 25d ago
I think it’s still a good point. Most of the negatives of being rural are “side effects” too. The game is made for urban and suburban play. Any good or bad that comes to rural is collateral damage.
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u/Thanky169 25d ago
Remote shadow raids, gmax and dmax is a big improvement imo
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u/Starfighter-Suicune Germany | Lv48 25d ago
Still not too helpful after 2 ugly price rises for remote passes.
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u/Dengarsw 25d ago
During COVID it felt like Rurals were on par with city folk. Easy to host, people got at least one free remote raid pass they could use to help you, and if you wanted to remote, the cost was the same as a premium pass. All the remote raid nerfs did was remind the community that there's basically a rural tax/limit for this game.
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u/AdehhRR Australia-East 25d ago
Yeah but that wasn't done for rural players. It was a side effect of that change. Everyone benefited from that is my point.
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u/Dengarsw 25d ago
You're not wrong, but not only did it help everyone, but it helped those who needed it more than those who didn't. The old "Singaporean grandmas" thing, for example, was probably true because Singapore's housing promotes families and communities over individuals. Combined with highrises, I was told that it's not uncommon in some areas for communities to have access to multiple gyms from their homes, to the point where whole buildings coordinate gym changes (I've seen a few places in Los Angels do the same).
The COVID changes made it so they could do even more raids without leaving their homes. Great. But they didn't need to drive an hour into town to do one raid before. Those rurals suddenly could pay the same as those Singaporean grannies, and while they needed a third party app or huge friend's list of active raiders, get the same benefits for the same cost.
That's why changes should positively affect the whole community from the bottom up, not top down like the upcoming
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u/thatbrownkid19 25d ago
So? That doesn’t mean it should stay this way. And I’m a city player.
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u/defianceofone 25d ago
Business-wise there is zero reason to cater to rural players and their actions have obviously shown as such.
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u/thatbrownkid19 25d ago
Explain why- you’re stating a lot of things axiomatically lmao
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u/DarthAnusCavity 25d ago
During Covid. We were eating good back then.
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u/noobwowo 25d ago
during covid they were FORCED to make changes because of global lockdown. Basically everyone has become "rural players" in a sense so Niantic have to change something in order for the game to survive.
Realistically speaking Niantic never ever care about rural players from start and that's the sad fact.
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u/repo_sado Florida 25d ago
remote raids were coming anyways. they didnt develop the feature that quickly. they likely would have started at their current price though
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u/Sumada 25d ago
So, I do feel for rural players and I can certainly imagine trying to do an event like this in an area without a PoGo community must suck. It sucks that they don't have access to, essentially, the same game that I do.
But that particular issue doesn't give me any worry about the future of PoGo because the game isn't designed for rural players and hasn't been for a long time. The game is designed for people who live in a big enough community to support, at the very least, legendary raids. It was fair to be upset about the addition of GMax requiring even bigger communities, because that was a shift. But this is an event designed around features that have been significant parts of the game for a while now. Those features were always bad for rural players. They're still bad for rural players.
It's not reasonable to expect that you can get everything in the game without doing higher level raids or max battles. There's going to be events focused on those. There's going to be pokemon exclusive to those. When they decided to make aspects of the game focused on community gathering, they effectively decided the game was going to be worse for people in rural areas. That ship has long sailed, and if you're still playing the game, you should probably accept that they're making a game that isn't catering to you.
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u/DonutYoupi 25d ago
As a rural player myself, here’s a tip, create a second account, which is only to be used to knock yourself out of gyms. Throughout the weekdays i grt around 300gold and use the gold to buy remote raid pass. I then use leek duck or poke genie (poke raid app is dog shxt) and remote raid for whatever event were on thats how i keep it free to play as a rural
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u/Nekowaifu 25d ago
Personal anecdote as a rural player (who recently found a community in reasonable driving distance). Has this game ever really been friendly to rural players? I mean from day 1 in 2016 this game was very much about getting out and interfacing with your community and others playing it. I know the frustration of feeling like there’s a lot of content in this game built for having other people around you to play it with, but that’s just how it is. I always see rural players get mad when you even try to recommend hosting raids online or making their own pokestops and stuff but like, that’s just the way it is. I got by doing all of this perfectly well for years! I found a community nearby and now I get to do everything I dreamed of but it never stopped me from at the very least doing the things I wanted to do. Raid I want to do? Host it. Community day? I made some poke stops in town, let’s drop some lures and walk around. I hate to say it is what it is…..but it’s true. But you can’t let yourself get stuck in feeling like you’re just never gonna be able to do whatever you want to accomplish in this game tbh.
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u/Omnizoom 25d ago
They did include 1 star and 3 star stuff in the daily content you can do to get points for the pass, even as a rural player you can get eternatus entirely solo but it’s going to be work going to power spots
You also have the option to drive to a more densely populated area for the weekend; our more rural players near by drive 30 min for events
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u/Top_Ad3876 25d ago
Recent changes have actually made this much more hospitable to rural players. The ability to remote max battles kind of broke open the game for me in that aspect. I get you don't want to spend a bunch of money on passes, and I don't either. Which is why I just host myself. There's plenty of whales out there willing to shell out.
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u/vaginawithteeth1 USA - Northeast 25d ago
I came to say the same thing. If anything it’s gotten better for rural players. Up until a few months ago we couldn’t even do shadow raids unless you had a few other local players to join. It isn’t cheap but at least everything is remoteable now.
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u/dhuan79 India 25d ago
I think you've got it the wrong way. The game has always been pain for rural the difference is they've ramped up events so it might it feel like you're getting hard done more but it's just same but at a weekly rate lol.
Firstly I urge you to look for solutions as you can get f2p Eternatus. The limit will be removed on weekend and you might be able to crawl towards it lol.
Secondly I knew mods had made a mistake when they deleted a very good post yesterday implying to not give into FOMO and I cannot stress that enough. You need to get rid of FOMO and IV traps.
Think of it like this:
- If you're not into PVP then IVs are really close to pointless the important part is having the Pokemon itself rather than 15/15/15 version of it. Once you get a let's say G-Max Rillaboom you can grind plenty of candy by catching Grookey in wild. When it comes to legendary just tank in PVP for stardust + candy. The only thing you'll find difficult is Legendary XLs.
- Is what I said above ideal solution especially grinding PVP? no but I honestly think if you want to be f2p it's worth the grind.
- If you're into PVP then Master league requires you to spend money regardless of you being rural/urban period. Most Great league Pokemon are in wild.
- Eternatus will come back. When? no one knows but it will comeback. You don't need everything now lol.
- For context my niece is totally f2p player and it took her 2 raid days(last march and wild arena) to get Primal duo and in 2 other raid events she's only gotten enough energy for 1 Dawn Wings Necrozma and is still 2/3 raids short of Dusk Mane. She's no way near getting either Kyurem fusion and at best might get 1 in next raid day.
The 2 points I'll agree with you is on
- a lot of players kind of only care about their situation, I've seen that pretty much across all games. They pretty much go with the view of it's only a problem if it bothers me else it isn't. Just ignore the sad trolls and move on lol.
- The monetization has ramped up from tickets to the fact they abandoned their community community charade without putting an effort and are letting players do more remotes, Eterantus absurd candy req etc etc.
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u/BadWeather42 25d ago
This is incredibly well said. I couldn't agree more. JOMO is so much more relaxing than FOMO.
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u/WraithTDK Virginia 25d ago
Dude, it's been that way since launch. Nine years now. If that issue hasn't killed the game in just under a decade, I doubt it's going to do so now
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u/xZarathosx 25d ago
Its basically like alot of p2w games you complain abt it yet you still buy it bcs you wanna colplete the game
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u/TacticalCupcakes 25d ago
Rural players are so shafted on anything that can’t be remoted easily
I remember when shadow mewtwo was around in raids, couldn’t do any because no people were around.
Same with GMax, I happened to luck into a Gmax Tox and Inteleon, but I’ve already accepted I’m likely not getting the others
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u/Lurking_In_A_Cape 25d ago
It's never been, and never will be ideal or fair to be a rural player. You should try and tailor your expectations or risk your account through alternative methods.
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u/LarvitarDK 25d ago
If anything the game is way more accessible for rural players than ever. You can remote everything now. You can RSVP to raids and Max battles and hope other people in your area sees that and joins you.
Go was never ideal for rural players but it’s better than ever. And I say that as someone who played in a rural area for years.
If you truly want to get the most out of the game, you’ll have to go to your nearest larger city and meet up with the community there.
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u/Mundane_Upstairs3241 25d ago
Are you saying the issue is finding players to do local 5* raids? Or having the power spots and gyms?
You can use campfire to try and find local players and if there aren't enough spots and gyms try submitting.
I've tried submitting 4 and all 4 were rejected, no reason given, but at least I tried.
My main problem is I have to work - if the spots were open 24/7 it would solve alot of my issues. My current solution is to duck out at lunch, do a quick max battle in my car and hurry back - sorry environment.
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u/mrtrevor3 USA - Northeast 25d ago
Rural players, who are not all equal, make this post all of the time in the last 9 years. Nothing can change, because POI can’t come from nothing (though lots of things can be POI if you try) and players aren’t common in rural areas so you’ll have to find them to take on harder raids.
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u/This_Tangerine3080 25d ago
I'm rural and I do alright. Only remote into GMax but that can be done with gym coins. If everthing could be solo'd the game loses.
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u/Apprehensive-Pop9321 25d ago
I collect 4 stars. My girlfriend collects shinys. There are a lot of paths of fun that don't involve the big metal of relevant raids.
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u/iamonelegend 25d ago
A decade is a pretty good run for a mobile game. Not sure if Go will make it to 20 years, but the 10 I have had with it so far have been a ton of fun outside of the typical gripes.
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u/Haus1707 25d ago
is your main concern the lack of local players or the lack of power spots/ arenas?
i live in a small town, but managed to get 20+ pokestops approved and even made myself a gym at home, my work place and at a friends house.
me and my friend both use an old phone where we use each others account, so we can do raids on our own even when we are not together.
after many raids, and hosting raids via pokegenie, etc. we now have a network of reliable remoters, that join us on nearly every raid we do.
only struggle for us are gmax battles now, but with apps like go raid app we even managed to complete almost all gmax since remoting them was introduced.
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u/EndlessPerfectWorld 25d ago
in order to just get maybe a 2* or a floor IV
If this is your complaint, you clearly do not understand what IVs do for a Pokemon. It does not determine how good it is
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u/sdhh2005 25d ago
I live in a big city and it is not that I can do Tier 5 raids or D-Max or G-Max raids anytime and anywhere I want to. I have to go to to specific places at a specific time and most of the time that is not possible for me.
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u/TattedUtahn 25d ago
Maybe I’m not understanding where you’re coming from completely; how exactly are you forced to do raids? You could just not do them right? If you’re saying that you can’t get something with good IVs without remoting in that’s a valid complaint, but that’s far from your only option. Create some new gyms in your area and host raids on PokeGenie. I get the doom and gloom take except there are things you can do to improve your gameplay experience.
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u/Embarrassed-Sun5764 25d ago
The only raid I got invited to was in Ireland and I wanted to go but no remote raid pass and not enough coins to buy one. Pretty sad when I have 4 gyms on my route each day and nobody does them- I’d gladly get off my 🫏And go if someone hosts. 3 groups on campfire too. USA locale, and city. PHX AZ
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u/Happyjitlin69 24d ago
You could literally get a 4* and it would be the same problem. Why do yall care so hard about IVs. Its exhausting
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u/WiltedCranberry 23d ago
Bruh you can host remote raids and just use your free daily passes, use pokegenie or leekduck.com
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u/Best-Republic 25d ago
I agree. I’m in urban areas and still struggling to make time to go out and do all of this. An occasional catch tasks is not a bad idea.
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u/Thulack 25d ago edited 25d ago
No because rural players aren't the main player base. Not everyone can get everything and in a game based on community and local involvement rural players are at a disadvantage which is perfectly fine and natural. I think more rural players should reconsider why they play the game. If they love pokemon that much there are dozens of games they could play with pokemon IP that would be much easier to play. Also the fact that almost all pokemon can be beat with duo/trio how much easier does the game have to get?
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u/RavenousDave UK & Ireland L50 - Valor 25d ago
I play because it gives me a reason to go outside and get some exercise.
Playing a small town with few players is much better than playing the game with massive numbers of people. The game is easy enough for two or three players to do just about everything. So much better than those tedious tap fests with dozens of players.
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u/rilesmcriles 25d ago
I personally love meeting dozens of people during “tap fests” (are you not tapping during your raids or…)
Idk why you gotta try to bring others play style down rather than just saying you like the way the game works with a smaller group.
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u/Agreeable_Falcon1044 25d ago
I think it’s got easier for rural players. The wayfarer criteria means you have some rural areas that look like city centres with bike and hiking trails that cross over the map.
My sister lives out in the fens and claimed she had one gym (a pub now closed). We nominated loads the last time we were down there, got a church hall, a village hall, a post office, two churches (Methodist and CofE), three trial markers and a disused rail station from the 1960s!
As for raids, you can remote raid shadows and dmax and gmax. Remote trading may be a thing soon too.
It’s got so much easier. No idea what they used to do in the country, but now it’s so much easier for them
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u/Sanguinista94 25d ago
You mention the community should do something - but what are you suggesting?
How do you imagine the community “demanding changes” would look like, and what are the changes you are even suggesting?
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u/rilesmcriles 25d ago
Yeah the “it’s really sad that the community doesn’t support each other” kinda lost me. Like, what can we do? What do they want us to do?
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u/summonsays 25d ago
Back in my day, 2016, living in the middle of nowhere. I usually had about 5 poke balls I could spend per day on average. Go get groceries and spin a few stops and those needed to last the week.
At least now you can get 30 balls a day from incense and your buddy will just hand you gifts.
There have been some QoL improvements for rural players. But in the end they chose to make this game a multiplayer experience and are trying to force you to go play with other people. This isn't main game Pokemon where 1 guy can solo the world.
So yeah going into populated areas is basically a necessity if you want to do everything in this game. It sucks for rural players I agree with you. But there's plenty of other games that don't. Maybe this one isn't for you. At the end of the day, games should be fun. Ask yourself are you having fun? Go from there.
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u/sgmaven 25d ago
I do worry that the game is becoming more and more pay-to-play/win. Just look at the gap in candies & XL candies in the Go Pass Max Finale!
I do feel for rural players, and I have some on my friends list. I make it a point to invite them when I am raiding/battling, so that they can remote in and enjoy some of the fun. Still that remote pass is not cheap!
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u/B0SSLagos 25d ago
Just play the game, don't let the game play you. Do the events/missions that you can and when you can, don't let the game control your time. You can do this specific tasks by doing daily 1 free raid and 4 1-star dynamax battle. If you can't, don't worry too much, Eternatus will eventually return and probably in a easier way of getting it. The moment you overcome FOMO is the moment you start enjoying the game.
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u/Peratypus123 Canada 25d ago
I'm forced to basically grind out coins for remote raid passes cuz nobody in my area plays
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u/reineedshelp Australasia L45 Mystic 25d ago
I used to be worried about the future but not anymore. What happens happens. I'm disabled which has some crossover with the rural plight and I certainly empathize, but I don't think they're going to look out for us ever.
It's a shame but I think I'm making the best of it.
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u/Agile-Package4913 25d ago
Im with you on this. Recently we made an effort to travel to a meet up on Campfire for 5 star raids, and no one even turned up. For rural players its impossible unless you spend 100s on remote raids each week
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u/fabio93bg 25d ago
I find It funny that people say "it's made for urban players"... what? It's a game, and it is (and should be) for everyone. "Get up and go"... ok, I can get up and go, but, for example, in my little mountain town we are only three players (except for some rare cases in some days). If you want to go to the biggest city near me you need to drive about 1 hour.
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u/LBG-13Sudowoodo 25d ago
Why not make more pokestops and .always it clear to the ingress players or power-hungry randos that approve the stops that you are in a rural area and there aren't any churches, playgrounds or fountains to spam. Its not the silver bullet, otherwise it helps a bit. P2p users find raids on discord, f2p is a sad story and I feel the pain.
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u/BCHiker7 25d ago
If you just do a 1-star raid and a max battle each day adn that gets you to level 20 for the weekend. And I fully expect the points earned per task will go way up on the weekend, as it has for previous event passes. It shouldn't be too hard to get to level 60.
I do agree, though, that it sucks there is no catching option for earning points.
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u/DoctorFaygo 25d ago
T5 raids aren't a nightmare. You literally just post your fc on facebook raid group, pokegenie, or pokeraid. I've been doing it for years just fine.
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u/ReturnoftheBoat 25d ago
Ummm... the "game" is meant for urban players, so no, I'm not even remotely worried about the future.
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u/Loud-Obligation-6297 25d ago
Why would I base my thoughts of the game or this event on your experience? In all honesty part of the beauty in this game is that you cant just play all day from home. You have to go out and travel places to experience the most of it.
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u/Original-Superb 25d ago
I definitely sympathize here but you should be just fine if you do enough 1-2* dynamax and just do the free pass. With the upped collection MP collection limit you’ll have more than enough to make out the pass each day and if you save your particles and only use them when necessary until the weekend you’ll get eternatus and all the candy from the pass. I won’t lie you definitely are at a disadvantage but nothing crazy or unseen before. I personally live in a smaller town and tend to try and drive out for event but I know not everyone can. I think this event just hard because it’s centered around a collection based feature which feels pay to win, but if you read closer you can definitely complete the core of this event free to play, especially considering the fact that level 30 eternatus is 87% power of level 50, you do NOT need a level 50 at ALL lmao, I certainly won’t be going for it
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u/Matias9991 25d ago
Not really, it has been this way for a LONG time now, the game is clearly not made for rural players.
At least now we are getting bigger updates and events but yeah nothing to be top excited for.
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u/19_Deschain19 25d ago
Its a choice you make living where you do. There are benefits and Draw backs.
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u/TheTraveller MAINZ, GER 24d ago
Here's what I think after 9 years of rural vs urban:
This is a game for city players, no doubt about that. But the game should be as inclusive as possible - not just for rural players, also for those that don't have a community / can't have one for various reasons from social anxiety to mobility problems to family commitments. Obviously, it will never be the same game for rural players, but here are two things that can help:
(been saying that for years) Solitary Pokéstops and those in very low density areas should drop twice the items than city stops. Also field research from those stops should refresh multiple times a day, maybe every 3-6 hours. Niantic has all the data, no problem to implement that, no money to lose for them here.
Bring back the 1-coin weekly box that gives 1 remote raid pass. Niantic has new owners now, should be reconsidered. If you must, make it so that only dedicated players get the box, let's say those that have caught a certain minimum number of Pokémon since the last box drop. Will not hurt Niantic's top line, for whales who make the vast majority of revenue this would be just a drop in the ocean.
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u/WearNothingButASmile 24d ago
sorry, WHEN has it not been a problem for rural players?
aside from commdays, which id bet would still be a problem because you get balls from pokestops (and gifts + DAI)
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u/Alfielovesreddit 24d ago
"but lately this game is becoming a pain for rural players."
It was from day 1.
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u/RiotDX 24d ago
Not really, but that's not necessarily because I have faith in Niantic/Scopely. In the last year, they've consistently cranked up the FOMO further for every event. We've gotten to the point where every day in August has an event going on, and every one has a paid ticket. The simple truth is that I don't fear for the future of PoGo because they've exhausted my ability to care about the game at all. I play it with my friends when we go out, but otherwise I don't open the game anymore. Played since 2016, lifelong Pokemon fan, but they've burned out my ability to care.
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u/ChocolatePain USA - Northeast 24d ago
It's never been for rural players, but even as an urban player, I'm finding myself losing interest in it. PTCG Pocket is my new best friend.
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u/Xeroshifter Portland, Oregon Mystic 24d ago
It's not just rural players man, its anyone who isn't no-lifing. It's the same as every other f2p game these days. The sheer number of events, their short duration, the resources needed to participate, and thus to keep up; the extremely limited size of your mp pool, the limits on daily/weekly pass accumulation, stardust/exp reward sizes; all of it is designed around playing every day, for multiple hours a day - and paying serious money to do so.
I live 15 minutes from the regular meet ups of an extremely large and supportive community (we're taking 70+ people showing up every week for meet ups, and literally hundreds every community day, such that vendors show up to our play spot each community day). And because I can't make multiple times per week, the only reason I can even catch anything at all is because I'm being carried by the sheer number of players.
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u/131166 24d ago
I have up caring about missing out after the first couple unreasonable egg hatch events and Marcelle re-evaluated how I play. Once I realised I couldn't completed every event or research or get every badge etc it freed me from that feeling of having to do everything.
At the end of the day, you gotta remember that the game is supposed to serve you. Whether it helps you walk more, socialise more, get more sun, get more endorphins, whatever. The game is a game and games are meant to make us happy and feel good. They can try and turn it into a full time job and if you let them dictate how your supposed to enjoy it then the games no longer serving you, you are serving it.
And so I keep doing what I was always doing and that's walking, catching, growing my level 1 or 4* collection etc and I'll do the events that interest me and ignore the ones that don't. My enjoyments gone way up the less I've called about events. And my spending has dropped to zero because I compare all my leisure purchases to coffee and if it's rather have X dollars worth of coffee then I buy coffee instead. Niantic hasn't offered me anything that has been able to compete with a cup of coffee (let alone 3-4 cups) for a long time now. I missed out on black/white Kyurem and said and shield dogs cause to get both each event it would have been about 3 cappuccinos worth of dollars so I got 3 cappuccinos instead.
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u/Enough-Bobcat8655 24d ago
That's always been the biggest weakness of this game imo. Since day 1, the best PoGo experience you can have is walking around downtown? How dumb is that?
I was 12 years old when Pokémon came out, then an adult when PoGo was announced. I really just wanted to climb a mountain and look for pokemon. Sadly, that's not the game at all.
There are already multiple other location based games where the entire map is populated evenly.
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u/Jen_on_reddit21 24d ago
I def got a feel for it these past 2 weeks. I live in a suburb of NYC — close enough to a decent amount of pokestops and gyms and everything, a few walking distance from my house, just lacking enough players to do the big things. But, if my schedule allows I can go to NYC for the really big events which is like heaven for any Pokemon event. The past 2 weeks I was in the Midwest visiting family. We spent 5 days at a small resort that had one max spot, no pokestops. I did manage to catch Pokemon and exchange gifts but it was so frustrating not to have access to a single pokestop. There was one day we drove to town and I spun a few stops and put Pokemon in gyms and 10 days later they are still there. Then we went to my in-laws house and no pokestops or max things in their area. Made it into town a few times but again, barely anything. One silver lining was on a 2 hour drive highway drive I did manage to pop someone in a showcase and came in first bc there was no competition. Was excited to be at the airport for an hour for the first day of this event and the entire terminal had 3 gyms and one max spot that didn’t replenish. Flying out from LGA was a Mecca, apparently that is not common. I don’t think I have the patience to be a rural player honestly it sucks… but I’m debating trying to submit a pokestop in my in-laws community… maybe one for the resort too as we will be going back for a week next summer. Is that something I can submit from a different geographic area or does it have to be while I am physically there?
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u/TYSM_myMax24 23d ago
I honestly think that the game is burning pokemon at a very fast pace, they raised powerbar above 5000s and are releasing Eternatus this week. They'll soon run out of pokemon and it's just major event/release after major release, no breaks.
Also you do bring up a valid point, rural players or players without a community or even group of friends have it horribly bad
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u/shadraig Western Europe 25d ago
If you aren't having enough gyms and pokestops you are rural.
There's a difference with some rainbow spectrums that ranges between urban cities, cities, towns and this turns into rural and remote areas (ending with Sahara and tundra/ice).
Now don't get me starting a new discussion but if you are rural then this game isn't fully playable.
nia-scopoppel has a lot of things possible for people to play, but in the end this game is about going outside and meet other people. If you are remote there's no people.
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u/redwineandbeer 25d ago
I spend part of my time in a smaller community. So I get what you’re saying. But I don’t think saying you aren’t supported by other players.
Most people have been pointing this out for years. Most have complained to the owners about remote Raid costs.
It seems like you’re trying to demand players quit in solidarity hoping to spur change. This won’t happen.
I truly get that this week is frustrating as doing high star raids and dynamax raids is virtually impossible. You can’t really host raids either on raiding platforms as they are flooded with others doing the same thing. But big cities are also hard. I drove in and couldn’t find many doing raids. It’s an issue for many
But this has been the reality for years. People complain to Niantic/scopely.
I just don’t think guilt is the way to go.
Offer solutions. Organize a thread to get people to write into them at one time.
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u/Efreet0 25d ago
Unfortunately those kind of posts are meaningless, paying players don't care at all for people who aren't spending and really invested free players usually take advantages of the perks of living in a big area with tons of players.
The reality is while the majority in numbers most free players are extremely casuals.
Expecting a good free experience out of a game designed to squeeze money out of people will always result in disappointment.
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u/Bruno_Frei-Maurer Western Europe 25d ago
Do you have gyms and powerspots or not?
If yes, use the rsvp and post your raid online. There are so many people willing to use remotes. I dont buy the "im alone" bs.
If no, genuine question, why youd bother to play. I have places i visit where there is nothing. And i would never open the game the weeks im there. No spawns. No gyms. No dynaspots. Why even bother opening if its not fun.
My guess is you have a gym or two and youre just unfamiliar with how easy it is to be host for other remote raiders.
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u/Thanky169 25d ago
You haven't been paying attention to the points system. Firstly the dmax cycle regularly. The 50 points a day can be done on lower dmax and raids.
You can host legendaries using your daily pass if you are patient. Even at current queue sizes, being organised like time of day for the demand, you can host them.
Finally the weekend will be uncapped on points and usually MASSIVELY increased points per actionable. If you are able to play at all you should soar up the points charts very very quickly. 60 levels shouldn't take long at all.
You also can remote on the weekend when the points are massively increased if you can go that route.
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u/Why-y-y-y 25d ago
You’re making the assumption that OP is able to do the lower raids and dmax. If OP is as rural as some players are then it could take over half an hour just to get to a poke stop.
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u/repo_sado Florida 25d ago
if it takes you half an hour to get to a pokestop then you are used to not having the majority of game features and wouldnt specifically be complaining about this
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u/akpak Team Valor - AK 25d ago
The first level of the pass gave everyone a dyna Wooloo; the same thing everyone started with when dyna battles debuted. You can do 1* max battles with just that one Wooloo, that’s how you get started!
If they’re so rural that they have no dyna spots or gyms… then this isn’t a game for OP, sad to say.
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u/DeltaBlast 25d ago
I don't get this complaining from other rural players. Everything but gmax can be done with three players. If you can't find two other locals (or even just one with a second account) then yeah okay why bother. It can't even be fun to do anything. But with 2-3 people you can do everything. And once you hit level 36, you can create your own spots and gyms. Trail markers are everywhere and there are plenty of other options too.
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u/esotericmoyer 25d ago
What is your suggested solution? The content is either too easy for urban or too hard for rural and there are WAY more urban players so it makes sense for them to cater in that direction, especially when they want to build communities and data.
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u/HairExtension9695 25d ago
The problem here is that this game is not for rural players, you are not the target they need.
But also there’s some new points, you have remote pass now, yes it’s expensive now, but before Covid you didn’t have any option.
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u/TrackFabulous1470 25d ago
The game was never meant for rural players. It is literally based on cell traffic/population density. I get your pain and it does absolutely suck that you can't enjoy the game to its fullest.
The issues that come with being a rural player aren't necessarily the game makers faults imo. Yes, they could do more but imagine what happens when city players are now allowed to do things significantly easier because the game skewed toward the minority rural players. For example, people have talked about instead of using a remote pass + MP for a powerspot raid they could just increase the MP cost by 50%. That way you dont burn a remote pass. Problem is that it would allow city players to crash out on power spots raids since they'd have so many opportunities.
From your perspective I think you should think of it more broadly. I think your feelings are valid but you are trying to demonize the game when it isn't really their fault that you aren't having a great time. If I play Call of Duty but my internet is trash and the nearest server is on the other side of the country, would I blame the game for that? No. Does it make it harder/worse/unplayable for me? yes it does. Would I say that the future of COD would suffer if they don't make a new server closer to me? No, because there are TONS of other people that don't experience this problem.
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u/whitetop666 25d ago
Dude many have quit the game, don't listen to the stats. Many are sick and tired of no players in their area or anywhere nearby, Many jumped on the cheating side and with the constant bans, they have also quit.
Sadly this game was mainly for big inner city players on and mainly japan, the rest are just left with themselves or the odd player and if lucky a cheater in a raid.
The real days of this game actually being what its meant to be has long gone but people just refuse to see it.
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u/macneto 25d ago
I live in a suburb north of New York city, been playing off and on since it's release in 2016.
Playing the game in a major city vs playing in a rural area is like putting the game on easy mode. It's almost laughable how much the experience is different.
Aside from the sheer amount of pokestop which essentially generates near unlimited items such as poke balls, fruit, healing potions etc.. The amount of pokemon is easily 5 times higher then in a rural area, and the biggest draw are local raids, which if played during the day, are most likely full each time you attempt.
Get yourself an auto spinner and you will generate so much xp and items, it will blow your mind.
It's always been this way.
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u/Kwikstyx El Paso, TX 25d ago
Niantic never found a way to make rural players important like they were in Ingress. John Hanke had mentioned this when Go came out but I guess they gave up.
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u/Whitealroker1 25d ago
Everybody worried about scopley. Last 6 weeks have been one of the more satisfied six weeks I’ve had in the game honestly. It cost me but that’s my choice.
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u/luna_creciente 25d ago
Sorry you feel that way. It sucks honestly to live so far away from the main events, it was like that for me before but it was during covid with all those free remotes.
Honestly they should give free remotes based on how far you live and how little you engage with group content. Doesn't make sense at all to alienate so many people when it takes so little.
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u/pokethrowaway4 25d ago
Try posting on a local page on reddit or somewhere else seeing if there’s other players, then try and gather for stuff.
I live in a small town; and our group is solid.
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u/9phillyfan9 25d ago
I’m a rural player. From my experience, the only thing that died is in person raiding. I live in a small town but we always had a caravan of cars and a group messenger chat for raids. Once remote raiding was introduced, nobody in my town raids in person anymore. The game is fine. It’s just easier to play if you live in populated areas.
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u/Ok-Set8022 25d ago
It has always been a pain for rural players nothings changed