r/UFOs • u/TommyShelbyPFB • 6d ago

Disclosure New Army Witness - Former Intelligence officer Caison Best shares his UFO experience - "Massive, perfectly still, elliptical object". The panels on the object seemed to be moving and rippling. “I can relate to… being a caveman and seeing an iPhone for the first time. It was just a shocking object.”

Caison was ignored by his chain of command, they tried burying this story, until he was connected with Ryan Graves' organization "Americans for Safe Aerospace".

https://x.com/uncertainvector/status/1962972294470627385

https://twitter-thread.com/t/1962970646222180738

In 2022, near Cheyenne Mountain Space Force Base, Caison and four colleagues witnessed a UAP. What happened next reveals how institutions fail those who serve.

The next day, Caison filed a formal intelligence report with corroborating witness accounts.

Instead of urgency, he was met with indifference. Reporting channels were buried. Official replies were dismissive. This was over one of America’s most sensitive security sites.

That could have been the end. But in 2023, Caison connected with ASA (Americans for Safe Aerospace. By 2024, he was leading our reporting program. Since then, he has helped process nearly 800 reports and interviewed 50+ credible witnesses, many of them aviators and intelligence officers.

The lesson is clear.
Institutions are failing credible witnesses. Civil society must step in.

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u/ABCWeekendSpecial 6d ago

There is no instinct in me at all that detects any deception. He is not lying. Regardless of the origin of the craft, he experienced seeing this.

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u/miomidas 6d ago

Still such a shame we have only very vague two-sentence descriptions of the craft itselve

Especially the details of the surface would have been interesting to see in detail

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u/aliensporebomb 6d ago

But also - what if you saw something your mind had problems parsing. He even said "it's like showing a caveman an iphone". Imagine what he saw! I can imagine a lot! But if it went beyond what you can imagine, well, very interesting to say the least.

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u/PenisPumpAccident 6d ago edited 6d ago

And this testimony will be ignored like all the other credible testimonies, because he can't show us an dead alien body.

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u/PCmndr 6d ago

No his testimony will be ignored because it is not falsifiable evidence.

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u/MrNostalgiac 6d ago

This is really the crux of things.

These testimonies aren't dismissed for being false. They are being dismissed because they can't be proven to be true.

These stories are important - but they aren't enough. We need a smoking gun.

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u/Overcooked_Filet 6d ago

Maybe the disclosure hasn’t happened because we don’t know what we’re disclosing? These stories can only possibly be a starting point to investigate further.

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u/TOGA_TOGAAAA 5d ago

My thing is . What is the big secret? Why do..(whomever) think the general public is just going to jump up and cease to exist if we find out that there are aliens? What does the government really think we are going to do? It's pretty damn obvious that they exist, whether or not they are intelligent beings or whatever.. we know that there are other crafts, from places other than Earth, there is just too much evidence. I just don't understand why they are trying to keep everyone in the dark, it is not 1930 anymore, we will be just fine . Life as we know it, will not change , simply by knowing they exist.

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u/devraj7 5d ago

we know that there are other crafts

No we don't know that. Unless you have some solid evidence that is not "someone saw a thing"?

from places other than Earth

How do you know that?

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u/Overcooked_Filet 4d ago

We forgot about the tic tac video did we?

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u/devraj7 4d ago

Just another video like hundred others that proves nothing.

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u/Thund3rMuffn 6d ago

I always think of the “undigestible truth” comment when it comes to this. Even if we had a heavily smoking gun, no one really knows what to do with it. It’s still so disconnected from the microcosm of our own lives that we eventually just return to the zeitgeist out of pressing, immediate familiarity. Even the vast majority of witnesses and abductees, those you would assume are most affected, eventually return to their lives and spend most of their time doing typical things. The gap between our baseline and this existential mystery is overwhelmingly intangible for 99% of humanity. Whatever is behind all this has an incredibly unfair advantage that simply cannot be countered by a smoking gun.

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u/MrNostalgiac 6d ago

It's not necessarily that the truth is impossible to handle, but rather most people have nothing to "do" with it.

If your wife gets hit by a bus and dies - it hits you hard, but likely you eventually go back to life as usual because what else is there to do but move on? Similarly, if you hear that someone's wife got hit by a bus, you might say "damn" then go back to life. There's nothing to do about it.

Now, sticking with the same tragic example - the fact that we can prove it happened means something. While the husband might be crushed and the public sympathetic - there is still a large body of scientists and engineers who acknowledge that bus accidents are real and work in their industries to improve bus safety, road safety, awareness, traffic patterns, etc. Something is being done about it - just not by the general public and not even by the person most affected.

With UFOs it's EXACTLY the same. If we get a smoking gun - a UFO lands in Time Square and an alien gets out and tosses the keys to the crowd like the smelly car valet episode of Seinfeld - and walks off. Well the general public can be as shocked or indifferent as they like - they are going back to work on Monday. But what we gained is the proof that this stuff exists. It will cause a cascade of research and development behind the scenes. It will mean witnesses will get believed. Experiencers will get professional help without stigma. Just about every profession that CAN touch the subject WILL touch the subject. The paradigm shift will be enormous.

But it starts with the smoking gun.

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u/roastedcoyote 6d ago

Oh like climate change.

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u/Rude_Worldliness_423 6d ago

Thinking that it would be ‘exactly the same’ is an assumption

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u/MrNostalgiac 6d ago

Until there's proof, everything is an assumption.

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u/Thund3rMuffn 6d ago

I get your point, and don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right. But the problem with your analogy is that the positive response you describe (various fields working to improve bus safety) is well within our current zeitgeist. The gap is not overwhelmingly intangible. It is completely possible the alien / UFO topic is.

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u/UNATCOHQ 6d ago

Paradigm shift starts with the smoking gun - Yeah, that's a good way to summarize it. Though I wonder if it's being "hidden" by spooks out of fear of Pandora's Box opening (ie. no way to defend against it, or can't trust humans with it) or simple greed. Or maybe both.

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u/Historical-Camera972 5d ago

It's a dark empty void. Being a person that knows the Universe has things in it that humanity either doesn't believe in, or can't understand.

You really can't talk with just anybody about that stuff. Most people don't actually care to hear about it anyway. Even if you have an ear to listen, do you pull them in the void with you? To be another with knowledge beyond this world? Or is the kinder thing, to continue living like any other human, and forget about it entirely?

Most people who write about their experiences, neglect to mention the harsh reality they exist in. This dark void, the sea of human social systems that practically ignore the topic.

Tiktok doesn't care. Instagram doesn't care. Facebook doesn't care. X doesn't care. reddit mostly doesn't care, just a few dedicated subreddits...

It's awful to be a person that knows. No firsthand individual feels like they were "blessed", it's just an extra burden in an already troublesome world.

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u/RadOwl 5d ago

Or a preponderance of evidence. Use the standards of law rather than science and imo it's case closed.

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u/Vandelay23 5d ago

And this is why the generally public isn't more interested in the phenomenon. It's kind of a dead end. There's no way to prove any of this one way or the other. Most people would hear the story, and think it's interesting, but without solid evidence, it's just a story, as believable as he admittedly seems.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

I always ask what a smoking gun would be and how would they smuggle it out? These facilities aren’t stores where you can shoplift and get away with it, lol.

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u/Graz_570 6d ago

Agreed, but what does a smoking gun look like at this point? I’m so jaded with the whole process. If a picture or video is too perfect it’s AI. If it’s blurry, grainy or out of focus it’s a plane, bird or star. I totally agree with everything you said but would we know what a smoking gun looks like at this point? I’m afraid not, even if they put the barrel in our collective mouths.

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u/bay400 6d ago

for me personally, this would do it:

  • HD video (e.g. modern smartphone with good lighting)
  • Recorded by multiple unrelated people
  • The raw unmodified video files themselves (i.e. not uploaded and downloaded from social media over and over, adding tons of compression)
  • Instant acceleration and instant direction changes clearly visible

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u/devraj7 5d ago

None of this is good evidence.

Repeating what I wrote earlier:

Dead alien bodies or alien tech would be a start.

Then that evidence gets shared with the international scientific community which confirms it's real.

It's that easy.

But after decades, we still have nothing remotely close to that. Just "somebody saw a thing".

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u/MrNostalgiac 6d ago

There's actually a number of ways we could get it. But the bar is unfortunately high.

  • Physical evidence that can be proven to be non-human being a reasonable doubt. A ship would do but I guess anything sufficiently impossible to recreate will do.

  • Government disclosure. I'll wait for you to stop laughing. Doesn't need to be USA though, so possible, but unlikely.

  • Scientific disclosure. Far more likely. If UAP can be detected, we don't necessarily need the military or government.

  • A mass sighting. There have been mass sightings before but it really needs to be unambiguous and heavily captured by the public.

I don't think personally collected, isolated photo or video will do at this point.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

-Physical evidence is near impossible to obtain, tightly locked down and secured

-I agree and if we’re talking government disclosure, likely China. But I think what stops them both is socioeconomic implications.

-A good one, until you realize some of the best scientific instruments still have the military’s hand in it, an example is right in front of us today. NASA has claimed FOIA exemption for data being collected by the JWST. Truly a baffling move.

-Mass sightings rely on chance and so, it’s the best form of disclosure but who knows when the next one will be?

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u/indo-anabolic 6d ago

What's your source on the JWST FOIA exemption? I cant find anything on a blanket exception, just a 12 month EAP. Wouldn't put it past them, though, maybe that's where the Constellation does its work.

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u/sleezy_McCheezy 5d ago

The president and Secretary of the Air Force doing a press conference at Wright-Patterson AFB in front of Hangar 18 and letting the entire world see bodies and craft. Or they show up undeniably like the movie Signs or Independence Day. Literally the only things that would make me 100 percent believe.

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u/devraj7 5d ago

Agreed, but what does a smoking gun look like at this point?

Dead alien bodies or alien tech would be a start.

Then that evidence gets shared with the international scientific community which confirms it's real.

It's that easy.

But after decades, we still have nothing remotely close to that. Just "somebody saw a thing".

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u/-Glittering-Soul- 6d ago

No his testimony will be ignored because it is not falsifiable evidence.

This is not true. Evidence is falsifiable whenever other witnesses are available who could testify to the contrary.

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u/PCmndr 5d ago

Then it becomes "he said, she said." Still nothing tangible.

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u/-Glittering-Soul- 5d ago

It becomes falsifiable.

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u/jarlrmai2 5d ago

How about the lack of testimony from the thousands of people that live near Cheyenne Mountain?

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u/la_goanna 5d ago edited 5d ago

Can't provide fool-proof data & evidence when said NHI intelligence routinely confiscates such evidence & control groups. The scientific method isn't enough, people need to understand that we have to tackle this subject from an investigative, intelligence-gathering perspective as well.

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u/PCmndr 5d ago

I somewhat agree but at the same time if it's claimed we have high quality video from credible sources, craft, and bodies that's a pretty good starting point.

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u/la_goanna 4d ago

Unfortunately, craft and bodies are a pipe-dream scenario at this point. The USG will never reveal them.

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u/Why_Did_Bodie_Die 6d ago

People around here don't understand what that is.

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u/DoughnutRemote871 6d ago

If you do, please enlighten the rest of us.

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u/f1del1us 6d ago

I think ignored is a strong word, but it's more like it provides no usable weight.

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u/r-s-w- 5d ago

I can’t offer any useful to the debate, but upvote for the user name of course.

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u/PenisPumpAccident 5d ago

Thank you, it's in honor of my grandma.

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u/devraj7 5d ago

What does "credible" mean here?

That he is not lying? Sure, he thinks he saw something.

How do we determine whether what he saw is real and not a hallucination?

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u/jarlrmai2 5d ago

Or just a simple mis-id

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u/TheYell0wDart 6d ago edited 5d ago

You are not a lie detector, lie detectors don't exist. You believe he is not lying. Don't state it as a fact.

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u/The_Sum 5d ago

You might want to re-read their comment, it’s only two sentences. The wording was ‘there is no instinct in me,’ which makes it a personal impression, not an objective claim. Nobody called themselves a lie detector, and nobody stated it as fact.

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u/TheYell0wDart 5d ago

There's three sentences and one of them is the sentence "He is not lying." Which is how facts are stated.

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u/_antsatapicnic 5d ago

I mean, it’s a fact that they feel that way. So there!

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u/Ryukyo 5d ago

The only question though, is it ours or truly NHI? The fact that it was seen at Cheyenne Mountain Space Force Base and got virtually no response from the higher ups should tell you a lot. Either it's not new and they know about it or it's just ours. They'd have to know it was there.

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u/AltTooWell13 6d ago

Talking about instincts detecting deception doesn’t add anything to the conversation. Respectfully

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u/Upstairs_Being290 6d ago

You should sell your skills, someone who could detect lying reliably from video would make a fortune in a lot of fields.

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u/RadOwl 5d ago

David Hawkins seems to think he found a way of doing it.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

Based on what? People said the same thing about Herrera when he first appeared on the scene, Now he's selling UFO coffee...

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u/ZolotoGold 6d ago

I don't automatically discredit someone because they choose to make money of it. It's an unfortunate fact of life that people need to capitalise on anything in order to make a living. It's the society we live in that teaches people to do this.

There's nothing inherently that means someone who makes money off something, that something is automatically false or a lie.

Of course we need to always be watchful of people trying to con others just in order to make money, but we also shouldn't write off people entirely who use their experiences to make money where they can.

Its a fine line to walk and we must look for nuance and take everyone on a case by case basis.

There's definately grlfters out there, but not everyone who makes money is one.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

Not everyone lies for money. People can lie for all kinds of reasons other than money, such as minor fame, to be part of a group, attention, personality disorders, mental health issues, trying to make themselves feel special etc.

Making money from it is really just a bonus for some people. Plus for the people that do want to make money it's also an easy retirement plan. You get to write books, do podcast and interviews, tour the UFO circuit telling your story etc. If you enjoy doing that kind of thing it's easy money and you get to be a minor celebrity in the UFO niche.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

Exactly, on the opposite end of the spectrum, Mick West has also written a book and sells it despite ever needing financial compensation due to his success on Tony Hawk. He also doesn’t need to make a living because he’s paid for his software, but let’s be real, whatever he’s being paid isn’t exclusively for the software, he can use it to substantiate himself.

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u/craigbg21 6d ago

Your exactly right most anyone if they got a incredible video or photo that couldn't be debunked easily and get the chance to profit off it more then likely would in todays society, its unfortunate but people still have to survive in todays ridiculously expensive world but in doing so still doesn't mean their story is fake but it give skeptics and the powers who be just another thing to use against them when trying to discredit them in the publics eye.

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u/Loud-Thanks9393 6d ago

I think it's fair to mention. Most of these people that come out with these truths are shunned and shamed from their jobs and are basically forced to quit or resign. So who can blame for capitalizing on these experiences to make money

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u/Upstairs_Being290 6d ago

"Most of these people that come out with these truths are shunned and shamed from their jobs and are basically forced to quit or resign."

Citation?

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u/sleezy_McCheezy 5d ago

Bob Lazar literally has government contracts.

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u/Cutthechitchata-hole 6d ago

So you're saying its the long con, right? I think they are literally just taking advantage of their new found celebrity in making mire of a life for themselves

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

Who knows why people say and do things, without evidence it's all just stories hearsay and claims, just like the rest.

We don't know if he's lying or just mistaken and believes what he is saying and without hard evidence we will never know.

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u/Interesting_Bad_8163 6d ago

Yeah but isn’t it to raise money for supporting whistleblowers?

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

That's the story. Whilst real whistleblowers fear for their lives and often need to leave their home country, UFO whistleblowers are whining about travel expenses and legal fees and need to sell coffee just to get by... I really feel sorry for them being so hard done by.

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u/Ser_Alliser_Thorne 6d ago

You are being disingenuous. Possibly deliberate at that given youe choice of username. Grush testified he felt fear for his safety. Wether real or imagined is debatable.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

How do you know what he felt? He didn't even have any first hand information. Every so called credible military or government related person that comes out with a UFO story or claim always want you to believe they are being threatened because it's a an easy psychological trick to make you feel like they are telling the truth.

If there really was a shadowy cabal hiding all smoking gun UFO evidence all over the world for 80+ years, a "whistleblower" would be known about and dead before they even got to the stage of saying anything.

People want this hidden group to be both all knowing and all seeing but completely incompetent when it fits the narrative.

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u/Ser_Alliser_Thorne 5d ago

David Grush stated in July of 2023 he felt threatened. This was stated in front of the House Oversight Committee. Again he stated others have been threatened or harmed to the Committee. Whether credible or not can't be proven or the general public can't/hasn't been informed.

I have not claimed anything about a shadow cabal. Ypu are quick to jump to that conclusion on your own. I merely gave you an account where a whistleblower has felt he was threatened if even we can't prove the threat credible.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 5d ago

So who's threatening him if it's not some unseen unknown entities?

Did we see the police reports he made for this threat?

Just believing what people say with zero evidence provided just because it reinforces a belief you have is why there's so much BS in this topic.

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u/mercvt 6d ago

Your last line is perfectly summed up by the previous poster's comment:

You are being disingenuous. Possibly deliberate at that given youe choice of username.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

An ad hominem is not a counter argument, try harder.

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u/mercvt 6d ago

I was agreeing with you. They think you are spreading disinfo on behalf of some big conspiracy but you would be too stupid to not use your username.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

But maybe it's a double bluff.

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u/shadowofashadow 6d ago

So you think he came up with this story a decade ago so he could eventually sell some coffee? Why not sooner?

I think it's more likely that he's just capitalizing on the fact that he has some recognition now.

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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 6d ago

Exactly, of course people don't plan things like that but once you are accepted as being special or have a story then you can try and capitalise on it.

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u/OneDmg 6d ago

Are you known for your instincts?

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u/bobosuda 6d ago

Must be, guys on an online UFO conspiracy theory forum. Famous for their keen sense of instincts and never getting conned and scammed ever.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

Just like the debunkers who feel the need to be right all the time but can’t provide proof 10% of the time, hah. Oh and they circlejerk one another as if to pat themselves on the back for an excellent point. Right…

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u/bobosuda 6d ago

You don't need proof to debunk something when there's no proof "bunking" it in the first place. Can't prove a negative and all that.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

Except, there are anomalous cases as stated by the Pentagon itself, assuming it’s mundane when the current leader of the AARO has stated that they need more information because the phenomena is perplexing in nature is equally ignorant.

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u/bobosuda 6d ago

That agency is not dedicated to the stuff discussed on this sub lol

They say very explicitly that there is no evidence of any extraterrestrial origins... They don't have any sightings that are "we don't know what the hell this even is or how it works". It's all just "we know what this is, we just don't know who it belongs to".

They're dedicated to the boring, real, UFOs. As in, regular stuff that flies in the air that they can't definitively trace to an owner.

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u/startedposting 6d ago

What? lol, which agency and what part? Can you link a source saying they know what it is? There are things flying around in our airspace with impunity.

FYI, UAP stands for unidentified (they don’t know what it is) anomalous (exhibits strange characteristics, that defy explanation) and phenomena (occurring multiple times). At the minimum it’s a combination of what I explained using UAP, which is a very real threat.

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u/bobosuda 6d ago edited 6d ago

Well, technically it isn't even an agency, it's just an office. The AARO dude. You brought them up...

You don't need to split hairs here. Point is you won't find any government officials talking about aliens, because that stuff is crackpot theory shit.

Like, the biggest thing they ever did was publish this report, which is pretty conclusive for an office supposedly dedicated to that crap lmao

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u/startedposting 6d ago

That agency is not dedicated…

You called it an agency earlier, wtaf, lmao. Now you’re backtracking to attempt to correct me?

Nobody mentioned aliens, but I do want transparency and more information regarding UAP.

Conclusive when half the links lead nowhere and has made up sources? Yeah, solid work…

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u/devraj7 5d ago

Sure. He definitely thinks he experienced something, he's not lying.

Now how do we determine whether what he saw is real and not a hallucination?

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u/StormPoppa 6d ago

He provided literally zero evidence other than anecdotal testimony. Like come on bro you people can't be this gullible. Even if he is telling the truth you are way too trusting in some random persons words.

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u/LongPutBull 6d ago

If you can't trust another human, you can't operate society.

You may not be exposed to this info about the world, but it was not built in a trustless system. Random people had to trust one another with literally no evidence of guaranteed performance, yet things still got built.

You're right to be cautious, you're wrong to not ever trust a random person's word.

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u/laddie78 6d ago

lol society doesnt operate on "trust me bro"

It operates on laws and rules, and facts

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u/la_goanna 5d ago

It doesn't even operate on that; it operates almost entirely on power, fear, influence and control.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

Ok, say I trust him, what next?

He saw something exotic, without any diagnostic reports of any kind, how can you even be sure it was really there?

What are the next steps?

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u/LongPutBull 6d ago

To dedicate resources towards tracking and recording and SHARING these events, to learn and grow from it.

The next step is to stop holding onto dogma and explore the things not already explained in your local culture. Step outside the cave. That's what's next.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

I am not opposed to anything that yields data, that which can be analyzed and dissected by the community. What data has Ryan's organization collected and released to the general public?

Only when you open source information are you going to make actual progress.

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u/LongPutBull 6d ago

I can agree there, which is why I emphasized sharing lol. Data means nothing if it's not shared.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Hahah! Because you're a human lie detector, right? You should be hired by the government to just watch 1 video of someone and you can tell if they're lying.

Hilarious. I knew I could get a laugh from this comment section.

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u/Wangatang14 6d ago

I think it’s fair to say that your instinct is telling you that he’s not lying, but to confidently state “he is not lying” purely based on your instincts is a bit of a stretch. I’m not saying he is lying, he may have very well seen something, or at the very least believe he saw something, but there’s no way to be sure without further context and investigation. I don’t distrust all people, but oftentimes they have ulterior motives behind their claims, especially pertaining to this. phenomenon in particular.

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u/CumStayneBlayne 6d ago

You guys are really good at being able to tell who's full of shit, too.

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u/0-0SleeperKoo 6d ago

I agree, his voice and tone is truthful.

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago edited 6d ago

I agree. Im also going to go out on a limb and say to me there’s a 1% chance that this craft was made by human beings.

There is nothing but lies and deception within these black tech programs and there’s just no way IF it was “ours” (which it’s likely not) that they would just float it out there in the open like that.

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u/Blue-and-Left 6d ago

More than 1%. The reason they ignore

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

This isnt the first and only documented account. And I wouldn’t know im not religious. Dont let fear keep your mind closed

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

Yeah man about 20 years of researching this..

This isn’t the first video i’ve seen on the topic. Hahah.. Pretty pointless bantering back and forth with you about this.. some people believe human beings are the center of everything, meh 🤷🏻‍♂️ believe what you want dude

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

Hahaha love the vaccine throw in. Okay smart guy you win, given the vastness of the universe human beings are for sure at the center of intelligence.. anything unexplainable MUST be human made. HAS to be.

Hahaha! Cheers

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u/583947281 6d ago

You're right, part of intelligence is creating decoys. It's so bad, and gone on so long now it's impossible to tell what's what.

I don't feel the army or air force would know shit, they would see shit. But, that would all flow upwards. To many eyes and regulations, I'd say ex army, ex business and ex research would be dealing with it.

MJ12 real or not, I say is based in truth and there is a group like that gate keeping

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u/Rambus_Jarbus 6d ago

They absolutely could “float it out there in the open like that.” Because no one would believe you, and any reporting would be shut down.

Just like what happened here.

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u/SecretTraining4082 6d ago

If that were true then we’d have thousands of undeniable videos. We don’t, even though almost every person in the world has a smartphone in their pocket.

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u/SecretTraining4082 6d ago

 You're so close to truly understanding why you don't have any undeniable videos.

We don’t have any because there aren’t any to begin with. 

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u/startedposting 6d ago

Because they get spammed with comments like “bird, balloon, CGI” and one explanation sticks because it’s most likely? Every video has an excuse, that way there’s no undeniable videos!

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u/Rambus_Jarbus 6d ago

It absolutely does not mean that.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

That's a possibility that needs to be seriously entertained before considering anything else. It doesn't need to be a craft, just needs to be a complex holographic projection of some kind. It's not 1% more like 90% at least.

Unfortunately, without radar and other readings, it is hard to verify the reality of what they saw.

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

Atleast?* 90% chance what he saw was made by humans?

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

Yes, 90%.

Because you are making an assumption that what he saw a real craft. It could very well be a hologram of some kind.

In which case what he saw could be explained and how it moves can also be explained.

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

90% chance to me that its not a random hologram 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

Who said anything about it being a random hologram? Could be a black ops project being tested. Which is more likely? 1) We have developed advanced holographic technology? 2) We have developed advanced flight technology that's like several hundreds of years more advanced? 3) This is being operated by some unknown entity from somewhere else?

Unless you rule out 1) It will be far more likely than anything else.

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

Yeah i suppose you’re right if you’ve never considered the existence of NHI.. the universe doesn’t revolve around human beings, respectfully, step outside of your ego and consider other possibilities .. the universe is a pretty big place..

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-4141 6d ago

I have considered the existence of NHI. It is an unknown at the moment, I would rather we rule out simpler explanations before jumping to more complex ones.

The universe is an unknown quantity and I don't want to make any assumptions about what could or couldn't exist since I have no actual means to verify anything.

I think you are hoping against hope that it is NHI, whereas I am saying you need to rule out simpler possibilities first.

You are the one with the massive ego here, if I had to put my money on it you are one of those religious folks.

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u/Current-Routine-2628 6d ago

So when scientists discuss the size of the universe do you believe them or is it a lie?

And since you’re a percentage guy, IF they are even sort of right about the size of the universe what would be the likelihood that human beings are the only intelligent life? (if you want to call humans that) what would be your percentage based on scientific evidence of the universe’s size?

Lets really push the limits here and just for a second imagine that even one of these (possible beings) could be even smarter than humans and travel to earth using advanced tech?

Why’s everything all about humans?

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