r/UFOs • u/87LucasOliveira • 5d ago
Disclosure "The size of a football field, silently floating over the launchpad, red in color, glowing.” - USAF veteran Jeff Nuccetelli was just announced as a witness at the upcoming UFO hearing. Here he describes a giant red UFO witnessed by Boeing contractors at Vandenberg AFB in 2003.
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u/Beneficial-Disk4475 5d ago
No firsthand witness. He lost the firsthand accounts and he isn’t a first hand witness himself. According to this clip anywho.
I hope he says more than this at the hearing but I’ll stay cautiously optimistic.
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u/Difficult-Flan-8752 5d ago
Very disappointing if this is the type of witness that will be at the hearing.
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u/Wild_Button7273 5d ago
Great story. Now what can I do with that information? People who are less familiar with the topic will likely be watching him testify at the next hearing and have similar thoughts. So, what is the purpose of having witnesses such as this individual testify at the next hearing? We need individuals to come forward with actionable intelligence, i.e., they worked on a craft, or know where one is stored, etc.
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u/BadPWG 4d ago edited 4d ago
The fact that there even are hearings is still progress
The more that this is normalised and talked about without the cowardly sniggering and shaming the better
A few years ago this would be unthinkable
So who cares about convincing you!
This is not about you
This is about bringing it into the mainstream
Normal people even daring to discuss it around the dinner table with their families without the fear of ridicule is progress whether they believe it or not.
That’s all that matters right now
If you want more concrete evidence then go find it yourself, at least there are people out there who willing to do this
The lest we can do is stop acting so entitled
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u/WillingnessLogical71 4d ago
Good points. We can't expect smoking gun evidence. The general Stratocaster to be a greater acceptance that"something" extraordinary " is happening and there is a shift towards exploring that. For the majority of us this is ok, of course we'd love more and now type truths but it's a huge stretch to expect the general populace to think alien races are frequently visiting us and the government have fully operational space ships in underground bases. Let's continue to be curious about the things we don't understand and keep the dialogue open
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u/R2robot 5d ago
I'd be embarrassed to call this guy in as a witness. Secondhand witness.. oh, but he has had 'sworn written statements', but he lost those, of course. As if they were of any value for this topic anyway, but classic story. But he does have some other 'indirect witness statements'.
So a secondhand witness with some statements from other secondhand witnesses. Nobody in this discussion actually saw anything. lol
This isn't the way.
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u/Linkyjinx 3d ago
Were all the first hand witnesses sucked up through this square in 2023 ?! I mean it wasn’t that long ago, or are they all dead already?
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u/Windman772 5d ago
This is complete crap! Not only is he not an insider from a UAP USAP, but he's not even a first hand casual witness! Just cancel the hearing. This is doing more damage to the movement than helping. I don't want to hear from Burlison, Luna and Burchett until they can come up with an actual first hand program USAP witness. They've had enough casual witness hearings to "introduce the public." I'm about as big of a UAP kool-aide drinker as there is. If I'm not onboard, you know there are problems!
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u/KnoxVegasPadnatic 3d ago
Yes, I agree. Secondhand information like this, from an individual who lost the affidavits, actually hurts this topic. The people who need to be convinced of the reality of this phenomenon will most likely barely shrug their shoulders at such “breaking news”.
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u/Ziltoids_Side_Hustle 1d ago
When you examine the past actions of the above mentioned Reps, related to other topics, I cannot trust ANYTHING that includes their involvement.
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u/HoldMeBackBro_ 5d ago
So not only was he not there himself, but he is talking about documents which he lost over a decade ago and just what he can loosely remember about them. Non story.
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u/fulminic 5d ago
Seriously, what's the point talking about some sighting from 22 years ago. Are we suddenly going to find new data now? New evidence?
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u/TinyDeskPyramid 3d ago
Well for one, the level of active secrecy and contamination of other interests is way lower when the event is decades older
It’s what makes not releasing files form over 50 years ago ridiculous when talking about revealing ‘sources and methods’
If the gov cared about us knowing this info (like even just the tip of the iceberg) they would at least give us the stuff like 70’s back.
As long as they won’t give historical data, you don’t have to worry about them confessing to real time operations
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u/RAGEK4G3 5d ago
This the kinsof comment that gets you a timeout on this subreddit... ask me how i know... lol
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u/prettytoeslikeahoe 5d ago
🤣 I mean I'm open to a lot, I don't listen to tinfoil hat stuff. I like experts and data and Merged is a great podcast. But I'm just sick of hearing the same crap every month. We need a major break or nothing.
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u/rustyshotgun 5d ago
So, no first hand witnesses to the crash retrieval / reverse engineering programs? Gotcha.
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u/TimelineFatigue 5d ago
The UAP dog and pony show continues.
Sure, they could have a psionic asset summon a craft on film and share that with the public, but unfortunately 10TB of data have to be reviewed first.
Instead, let’s get some camp fire accounts and a hear from a journalist who has repeatedly said the US will not give up “the goodies” to testify.
Remember when these idiots said they’d go and do site visits and pry the truth out?
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u/Wild_Button7273 5d ago
The '10TB of data' claim is a farce, in my opinion. If the Skywatcher team had witnessed anything that truly pointed to NHI during their Skywatcher excursions, it almost certainly would have been shared publicly by now. The fact that nothing concrete has surfaced from their 'research' tells me that they are hiding something, or at the very least, being dishonest about their mission.
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u/TimelineFatigue 5d ago
I would agree, though I lean toward the latter explanation based on how one of the founders abruptly left. IIRC he’s now contracting with a government affiliated entity.
In any event, the processing of the data as an argument by Skwatcher is weak at best. As you’ve said, if they truly had captured clear anomalies that were summoned, this wouldn’t require fictitious scientific rigor upfront.
Speculatively, I would say they signed funding agreements that barred the sharing of this information until a contractual process plays out, and that was always the intent from the funding source(s).
After the last public hearing, I lost any faith these would lead to actual information or changes.
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u/Wild_Button7273 5d ago
Dude, that is a spectacular theory! So essentially, their reasoning for not releasing the data yet is that they may have signed contracts saying they must wait to release data. Solid theory.
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u/TimelineFatigue 5d ago
It’s just based on the “ick factor” of how money easily corrupts people, even if they start with good intentions.
I think of how this field accepts Garry Nolan, who is independently wealthy from his research and patents, yet is constantly pandering for funds to study UAP whenever interviewed. These people, in my opinion, are early mainstream adopters with hopes that it will further enrich them or provide funding (like Avi Loeb). They don’t really want transparency. And almost all bring up preserving national security as a basis to keep the masses in the dark.
I don’t think they come in with bad intent, it’s just a natural byproduct of how the business world operates. They want to feed from the hand, not bite it. NDAs are often signed separately, before initial discussions regarding funds ever take place.
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u/Wild_Button7273 5d ago
I find Garry Nolan very vague and uninteresting when he discusses this topic. However, that is just my opinion.
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u/TimelineFatigue 5d ago
He lends credibility to the topic just by being an educated professional who has interests in it, but I feel similarly to you.
He seems to be always hedging his bets on who will be relevant in the future. For example, his rift with the story Diana Pasulka told about finding anomalous parts in the desert with him. If anything, these personalities feel like controlled disclosure agents (be they unwitting or aware), as they pop in and out as though they’re punching a timecard.
End of my rants. Thanks for chatting.
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u/bejammin075 2d ago
I have a different theory. I think CE5 does work, which is basically what Skywatcher is doing. CE5 works for individuals or small groups ready for NHI contact. More broadly, the phenomenon wants to remain elusive and not well documentable by using their tech/ability to throttle our access to good data.
It was clear to me from the very first announcement by Skywatcher that they would fail. Once they changed their intent to getting high def video for everybody (which includes people who are not ready for NHI contact) the CE5 that worked before will stop working.
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u/bejammin075 2d ago
I think the Skywatcher people did what they say they did in the past, with the cooperation of the phenomenon. All CE5 requires the voluntary participation of the phenomenon. It seems to be a process designed for individuals or small groups who are ready for NHI contact. There are countless stories in UFology that our technology and our senses can be messed with however the phenomenon wants. The phenomenon actively blocks us from the kind of hard evidence we seek that would convince skeptics. I have a post dated January 30th this year explaining the above and why Skywatcher was never going to work. Once they changed their intent to getting hard evidence for the skeptics, the phenomenon will no longer volunteer the same way. What Skywatcher should have emphasized is that YOU can go get the evidence yourself.
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u/DisinfoAgentNo007 5d ago
The fact that they even need to "review the data" already shows they have nothing substantial.
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u/TimelineFatigue 5d ago
At the very least it’s bad faith, after saying the opposite publicly and promising “proof” several times over.
When I saw the weird interactions with that film director offering his cameras and services to get clear footage, it became clear that their intent wasn’t to simply share evidence with the public. Allegedly, they agreed for him to help and then the guy goes silent. NDAs are comical in this context when Barber himself said the skies are not classified.
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u/PaddyMayonaise 5d ago
I once saw a UFO at Dugway Proving Ground, UT.
If you all share this quick story I just told, you have as much credibility as Jeff Nuccetelli.
Why?
Because he’s a second hand witness.
He didn’t see it himself.
He’s sharing the story of the person that did.
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u/Odd-Mud-4017 4d ago
Technically, we have more credibility. Because, we have your actual statement...
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u/ajwelch14 5d ago
I gotta ask my grandpa about this stuff. He worked for a defense contractor for about 15 years after the military in the 00s. He's mentioned going to Vandenberg a bit to monitor projects...
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u/Running_Gamer 4d ago
Still waiting for literally any hard evidence. How many decades has it been of the same shit? Everyone’s got phones yet we never see this
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u/No_Oil8180 5d ago
It's getting really hard to believe in uaps... every time that it seems something big would come/announce, we end up with second-hand accounts... Thats the 3rd hearing, and we still getting second hand... where is all the info/people that the ufos bigwigs/influencers always talk about?
When Coulthart speak, it seems to have hundreds of ppl dispose to spill the beams to him, and when the hearing comes... we get more and more trust me bros...
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u/kanrad 5d ago
So a rectangle.
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u/LastAd7339 4d ago
he describes it as a square, not a cube, and proceeds to motion a cube with his hands. how can a guy actually be this dumb and bad at describing something
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u/Psychological_Car_77 5d ago
Ok for a quick ten minutes on News Nation. Not ok for a congressional hearing. Same old…
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u/LewEnenra 4d ago
It's all just getting incredibly tiresome. It's been a mentally draining 20 years for me being invested in this subject with nothing but nonsense like this to show for it.
I'm close to a point of ignoring all this for the rest of my life and just believe it if and when we get actual craft land outside our house with beings walking out. Until then, I'm done.
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so i'm guessing like an hexahedron or cuboid, geometrically speaking a square is a 2D object, although we can conceptualize it it's not possible to visualize one in the real world, even if its width is extremely small (think of a sheet of paper), it's still a 3D object (polyhedron) not 2D (polygon)
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u/ThatBullMaj 4d ago
How do you "lose" something like that? He lost me when he said that. Better have a damn good reason
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u/LastAd7339 4d ago
lol how can someone possibly be this bad at using hand motions to describe an object, when both times he pantomimes the object it is completely contradictory to what he is describing and even different to what he did 5 seconds before.
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u/dafelundgren 4d ago
"What had happened at Vandenberg Air Base where there was this thing that appeared over the base. It actually had multiple blotters reporting on it from phone calls into law enforcement from like hundreds of people and whatever had appeared over the base was basically bigger than a football field and basically a cube, a red cube with some weird thing in the center of it. Um, I actually had our witness draw this out. This guy is sober as a priest."
Rep. Luna on Joe Rogan
Sounds like they may have found additional confirmation beyond the contractor statements he lost.
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u/MisterSausagePL 2d ago
The Great Disclosure WWE is baaaaaaack. Let's get ready for... more nothing.
What is the point of this hearing? I mean, where is the solid data? Nothing wrong with testimonials and witnesses, but there is a need for some type of solid evidence. Some idk, readings, photos, something recorded via radars or other measuring tools. This is honestly a big sabotage of the UFO topic.
Unfortunately a big part of the customers ( UFO community) wants a novel. A WWE show, while knowing this is a staged up circus.
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u/DarkestLight777 1d ago
Listen, hear me out for a second. But listening to this man’s description of the craft sounds like we’re unable to see the rest of it because it’s in a different dimension or plane. Watch the video of Carl Sagan explaining the 4the dimension. And he puts into perspective why a two dimensional creature couldn’t see anything in the third dimension because they only know right left not up down. So he shows the bottom of an apple and that would be all it could see, because you can’t see past the 2 dimensional plane. Watch the video and than it will make more sense. 😂
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u/neurox89 5d ago
This is a big deal! From what I’ve heard, his testimony is the best we can expect from this hearing.
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u/87LucasOliveira 5d ago edited 5d ago
"The size of a football field, silently floating over the launchpad, red in color, glowing.”
USAF veteran Jeff Nuccetelli was just announced as a witness at the upcoming UFO hearing. Here he describes a giant red UFO witnessed by Boeing contractors at Vandenberg AFB in 2003.
https://x.com/RedPandaKoala/status/1963262098370392230
Vandenberg “Red Square” Witness Speaks for First Time - with Jeff Nuccetelli | Merged EP0119
Jeff Nuccetelli is a former Air Force security officer who responded to an incident in 2004 of a large ‘Red Square’ being reporting at Vandenberg Air Force Base.
Jeff details the account, the records he preserved of the incident, and how his interactions with AARO did... or did not... reveal any truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDXqiMqV2zU
..
Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection
Subject: Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection
DateSeptember 9, 2025
Time10:00 am
PlaceHVC-210
Witnesses and testimonies:
Jeffrey Nuccetelli
U.S. Air Force Veteran
Chief Alexandro Wiggins
UAP Witness
George Knapp
UAP Journalist
Dylan Borland
UAP Witness
U.S. Air Force Veteran
The witnesses for the UFO Congressional Hearing have been announced
https://x.com/RedPandaKoala/status/1963250658703999422
https://x.com/RepEricBurlison/status/1963261719653871932/photo/2
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u/Historical-Camera972 5d ago
Just a big square showing up over a launch area, and it's red.
How I interpret this: A message. "We, are leaving, there's someone else out there we have to go see."
It's my own head logic. You can consider it wrong if it makes you feel better.
Over the years, I have thought much, about how different civilizations communicate, when they encounter one another. If you use highest yield of information, for lowest axioms of input, but you need common communication strata, then you go through hard logic, math and science. Humans often state this, they rarely state how.
Red - Doppler Shift - Indicating moving away
4 cornered shape
In constructive communication, we are talking about relationships with ourselves, our audience, and others.
A dot point doesn't generate into much, categorically it would just be a signal of self, or no signal at all. A line indicates you, another dot point. 3 corners breaks down to third person, or to an observer/audience member, this would be "me" the third party, if I was communicating to you in this manner.
So for an outside party, not one of the original two in the conversation, you would need a 4th. Thus a square.
Review of the square as communication concept:
1 - Dot (Negligible information, just a self indicator)
2 - Line (Refers to the observer, not the generator)
3 - Triangle/Angle (Refers to the generator)
4 - Quadrilateral/Square/Rectangle (Refers to another party, not the observer, not the generator)
Over a launch area, this provides context of the message.
"We are using our own 'equivalent technology' to go see someone else."
It's a lot of information, unpacked from the idea of using hard logic, science and math, to communicate, with intelligence that utilizes either unknown language or has low yield benefits for direct communication.
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u/Stormrage117 5d ago
Something I wonder about is if the sort of "lightform" shapes that get witnessed are somehow merely an indirect effect of some interactivity in a dimension we can't perceive. Like I can cast a shadow on or shine a light at a paper and the 2D critter would think that what it's seeing is me when what it is seeing is really just an effect of my existence elsewhere.
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u/Historical-Camera972 5d ago
Oh sure it could be anything.
My idea is built on some logical backing, and I open up with the fact that it's my own idea, so likely incorrect.
However, I get quite peeved at the people who suggest math and science for communication, and then don't expound on it.
Could it be random and not directed communication, certainly. I don't believe that anything we observe is random though. Why should something random happen here, where there are intelligent observers available? Explicitly Vandenberg though.
So I throw the idea of coincidence out the window immediately.
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u/StatementBot 5d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/87LucasOliveira:
"The size of a football field, silently floating over the launchpad, red in color, glowing.”
USAF veteran Jeff Nuccetelli was just announced as a witness at the upcoming UFO hearing. Here he describes a giant red UFO witnessed by Boeing contractors at Vandenberg AFB in 2003.
https://x.com/RedPandaKoala/status/1963262098370392230
Vandenberg “Red Square” Witness Speaks for First Time - with Jeff Nuccetelli | Merged EP0119
Jeff Nuccetelli is a former Air Force security officer who responded to an incident in 2004 of a large ‘Red Square’ being reporting at Vandenberg Air Force Base.
Jeff details the account, the records he preserved of the incident, and how his interactions with AARO did... or did not... reveal any truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDXqiMqV2zU
..
Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection
Subject: Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection
DateSeptember 9, 2025
Time10:00 am
PlaceHVC-210
Witnesses and testimonies:
Jeffrey Nuccetelli
U.S. Air Force Veteran
Chief Alexandro Wiggins
UAP Witness
George Knapp
UAP Journalist
Dylan Borland
UAP Witness
U.S. Air Force Veteran
https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/restoring-public-trust-through-uap-transparency-and-whistleblower-protection/
The witnesses for the UFO Congressional Hearing have been announced
https://x.com/RedPandaKoala/status/1963250658703999422
https://x.com/RepEricBurlison/status/1963261719653871932/photo/2
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