r/TrollXChromosomes May 08 '17

Crying because of how true this is.

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u/scorpiousdelectus I wanna make a joke about sodium, but Na.. May 08 '17

Three reasons: The legal system would prefer to let a guilty person go free rather than send an innocent person to prison, hence "innocent until proven guilty", most rape happens in private and so witnesses and non biological evidence is hard to come by and most importantly: It's extremely hard to prove consent or lack thereof when there is a dispute.

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u/Broken_Alethiometer May 08 '17

I understand in a lot of he said/she said cases how it's hard to put away rapists. It's terrible, and victims come away feeling like no one believes them, but I think it's a very critical and very important part of our justice system to have innocent until proven guilty.

However, the fact that so many rape kits go untested, and that there's such difficulty in getting those rape kits an accurate police reporting when you go into the station, is absolutely terrible and needs to be corrected.

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u/Classic_Todd May 08 '17 edited May 08 '17

One aspect of this that I absolutely despise is that the Behavioral Science Unit of the FBI figured out the perfect way to do victim interviews decades ago. No later than the early 80s. They figured out that discombobulation is normal. That waiting before a victim reports is normal. That the best way to get reliable information is to always refer to the rape as "the crime" in an interview, to let the victim know that what was done to her was not her fault. It's beautiful to read, not hard to understand. You could copy those 20 something pages and sent them to every police station in the country, and if they became policy things would instantly become so much better, but somehow that hasn't happened. Every time I hear about a police interview it's a nightmare that goes against best practices established decades ago. It's bullshit >:(

Edit: I dug out my copy of the sex crime investigation text book. It's fewer pages than I remembered. Almost fits in a reddit post.

The initial interaction with the victim, the introduction, is the most critical phase of the interview process. Depending upon the victim’s perception of the interview, she will or will not feel comfortable with and confident in the ability of the police to assist her. The officer should introduce himself or herself in a professional, confident, and sincere manner, using the victim’s last name preceded by Ms., Mrs., Mr., or Miss. The interviewer(s) should accomplish three important tasks during this phase: express regret that the victim was assaulted (do not use the term rape), and assure her that she is the victim of a crime that was not her fault; assure her of her safety and that everything possible and reasonable will be done to maintain that safety; and convince her of the competence and experience of the interviewers.

An example scenario might proceed as follows:

Good evening, Ms. Roberts. I am Bob Jackson of the Sexual Assault Unit, and I would like to discuss the crime which occurred, if you are feeling up to it at this time. I want you to know how deeply I regret your being the victim of such an assault and that I and the other members of the department will do our best on your behalf. Other officers have completely checked your residence (where the assault occurred) and have secured it. I’ve arranged for our patrols to increase their travel through your neighborhood, and I will also provide you with an emergency police number before I leave. I’ve been an investigating officer for nine years and am experienced in such matters, so please don’t hesitate to ask questions during our time together.

The officer(s) should explain that the length of the interview will be as brief as possible and that, while the questions will necessarily be personal, their importance cannot be overemphasized and their answers will aid greatly in identifying the offender.

The officer(s) would be well advised to remember that the process involved is an interview and not an interrogation. The victim has agreed to be interviewed, and this is strongly suggestive that she wants to cooperate and has faith in the abilities of law enforcement. Consequently, it is recommended that the following factors be adhered to during the interview phase:

l. Involve the victim in the interview process. Explain the procedures that have taken place and those that will follow. Provide her with a phone number which she can call to obtain information about the progress of the investigation, or advise her that you will periodically call to keep her informed. Ask for her opinions throughout the interview.

  1. Allow the victim as much control as possible. Ask how she would like to be addressed, e.g., as Ms. Jones. Do not use her first name without her permission — do not presume the right. Inquire if the interview environment is agreeable to her or if she would be more comfortable elsewhere. Ask if she would prefer to describe the crime in her own words or if she would rather you ask questions. Determine if she wants anyone called.

  2. Listen and respond to her wishes and requests if at all possible.

  3. Pay attention to what she is saying and be alert to expressions of:

a. guilt (I shouldn’t have gone to the market so late),

b. fear (He said he would know if I called the police),

c. humiliation (I didn’t want to do that),

and d. unnecessary attempts to convince (I know this sounds strange, but it really did happen, or I tried/wanted to stop him).

Upon hearing such phrases, the officer should reassure the victim:

a. You have a right to travel as you wish without becoming a victim,

b.* You’re safe now inside your home,*

c. You had no choice in the matter,

and d. It doesn’t sound strange and I’m sure it happened, or You’re not expected or required to become injured or killed.

  1. Balance questions having to do with humiliating acts or sexual aspects with ones relating to the victim’s feelings. For example, if the victim had been asked about the occurrence of ejaculation (never ask if she “climaxed”), it should be balanced by a question such as Do you feel safe now? or May I get you something to drink? or Would you like to stop for a while?

  2. Begin by utilizing professional terminology. One can always lower the level of terms, but it is very difficult, if not impossible, to raise the level of terminology. An example would be questions pertaining to forced oral sexual acts. The professional interviewer will begin by using the term fellatio. It is quite probable that the victim might not be familiar with the term, and the officer would then use the term oral sex. Should the victim fail to understand at this level, the officer could ask, Did he make you put your mouth on his penis? To appreciate the value of such an approach, simply reverse the sequence.

  3. Use language that is nonjudgmental or threatening to the victim. Instead of Tell me about your rape, use Please describe the assault. Instead of stating a bias (What were you doing out so late?), provide the opportunity for the victim to tell what happened (Please describe what was happening leading up to the assault). Rather than saying, Why didn’t you fight him? ask, Did you have any opportunity to resist? The phrasing of the question can reveal the interviewer’s personal bias and feelings to the victim and may impede the investigation.

  4. Throughout the interview, it should become clear to the victim that the issues of power, control, anger, and aggression — not sexuality — are central to the crime. Sexuality is not the salient feature of the assault. A crime of violence has occurred and the victim should understand that it is this aspect on which the investigation will focus.

  5. Obtain the facts of the crime in as factual a manner as possible. The interviewer should take precautions to ensure that the victim does not perceive the process as voyeuristic in nature. It must be remembered that the victim is most likely the only witness to the crime; and should she perceive the officer as invasive, she may withhold vital information. The victim has been, and is in, a stressful situation. The officer must attempt to decrease stress, not increase it. Dwelling on sexual activities or rushing through discussion of them may precipitate flashbacks to the rape experience. In other words, a very narrow periphery exists for the interviewer to operate within, and common sense must prevail. In general, the best information is gathered by allowing the victim to tell her story in her own words. This method will help relieve some of her emotional tensions as well as to allow the officer to listen carefully to what she is saying and to evaluate her mood, general reactions, and choice of words. When asking direct questions, the officer should be sure the victim understands what is being asked. It is important to talk on her level. Always give the reason for asking the question.

Following the interview, the investigator should continue to include the victim in the process of the investigation. This approach is used to prevent the victim from feeling used by the system. The rapist has already conveyed such a feeling, and she must not perceive that she will be victimized by the system designed to prosecute her attacker. Therefore, it is suggested that the following information be provided to the victim:

  1. Advise her of the next step in the investigative process. At this point, the victim needs to have stability in her life and to be reassured that she will not become only a statistic in some file. She is important and should be made to feel that her importance is recognized and that everything possible will be done to ensure justice is served.

  2. As previously mentioned, she should be given a number to call or be told that she will be kept apprised of investigative progress.

  3. The victim should be referred to, or preferably introduced to, supportive services that have advocacy systems designed to assist her through this emotionally traumatic time.

  4. Ask whether the victim has any questions, and ensure that she fully understands what will happen in the future as well as her role in those events.

  5. Thank the victim! Express your appreciation for the time she has taken to help in the investigation. The victim should leave feeling safe, guiltless, and confident about what will be accomplished as a result of her cooperation.

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u/garena_elder May 08 '17

This is great. Slightly bothers me that the victim is always referred to as female but the officer is a "him/her," but I guess that's the 80s.

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u/candybrie May 08 '17

They do allow for the title being Mr., but you're right that it's a little awkward that they do him/her only for the officer.

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u/seanmharcailin Must be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. May 08 '17

And the example assault indicates a violent random crime by a stranger, rather than the more difficult and more common aggressive coercion by a friend or acquaintance.

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u/BlondieMenace May 08 '17

TBF, I think they wanted to illustrate the steps to take to make the victim feel safe while they don't know who the perpetrator is, since it's an added stress factor when it comes to rapes committed by a stranger. Hopefully in later editions they also give an example scenario of acquaintance/relationship assaults, where the pitfall usually lies in reassuring the victim that she will be heard and there's no implied consent to sex just because a person knows another.

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u/derefr May 09 '17

Also doesn't offer any guidance for interviewing someone who was raped under the influence of drugs/alcohol, might not be fully clear themselves on what happened, and likely feels bad that they're unable to give the information asked of them.

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u/seanmharcailin Must be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. May 09 '17

Yup. It's a great start though. And hopefully in subsequent additions they've addressed other situations

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u/seanmharcailin Must be Thursday. I never could get a hang of Thursdays. May 08 '17

What? That's not what I implied at all. Most rape, regardless of gender, is perpetrated by somebody the victim knows and trusts. I'd like to know more about how to address that situation, regardless of gender. Rape isn't just about physical power, any power disparity at all such as class, age, or even education can play into an assault.

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u/garena_elder May 08 '17

"See! Our laws are good and inclusive. We make sure that every party is mentioned."

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u/[deleted] May 08 '17

That is what I was afraid to point out! If something like this gets divulged (as it should), it should definitely be modified to include the other half of the population ... just make it known both genders can be the victim and the offender ...

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u/[deleted] May 08 '17

Replace victim with survivor and all pronouns with they and it's gold.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '17

Its the world we live in atm, but there is a lot of progress being made on that front. Im optimistic that in a few decades society at large will be familiarized with the fact that men are raped at equivalents rates to other victims.

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u/garena_elder May 08 '17

Does it really matter the frequency? I feel like that's a silly reason to push for the gendering. We should just try to be general in general.

https://cops.usdoj.gov/html/dispatch/07-2013/women_in_law_enforcement.asp

I totally support using him/her for the officer, despite only 13% being female. If that was made in the 80s, supposedly women were just 2% of the force and they still did it. So it wasn't a matter of "women get raped more so we're addressing them," it was a "rape victims are women" thing.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '17

My concern is that the inclusion of men on the basis of "its good for equality" subtly promotes the idea that they are a minor or less important part of the equation. Does that make sense? They should be included because its basic common sense to include half the victims.

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u/garena_elder May 08 '17

Why does it promote them being less important? When allocating funding / resources, it's not the spread of male to female that matters. Its # victims total combined with the overall average severity of the issue.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '17

It's kinda hard for me to explain. It's just a vibe I get. Like inclusion on the basis of social justice instead of sensibility. Male rape victims aren't a special interest group where we're saying "what about men?" But rather that it literally doesn't make sense to generalize rape victims as female

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u/50PercentLies May 09 '17

But rather that it literally doesn't make sense to generalize rape victims as female

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