r/Wildfire • u/ssgtsilerZ • Feb 11 '25

News (General) National Wildland Fire Service — Grassroots Wildland Firefighters

https://www.grassrootswildlandfirefighters.com/nwfs

This is what I woke up to this morning. Thoughts?

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u/0Marshman0 Feb 11 '25

Remove line officers, as in Forest sups and DRs?

“In the interim, we strongly recommend that wildland fire programs are immediately “stove-piped” under the US Forest Service and each DOI agency, removing current line officers from the chain of command and decision-making authority.”

I’m kind of confused by this last statement. Explain it to me like I’m a moron because I may very well be.

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u/Responsible_Book_599 Feb 11 '25

Like LEOs - they're assigned to an area but have their own chain of command and accountability that doesn't involve the District Ranger.

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u/rockshox11 :hamster: Feb 11 '25

Open and read the document, it explains it for each agency

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u/ssgtsilerZ Feb 11 '25

It's too hard to click 3 links

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u/rockshox11 :hamster: Feb 11 '25

chat, what do I think about this?

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u/Opposite_Ad_5514 Feb 11 '25

You like it. You want it. It's a well researched position backed up with straight facts. You want grassroots to have a seat at the table and u want policy makers to read grassroots proposal or listen to someone that has

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u/0Marshman0 Feb 11 '25

I didn’t see the other links. No need to be snarky

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u/BigWhiteDog Feb 11 '25

No other links

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u/ssgtsilerZ Feb 11 '25

I'm seeing:

GWF NWFS Press Release

GWF National Wildland Fire Service Briefing Paper

GWF NWFS Talking Points

See our latest newsletter highlighting NWFS

Questions? Sign up for our Quarterly Stakeholder update on 2/19/25! Standby for a FAQ to be shared shortly

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u/BigWhiteDog Feb 11 '25

I see those but not as links.

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u/ssgtsilerZ Feb 11 '25

You can't tap em?

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u/BigWhiteDog Feb 11 '25

Nope. I know how the internet works lol

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u/ssgtsilerZ Feb 11 '25

that's fuckin wild. there's no hyperlink, it's just text? What browser are you using?

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u/BigWhiteDog Feb 11 '25

Older version of android due to being dirt poor

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u/ssgtsilerZ Feb 11 '25

You don't see any when you scroll down? That sucks, weird.

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u/Opposite_Ad_5514 Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 11 '25

The crazy proposal to not have some jibroni with one year on an engine and a biology degree have the finally say in whether an rx burn goes on or not, the final say in whether or not we supress a wilderness fires, the final say in whether an engine goes off forest. Instead have the 20 years in fire fmo make those descions. Also- not have the fmo or d.r. answer to some sycophantic teleworking buerocrat playing it safe til they retire. 

Edit: got a little worked up and didn't actually explain stove pipe. A shorter chain of command that includes fire folks. So instead of district ranger to forest supervisor to regional supervisor to ??? To randy moore. It would go FMO to Deputy Chief of Fire & Aviation directly to the Chief of the Forest Service.  

That's grwffs interim proposal and all terms are fs based because that's what I know. It's gonna take years 

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u/dave54athotmailcom Mar 26 '25

In the 1990s stovepiping fire was all the rage. Gradually forests move back to District level organizations. It seemed to work better.

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u/BigWhiteDog Feb 11 '25

WTF? Who's actually behind this group?