r/TrueReddit • u/CVance1 • 5d ago

Policy + Social Issues The Baby Died. Whose Fault Is It?

https://www.wired.com/story/the-baby-died-whose-fault-is-it-surrogate-pregnancy/?utm_brand=wired&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=aud-dev
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u/CVance1 5d ago

A story that should be just another example of the many failures of the American medical system and our lack of regulation into anything slowly morphs into one about a very unwell woman seeking revenge on a person who does not have as much control as she wants it to seem like, thus turning it into a story about unchecked entitled VCs and the shady state of surrogacy.

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u/Synaps4 5d ago

Is there a non paywalled version of this article we can discuss?

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u/wholetyouinhere 5d ago

Every time I bring this up, some smug Redditor will tell me I need to pay for journalism, as if Reddit is some kind of online marketplace where I come to buy subscriptions.

It's insulting. This is a link aggregation site. It's not for posting paywalled content. If people want to pay for good journalism, they can go to their preferred outlets and purchase it directly.

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u/Synaps4 5d ago

It's catch22. Quality journalism cannot exist for free, and reddit cannot exist without content we can all read to discuss.

In some ways reddit and the social media sharing ecosystem are antithetical to paid journalism.

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u/wholetyouinhere 5d ago

But it isn't Reddit's job to subsidize journalism. There's endless ways journalism can support itself, completely separate from Reddit. Reddit is but one avenue. There is also an endless world of links out there that can be posted to Reddit, which do not require subscriptions to read.

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u/Synaps4 5d ago

It may not be reddits job, but it's our problem as citizens and consumers of news.

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u/wholetyouinhere 5d ago

Yes, I agree. I just fundamentally don't believe that Reddit is the place to litigate that issue. This has never been a place to post paywalled content, and I don't want to see that normalized. There are endless places on the internet I can go to pay for things. This is one of the few where I go to not do that.

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u/Synaps4 5d ago

Yeah for sure. I was more trying to say that discussing solutions on reddit would be very appropriate even if reddit itself didn't care about finding the solution.

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u/Pirate_Ben 2d ago

The medical system really didn’t fail in this case. Babies are still stillborn or die in utero all the time even with excellent medical care. Not every bad outcome is preventable despite what TV makes you believe.

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u/Entwife723 4d ago

The stuff about Bi finding a 'psychic' to say that the surrogate was having 'rough sex' that 'killed the baby'... like, seriously? Millions of dollars to play with doesn't make you correct, intelligent, or even fucking SANE.

My deepest sympathies to the poor surrogate who suffered, and is suffering, and will probably continue to suffer the insanity of that awful person.

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u/stardustantelope 4d ago

I’m honestly super surprised the surrogacy service doesn’t like have people pre sign agreements related to what happens if the pregnancy goes wrong. Since so many can go wrong without it being the surrogates fault.

Bi does sound like sociopath here and she also sounds like someone deeply in need of therapy. It feels like most gone wrong surrogacies would be like this, with a much wealthier person grieving and having way more money to throw at the surrogate.

I’m ALSO surprised she was able to get basically two overlapping surrogates since her daughter was born only 6 months later. That feels like going past using surrogates to make up for your own medical issues to just using surrogates to reproduce faster than you could on your own.

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u/CVance1 4d ago

The article mentions she has bipolar disorder, which honestly made a lot of this click into place. But it's still no excuse, especially when she was aware both her and her husband had genetic histories predisposed to difficult births and the other surrogate also had complications when delivering.

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u/CVance1 4d ago

Probably some additional weirdo fucking valley or effective altruism eugenics nonsense going on with her. These people have too much money and not enough people to tell them no, and they're all siphoned off in their own weird bubbles.

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u/BeerorCoffee 4d ago

She sounds like an awful person. 

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u/omg1979 3d ago

She's had six nannies already! I wonder who the real problem is here?! Literally unhinged, texting a child. I hope her husband sees how harmful this person is to his child and leaves before she ruins that baby.

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u/libra00 3d ago

Man, I was already having a hard time maintaining sympathy for this lying litigious bitch, but then I saw this line. Nah, fuck you, you go to hell and you DIE.

Next, Bi iMessaged a photo of Leon’s corpse to Smith’s 7-year-old son’s iPad.