r/TrueReddit • u/wiredmagazine Official Publication • 6d ago
Science, History, Health + Philosophy The Baby Died. Whose Fault Is It?
https://www.wired.com/story/the-baby-died-whose-fault-is-it-surrogate-pregnancy/86
u/Mindless_Let1 6d ago
Yeah bro I'm pretty sure Bi is at fault here... Incredible levels of psychopathy and lack of compassion.
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u/dragonbornsqrl 5d ago
Some people shouldn’t be parents. I think a sad event happened that sent bi off mentally and now this poor woman is stuck trying to recover physically and financially while be attacked online. What a mess
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u/XkF21WNJ 6d ago
I'm not sure it makes sense to assign fault here. One of the hardest truths is that sometimes bad things just happen, for no reason.
Unless you are not talking about the title, because what Bi did was clearly wrong.
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u/Mindless_Let1 6d ago
Yeah, I was being a bit more general in terms of at fault in the overall situation, not that she's directly responsible for the death of the child.
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u/krebstar4ever 5d ago
Both Bi and her husband's families had placental issues, just like Bi's surrogate.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
Fr. And placental issues are genetic, not environmental. Add that to the 3x multiplier on maternal risk on surrogate parents and the already outrageous claim that Smith murdered Bi's baby for cash starts to look like pure delusion.
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u/Peoplegrower6 2d ago
Except issues in the placenta, which the surrogate has placental abruption, is directly related to the DNA in the embryo (Cindy and her husband)
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u/Persistent_Parkie 4d ago
Yes, that title is criminal. It should of been "woman goes off the deep end and proves why surrogates need more legal protection"
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u/cairnrock1 2d ago
Typical techbro investor type. Utterly psychotic. Always stay far far away. Absolutely at fault.
Here is a clue: if you want a healthy pregnancy, try not threatening to destroy the pregnant woman. JFC
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u/pineappleHD 6d ago
So this woman was on SSRIs for work-related PTSD and lithium for bi-polar disorder, she put two women’s lives and potentially a third life in danger, she has stalked and harassed one woman, and she has a warrant out for her arrest in Virginia, and her husband is just like “oh, this is just her way of grieving”??? If he wanted to, he would.
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u/erstwhiletexan 6d ago
It's actually unclear to me from the article whether she was taking lithium to treat her bipolar at the time, or just the SSRI.
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u/pineappleHD 6d ago
It says an SSRI for PTSD in the beginning of the article, and toward the end it says she looked for a surrogate the minute she came off of the lithium she used to treat her bi-polar disorder. 😬
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u/cannotfoolowls 4d ago
Went off lithium, which prevents mania and then does something possibly manic...
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr 3d ago
I have PTSD, and thus the idea of someone getting it from being stressed out at work is comical to me. What the fuck is that about?
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u/katy_bug 3d ago
I mean, there are definitely toxic, abusive workplaces out there. Bosses and coworkers who are abusive (physically, verbally, sexually). Not saying that’s what she experienced, but I definitely think it’s possible to have PTSD from a terrible workplace.
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u/Hideo_Kojima_Jr_Jr 2d ago
I get that, but if your partner came home and said “yeah work was stressful today” and then you followed up later and found out they meant they were sexually harassed you’d be like hey what a minute, I wouldn’t call that work stress lol. Work stress is like oh no PowerPoint crashed.
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u/-shrug- 1d ago
I had a manager who lied to me and about me constantly. I don’t have PTSD, but at the time I had nightmares, my blood pressure went up, I was grinding my teeth at night, etc. I had a nightmare about her just recently. And I only worked for her for six months, 7 years ago.
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u/Animostas 12h ago
I've had really toxic experiences with workplace politics. If you endure that for a long time then it really grinds at you. Cindy is in venture capital which I'm sure gets way more insane.
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u/Idontlikeyoushutup 4d ago
So according to the surrogacy agency's psychological consult, Bi only took an SSRI. But she actually is on lithium to treat her bipolar. The article probably cannot speculate about where this inconsistency may have arisen for legal reasons. The article does mention, however, that wealthy intended parents (IPs) can shop around for doctors, surrogacy agencies and therapists that won't tell them no. It also mentions that IPs do not always need to provide full medical records.
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u/Peoplegrower6 2d ago
Got any info on this warrant she has?? Tried to google it and I can’t find anything.
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u/dolyez 6d ago
The craziest bit is when they reveal that Smith's pregnancy complications were known issues stemming from the the biological parents who did not disclose their pregnancy related familial medical history to the surrogate. Bi seems like she is deep in bipolar mania suing the shit out of this woman and meanwhile the fuckin early water breaking issue may come from her husband's family!! What!!!
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u/lark-sp 5d ago
Plus, they plan to try for another with yet another surrogate! The pregnancy complications from their genes have caused emergency surgery that nearly killed 2 women so far. They want to make it 3. It says they have no plans to tell their latest surrogate her life might be endangered by bad genes from the biological parents.
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
Hopefully any prospective GC would Google their names and find this information. What is scarier is the idea that they might go overseas for an even more disadvantaged woman to exploit.
I do not thing surrogacy is inherently exploitative, but the current lack of regulation and the imbalance of power in the contracts are a massive issue.
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u/canteloupy 23h ago
The article explains quite well why you cannot legislate your way out of the imbalances in power: at the end the baby has to be given to the parents, you cannot just end your end of the contract as a surrogate.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
The fact that she's out here blaming the surrogate; going as far as to claim she intentionally murdered her fucking baby. Like??? And the whole time she's put two women's lives in actual danger by not disclosing these very important and very dangerous complications and is considering doing the same to a third? Her last surrogate almost died and she's so blasé about it it verges on psychopathic. How is this woman so divorced from reality and so devoid of basic human decency? Does being rich genuinely just make you fucking insane?
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u/Kenyalite 4d ago
But her husband's family is white so it can't be that!!!
The whole "rough sex with a black man" part is dangerously racist. It's some shit you would see in 1920.
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u/AmbassadorMountain83 1d ago
She is also going into debt and not paying lawyers i feel for the surrogate honestly
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u/Accurate-Force3054 6d ago
I don't know Cindy Bi but she reminds me a bit of Nicole Shanahan. When money, power, delusion and biology intersect it can be pretty scary and sad. I wonder if she still stands by texting the photo of the dead baby to the little boy.
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u/istara 6d ago
She is someone who should NEVER have become a parent.
I fear for her daughter. I hope the father eventually divorces her and gets custody.
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u/areallyreallycoolhat 6d ago
The father has sat by and watched this happen, and still thought the marriage was worth saving. I'm sure he's better than Cindy because almost anyone has to be, but he doesn't seem great either
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u/Twodotsknowhy 5d ago
He describes the litigation as her "grieving process," like it's a harmless past time instead of a relentless targeted attempt to ruin the life of a woman who nearly died trying to give them a son
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
The father who said he's happy to let Cindy go on this insane tirade, fully aware that she was attempting to ruin an innocent woman because "litigation is “her grieving process."? Nah. Neither of these clowns should be parents.
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u/Twodotsknowhy 5d ago
Cindy Bi is obviously mentally ill but she also seems to be a deeply evil human being and that is a very dangerous combination
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u/radiodaze3113 6d ago
Yeah I just found her on Instagram and everything you pictured is correct.
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u/Sufficient-Mud-687 4d ago
I said she took it down, but I just found her. Wow. She is something else …
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u/Playful_Landscape252 5d ago
She does. It’s in the lawsuit.
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u/Accurate-Force3054 5d ago
good luck to her daughter. Hope she never makes her mom too mad. oof.
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u/Playful_Landscape252 4d ago
Seriously, I feel so bad for her poor daughter, in addition to obviously both surrogates. This women truly has no business having children, or even having access to children.
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u/noname2256 6d ago
Bi needs to be institutionalized. What she’s putting that poor woman though is insane. And messaging her son? She needs help.
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u/WhyAmINotStudying 5d ago
There comes a point where people don't need help. They need to be separate from society.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
Messaging the seven year old a picture of a dead baby and then running to the press thinking they'll paint you up to be the good guy is behaviour so unhinged I'm baffled she made it this far in life.
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u/wiredmagazine Official Publication 6d ago
Between a restraining order and $750,000 in legal fees, Cindy Bi is not supposed to be telling us this story. The case of her and her surrogate shows how, with little regulation and extreme inequality, the miracle of life can mutate into a death sentence.
After meeting her future husband in a Silicon Valley pub, Bi, a venture capitalist, was ready for a child. She signed up with Surrogate Alternatives, Inc, met her surrogate Rebecca Smith, and they clicked—implanting Bi’s only male embryo inside of Smith.
Throughout the pregnancy, Bi would post Smith’s updates on Facebook. One post mentioned Smith had gotten a new job. In response, the COO of an insurance agency told Bi to double-check whether Smith’s new policy would cover the pregnancy. It freaked Bi out. When a surrogate breaks contract, her IPs can stop paying her and stop paying the medical bills for her pregnancy. But if an IP breaks contract, a GC typically has to navigate the legal system.
Fast-forward to 29 weeks, Smith was in the ER for the month in hopes baby Leon’s lungs would develop. One morning, the nurses came in and did morning monitoring. Leon had no heartbeat. The child that she’d carried for seven months would lay dead in her arms.
Bi and her husband arranged flights to see their son’s body. “I didn’t sleep,” Bi said, “I was contacting attorneys.” Smith, meanwhile, had spent several hours in surgery. According to court filings, she lost a lot of blood and nearly died. Smith sent a condolence email to Bi. Bi texted her a screenshot of a post about a GC who also had an abruption at almost 32 weeks—but that GC had called 911 and the baby had lived. Next, Bi sent a photo of Leon’s corpse to Smith’s 7-year-old son’s iPad.
In the months after Leon died, Bi:
- Called the FBI 11 times
- Reported Smith, SAI, and the hospital
- Launched a $30M venture fund on Leon’s due date
- Shared Smith’s personal info on her site
Smith, fearful, filed a restraining order against Bi. Smith had also planned to go back to work shortly after giving birth but she couldn’t stop bleeding. While the surrogacy company determined she hadn’t breached the contract, the escrow stopped paying, and she was facing an increasing pile of terrifying bills. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills are in Smith’s name. Smith’s employer-provided insurance initially agreed to pay, but revoked coverage after Bi emailed them alleging fraud. “Treated like a human incubator and not like a person.”
And Bi? She found an attorney who would represent her without charging hourly. He’ll sue the doctors and the hospital for malpractice and pursue arbitration against Rebecca Smith, SAI, and other parties in exchange for 40 percent of Bi’s winnings.
Read more: https://www.wired.com/story/the-baby-died-whose-fault-is-it-surrogate-pregnancy/
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u/run85 6d ago edited 6d ago
Bi is sick and scary, and I think her grief is making her scarier. I find her to be incredibly entitled. Wealth doesn’t protect you from sadness. You’re not guaranteed a baby just because you’ve paid out the nose for one. You don’t have a right to control another woman’s body or personal life like that. Ugh.
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u/Upper-Rub 5d ago
I am increasingly coming around on the idea that paid surrogacy should be illegal.
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u/ohwhattarelief 5d ago
I agree. It’s already illegal to be paid to be a kidney or liver donor and the ethical arguments are well established. This seems so much more emotionally complex and fraught with potential disaster from the beginning.
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u/abillionbells 3d ago
I’m just flat out anti-surrogacy. Unless you get parental rights, it’s an extremely fucked up and exploitable situation.
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u/indigoneutrino 3d ago
Technically it was illegal where this happened. The article said Smith could only be paid "reimbursements".
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u/Accurate-Force3054 6d ago
I've been thinking about how with a few tweaks this story can also be about the rich and powerful people who are trying to rely on anti abortion rules to better control their surrogacy outcomes. Grossed out.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
It's so scary how quickly after overturning Roe v Wade the US has devolved to subpoena-ing period trackers and prosecuting miscarriages. A Trump voting socialite claiming that the surrogate who miscarried after spending weeks in the hospital monitoring the health of the baby she carried for seven months MURDERED her son is fucking insane but it makes sense. She's on that MAGA brainrot.
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u/hannibe 6d ago
How could literally anyone be on the IP’s side??
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u/lmnop8901 6d ago
Her other surrogate is on her side! She even went to court to support her knowing all of this!!! Smith needs support and a lawyer to help her. She’s been drug through the mud for over a year. She’s tried to get this to stop and all Cindy says is “why hasn’t she sued me yet!” I wish a lawyer would come out and support Smith with a team that defends her against Cindy’s money.
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u/ADcakedenough 5d ago
The other surrogate was probably trying to make sure her payments didn’t dry up either- with all of the complications she went through I’m sure she has an incredible amount of medical bills. Cindy already proved a million times over she’d refuse to pay contracted fees or even adhere to a criminal restraining order.
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u/Radical_Tedward 5d ago
Where did you read about the other surrogate going to court to support Cindy?
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u/lmnop8901 4d ago
I am family of the surrogate. I was there I know the other surrogate was there. Cindy has also posted the other surrogate’s response to the restraining order all over X and her Facebook, instagram and website.
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u/Otherwise-Dare-2165 2d ago
I know the second surrogate personally, and she did NOT know MANY of the things that are included in this article. She was definitely taken by surprise by a lot of what was said in the article because all she knew before that was what Cindy told her
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u/Otherwise-Dare-2165 2d ago
Do not make assumptions and start rumors about the other surrogate that has already been through so much trauma. She was not aware of a lot of these things because she was only told things from Cindy’s POV .
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u/countrycrick 2d ago
If you are family, I recommend you speak to SP and advise her to seek legal counsel and file a countersuit. I believe that if she approaches the right lawyer, they will represent her for a contingency fee. This could be a significant case for future GCs and surrogacy as a whole. If that doesn't work, she needs to start a GoFundMe and hire a lawyer herself.
My legal theories:
A. Failure to Disclose: GC1 has a case against Cindy Bi, Jorge Valdeiglesias and SAI for a willful and/or reckless failure to disclose medical history that led to GC1's complications such as the placenta abruption and GC2's gestational diabetes, placenta previa, placenta accreta and emergency hysterectomy. SAI has a duty to protect GCs and failed by not requiring this information from IPs. Bi and Valdeiglesias were aware of their family history and witheld this information from both SAI, GC1 and GC2.
B. Failure to Inform: SAI has a fiduciary duty to both IPs and GCs, however, since SAI profits originate from IPs, they neglect the best interest of GCs. For example, surrogacy companies require detailed medical information from GCs during their selection process to ensure the best ROI outcomes for IPs. GCs are not afforded commensurate protections, given they risk the potential loss of their own life-- a risk IPs do not have. GCs should have a right to evaluate their risks based on detailed information about IPs relevant medical history collected by SAI. SAI has a duty to inform GCs of these risks and allow GCs make an informed decision that is based upon more than just "feelings" of emotional compatibility. Moreover, this risk assessment should be presented to medical staff, since a medical history of only the GC fails to provide physicians with a full picture of potential risks to GCs from IPs genetic makeup.
C. Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress: Cindy Bi & Jorge Valdeiglesias had reason to believe that GC1 and GC2's medical complications were related to (if not a direct result of) their genetic makeup which forms the placenta. With this knowledge, and without any substantial evidence of GC1's malicious intent, they still led a campaign against GC1 to ruin the life of her and her child based on psychic readings and psychotic (off her meds) paranoid suspicions. (I think the article lays this out pretty well so no need to go into detail here).
D. Defamation & Tortious Interference with Employment: Again, Cindy Bi & Jorge Valdeiglesias had reason to believe hat GC1 and GC2's medical complications were related to (if not a direct result of) their genetic makeup which forms the placenta. With this knowledge, and without any substatantial evidence of GC1's malicious intent, they still led a campaign against GC1, founded on baseless claims, to cause her to loose both her employment and insurance coverage by way of libel and/or slander. (I think the article lays this out pretty well so no need to go into detail here).
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I am not a lawyer, so please seek legal counsel and hopefully what I have written can get her started. There may be more going on in this case so she should not limit her options. Have her keep a record of every phone call, text message, FBI call, IG, TiKTok, X, FB... post that was made... Everything! Every one of GC's employers that were contacted by Cindy Bi, etc. Tell her to collect everything and lawyer up. Give this chick what she wants...a fight. Sounds like she's running low on cash but has nice assets... "size-zero" to be exact.
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u/areallyreallycoolhat 2d ago
The surrogacy contract required arbitration so it might be harder for the GC than you think. Cindy just has the ability to ignore this and keep getting suits tossed out
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u/Otherwise-Dare-2165 2d ago
I know the other surrogate personally, and she was NOT aware of many of the things in this article
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
The only people I've seen on IPs side are the ones who read the article with their eyes closed.
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u/Agreeable-Egg1047 6d ago
The fetus died bc his lungs failed to develop. This isn’t something that the surrogate can control. The fetus didn’t died from negligence or malnutrition.
Cindy Bi is a sociopath who is clearly deranged. She’s taking revenge because this is the only male embryo. The lack of rationale and compassion is beyond my comprehension.
If we’re gonna be assigning faults here, Cindy, YOU failed to protect your baby. You couldn’t carry him and couldn’t pass on better genetics.
How DARE you launch a campaign against a woman who put HER OWN BODY and health at risk to carry your child?? That fetus could have killed the surrogate too.
This Cindy Bi woman is an entitled POS.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
Cindy, your surrogate sat in hospital for weeks monitoring your baby's health while you partied in New York, and you have the gall to claim her seven year old kicked your son to death by sleeping beside his mommy? You evil bitch.
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u/leviicorpus 6d ago
this psycopath just posted on twitter about fighting for “justice for baby leon”
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
"Baby Leon could have been saved many times along the way." Girl. He had no lungs..
Like I get her point is that at 28 weeks a fetus is technically viable. But your. Son. Had. No. Lungs.
The doctors (with medical degrees) kept his mom on antibiotics in the hospital rather than induce her because he needed more time in vitro.. to develop lungs.
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
In utero. In vitro means "in glass" or in a lab.
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u/LupineVenom 5d ago
Honest to god someone needs to put cindy in a hospital, and someone needs to give rebecca smith her money. This is so evil, what is the matter with some of these rich people?!
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u/MolemanEnLaManana 6d ago
I feel horrible for Smith, and for Bi’s kid. Yet another story of a psychopath in the tech world with too much money and power.
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u/ADcakedenough 5d ago
Imagine getting pregnant with this lady’s baby and then finding this all out.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago edited 5d ago
Have you seen the insane chatGPT memorial from her dead sons POV she posted where half of it is congratulating herself on her latest venture capital project? I don't know what I should have expected from a woman who thinks psychics and mediums are a valid way to collect Intel for her upcoming legal case, but it's absolutely unhinged.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
Pasted here for your reading pleasure:
Advocacy for IPs, Save Lives and Families 👼🏻
Baby Leon, 3/18/2024 👶🏼 My name is Baby Leon. Although I was born a sleeping angel 👼🏻, I speak to you now with #Love and care.
Mama, as you launch CapitalX Fund II on my due date, 3/18/2024, may you soar to new heights, empowering entrepreneurs, making a lasting impact on this earth, and helping build a better world.
CapitalX is the embodiment of Mama’s dedication and ambition, a symbol of Mama’s #resilience and determination to make a change through investment and #influence. I offer my eternal blessings.
Dad, your handsom looks and steadfast #temperament shaped my #existence. I heard you and Mama cry and laugh next to me, #admiring how I looked 90% like you: my hair, forehead, eyebrow bone, nose, lips, chin, ears, and long feet. But look, I got Mama’s wide #hands! I am forever grateful for your presence in my creation.
Mama and Dada, as you #mourn my absence, hold fast to the dreams you had for me. Know that those aspirations extend to Mira, your shining beacon of hope: your #rainbow daughter.
Mira, my dear sister, I wish I could have witnessed the attention and #guidance Mama and Dada would have bestowed upon us as we grew. Though I cannot experience it firsthand, I know they will shape you into the #remarkable individual you are destined to become.
Mama and Dada, as you cradle Mira in your arms, know that I am watching over all of you and showering you with my #eternal love. Together, you will weather life's storms, finding strength in each other's embrace and in the legacy we all continue to build.
Mama, thanks for giving me a #voice.
Mama, thanks for #birthing me in this special and meaningful way.
With my eternal #gratitude, Your Baby Leon
(ChatGPT did 90% of the writing. CapitalX’s work is only getting #started.)
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u/Fantastic-Habit5551 5d ago
This is insane. Where did she post this, I can't find it on her insta or twitter?
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u/nayandnem 5d ago
She sent a picture of a dead baby to a 7 year old’s ipad. She is a fucking lunatic.
Also did anyone get weird racial bias vibes from her? Saying that the surrogate’s 7 year old biracial son was “adult sized” and her black baby father must’ve had rough sex with her? That is thinly veiled “black men are aggressive” stereotype to me.
To try to ruin someone’s life who tried to help you is horrible and I don’t understand why the lawyers are helping her when she owes them hundreds of thousands of dollars??? I hope a lawyer reads this article and helps Smith so she can go on with her life.
Cindy needs to be in a padded room somewhere and shame on her husband for not stopping her from acting this way. She doesn’t need any children in her care, she needs meds and hospital slippers.
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u/SaddestDaughter 5d ago
I absolutely did. Especially when she describes joy at seeing her dead baby in the hospital because he was white, like his dad. That and the fact that she's a Trump voter definitely says "racial bias" to me.
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u/mayinherstep 6d ago
Horrendous scenario. It’s awful to see litigation abuse played out in this arena. I’m surprised she hasn’t been hit with a vexatious litigant charge. I wonder if the jurisdictions being CA and VA affect that
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u/Personal-Assistance1 5d ago
Was anyone else surprised by the fact that Bi and her husband never called into the prenatal appointments?
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
Not at all.
She was 43, which is an advanced maternal age, but not uncommon these days for a first pregnancy, especially in the tech world. She could have carried her own embryos. She didn't want to. She wanted to outsource the unpleasantness and danger of pregnancy. She was only interested in so far as what she could control about Smith's body, not the actual development of the baby. She clearly thinks so highly of herself that she just assumed nothing could go wrong from the fetal side. For example, she is a size zero, petite Asian woman and was surprised and upset that the fetus was measuring in the 30th percentile. Yeah, your small body genetics are his small body genetics.
I think surrogacy can be an incredible tool to help people create their families. Gay men who want to have children, people who have had to undergo hysterectomy, women born without wombs at all, etc. What we need are regulations that shift the balance of power in surrogacy contracts. Both sides should be providing relevant medical histories. IPs should not be permitted to halt payments from the escrow accounts. Contracts should not be allowed to require a live birth in order to pay out medical bills incurred by the pregnancy. And carriers should have anonymity if they so wish so bereaved intended parents can't do what Cindy Bi is doing.
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
One of the most stunning things Cindy Bi said was that Smith "kidnapped" her baby.
Ms. Bi, you LITERALLY PUT YOUR BABY INSIDE OF HER BODY. You got to know her medical history relevant to pregnancy, but did not inform her that your own family has a history of placenta problems and your husband's family has a history of premature rupture of membranes, which is also related to the placenta.
Also, her saying that "surrogacy is supposed to be the safest" was galling. Safest for YOU, but 4 times more dangerous for the person carrying your child.
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u/areallyreallycoolhat 4d ago
Shes accusing the GC of kidnapping her baby but her excuse for sending the photo of the deceased baby to the GC's child was that she thought he'd appreciate seeing a photo of his brother. Not that I expect consistency from this lunatic but make it make sense.
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u/SaddestDaughter 4d ago
This and the feeling that she can tell Smith when and how she's allowed to have sex really felt like she was power tripping off the way SAI treated her like a valued customer over Rebecca being treated like the product she was purchasing. Very "I'm renting your womb. You better behave."
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
At one point in the article there was someone who used the term "catalog of wombs"
Disgusting attitude.
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u/sonamata 5d ago
Truly horrible what happened to the surrogate. I can't imagine what hell that little boy avoided.
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u/watermark3133 4d ago
What did I read? That Bi lady is effing nuts.
Don’t think anyone is at fault except if the doctors treating Smith erred in their treatment under the appropriate standard of care.
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u/EnsignNogIsMyCat 4d ago
Even then, the risk of complications is increased 4 fold in surrogacy pregnancies, and Smith and her doctors were not working with complete information, given that Bi and her husband did not disclose their own family histories of placenta problems and premature rupture of membranes.
If Bi had provided that information the doctors might have made different calculations. Without that information they had to go with what they could see on ultrasound and vaginal exam, and they didn't see any sign of the abruption.
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u/GadFlyBy 4d ago
Bi displays classic narcissism throughout the article. It is unfortunate that the rich have effectively infinite access to legal and extra-legal tools of torture.
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u/belai437 2d ago
The story kept getting more and more horrible, peaking with Bi begging Smith to please drop the restraining order so she could return to attacking Smith online.
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u/moontreemama 1d ago
Has anyone been able to find a gofundme or some way to support this surrogate?
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u/DanishWhoreHens 1d ago
That poor baby girl is growing up in a home with an apparently narcissistic bi-polar lunatic and a wet pancake of a father. God help her because no one else will able to. Imagine what her life will be like with Bi trying to micromanage everything and everyone in her life?
Smith deserves several million dollars and a new identity.
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u/Ok_Football_509 1d ago
Is there a gofundme for Smith? The article notes that it’s not her real name and searches under the alias aren’t bringing anything up. I have overwhelming sympathy for this woman, it feels like financial support could really help.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 1d ago
Me too. I’m also worried about the author and the hell that can be rained upon her simply bc this article didn’t get the reception Cindy expected
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u/lmnop8901 20h ago edited 19h ago
Her family has started a GoFundMe. I wanted to share it with those of you that have been asking about it. I’d you could please share it they would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!
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u/Classsssy 22h ago
Honestly, everyone in this situation is an asshole. Apparently the surrogate didn't disclose that she was bleeding 10 days prior and a bunch of other lurid details, which if substantiated would make her not the right candidate for IVF.... But this lunatic of a VC goes to Psychics to ascertain the cause of the issue?
Quite an interesting situation.
I know that VC's are ruining this country, but had this woman been of more modest means, then I think we'd all be less critical.
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u/theobviousanswers 9h ago
In the article the surrogate said that she did disclose it promptly to her medical team, and that it was pinkish discharge which isn’t uncommon. Bi was so unhinged and controlling she was navigating a way to tell her.
The surrogate upended her and her own son’s life to go on bed rest in hospital- that’s a pretty damn conscientious thing to do.
We can’t know, but it’s very plausible the surrogate is not an asshole.
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