On the left, the Cabinet Council today under incumbent President Karol Nawrocki. On the right, the Cabinet Council under former President Andrzej Duda.

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

Source: u/pisowiec

[u/General_Routine_69]

Well, it’s only the biggest recipient of EU funds .. EU bad ! :C

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/General_Routine_69]

It's partially true, EU funds are not the whole story. Like every catching-up economy, Poland has deficits in primary income (!), mainly due to profit repatriation and interest payments. Meaning that we bear a permanent cost that is invisible to most of redditors out here. Remember it's never black & white story...

[u/DeArgonaut → u/chargedup_Greg]

Yeah, but that’d be true whether in the eu or not, so imo kinda a separable thing to net eu funding

[u/What_was_my_account → u/General_Routine_69]

Why yes, Poland gets a lot of money being 5th most populated country while being noticably poorer than the other 4 above it. Just EU working as intented, by the rules which were not made by the Poles. 

The right wing is on the rise everywhere, but we have to make sure we bash those dirty thieving easterners for that. After all, they have been only benefiting from the generous handouts from the charitable civlisied countries found west of oder. It's not like those nations benefited from it by importing cheap labour, brain draining the region, investing into an empty big market, buying out local firms for pennies or using cheap labour within the borders of Poland while also getting access to a sizeable comsumer market they could sell to without any blockades.

This whole system is set up to benefit everyone in the union and I'm really tired of people presenting it like Poland has been only taking advantage of some charity. 

Though I don't expect anyone will care about that. Let's continue this petty inter-EU shaming and mockery of each other. Only in that way we can flourish and truly appreciate how amazing this project can be. There is never enough hate after all. /s

[u/DotDootDotDoot → u/What_was_my_account]

Inferiority complex be like:

[u/jixdel]

I cant wait to see how this criminal and his supporters ruin my country and peoples first opinions when they learn where im from...

[u/mtranda → u/jixdel]

Unlike my overall opinion of the hungarians (excl. Budapest), I still like the poles. I think Poland still has a chances to fix its mess, unlike Hungary where the solution is to just kill it with fire or something.  

[u/Rosa4123 → u/mtranda]

So far it seems Orban is on it's way out and poland has it's far right very likely on it's way in

[u/jixdel → u/mtranda]

Well, i am quite pesimistic... so heres to hoping im wrong in my pessimism

[u/Towarzysz_Zadupie → u/mtranda]

Yeah no, the only solution for Poland is for it to purge the entire political scene and start anew. Because the only alternative to that is PiS-PO flip-flopping.

[u/to_glory_we_steer → u/jixdel]

I live here, and honestly, Poland impresses me at every turn. Of course it has it's problems like any country but I'd rather be here than in my home country.

[u/Superkometa]

I can't believe they made me miss fucking Duda of all people. Like how bad do you have to be to make me miss Duda

[u/giYRW18voCJ0dYPfz21V]

They can always send back all the shitload of EU money they get, if they don’t like 🇪🇺

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/giYRW18voCJ0dYPfz21V]

It's partially true, EU funds are not the whole story. Like every catching-up economy, Poland has deficits in primary income (!), mainly due to profit repatriation and interest payments. Meaning that we bear a permanent cost that is invisible to most of redditors out here. Remember it's never black & white story...

[u/giYRW18voCJ0dYPfz21V → u/chargedup_Greg]

And what is the EU role in all of this, apart from being a net contributor to Polish budget?

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/giYRW18voCJ0dYPfz21V]

I don't know if you are familiar with the core-periphery therminology, but let's agree on that EU is not just a constraint it’s also a platform. Structural funds, access market, and the free movement of people /capital gave Poland conditions for rapid growth that it could hardly have achieved alone!
The problem is not that the EU blocks development, but that its institutional design favors consolidation of value in the core states. This creates a structural ceiling for latecomers like Poland, unless they build strong domestic brands and move up the value chain.

You also tend to look at EU funds in a very one-sided way, as if they were given out for free (xD). In reality, German economy benefited probably the most from opening Europe to CEE region, you can read the literature on it. For instance, Wolfgang Münchau’s recent book ‘Kaput: The End of the German Miracle’ makes this point very clearly.
Have a nice day!

[u/DotDootDotDoot → u/chargedup_Greg]

gave Poland conditions for rapid growth that it could hardly have achieved alone

This creates a structural ceiling for latecomers like Poland

So you grow but you can't grow at the same time? Looks like mental gymnastics to me.

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/DotDootDotDoot]

Not everyone is supposed to get it

[u/absurdherowaw]

Poland is so fucked it is hard to comprehend. Economy is doing nice (for now), but the politics are just insane

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/absurdherowaw]

I don't feel like we're fukked. Our economic model is reaching its limits since we can't rely on low labor costs forever, but overall politics in Poland isn’t that bad. Of course, it’s far from perfect, but I know the media tend to overhype it.

[u/absurdherowaw → u/chargedup_Greg]

Brother, the guy on the left is from the right-wing party that, according to all polls, will form the next Polish government with even more far-right party (Konfederacja). 

If you think this mix of right-wing anti-European sentiment with even more extreme, far-right pro-Polexit party is nothing major I have no words really.

[u/Bodiax → u/absurdherowaw]

Do not forget that Poland already had a government coalition of PiS far right lunatics from LPR - and we survived it. We also survived 8 years of PiS with twats from SuwPol. Sure, it sucked and sure, vision of a PiS-Konfederacja coalition with Nawrocki as a president and - in worst case scenario - with Braun in the mix is very grim, but 1st it would be a tough cooperation, 2nd the result of 2027 election is not predestined, a lot can happen still, and 3rd it is possible that Konfederacja will not survive such coalition. Kaczyński can still devour his smaller partner like did with dozens of parties already.

Even in darkness there’s still room for hope.

[u/Four_beastlings → u/Bodiax]

Not everybody survived. The 7 women who've died because they were denied medically necessary abortions sure didn't.

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/absurdherowaw]

I agree that the far-right is a threat to a united Europe, but I think your concerns are a bit overblown. In Poland there’s no real anti-EU or ‘Polexit’ trend, and the core of the main conservative party, PiS, is actually pro-European. Sure, there are exceptions, but overall the tendency is pro-EU. When anti-EU (or I'd rather say 'skeptical') rhetoric pops up, it’s usually more about protesting against Tusk’s party (PO), which they see as too pro-German (mainly for domestic politics, it's doesnt matter).

Instead of being scared by the raise of far-rigiht, I’d suggest thinking about "Why people vote for these kinds of parties". IMO it’s less about rejecting Europe as a project of united countries and more about rejecting the politics of the liberal EU mainstream. It’s possible that after the rise of the right, liberals will adjust some of their policies (we’re already seeing them backing off from the Green Deal), and the right will lose momentum. But of course, there are many other factors in play e.g. Russian propaganda etc.

[u/cathwaitress → u/chargedup_Greg]

Why people vote for these parties: R*ssian propaganda (and because they’re brainrotten enough to believe it).

There is no Polexit trend YET.

The same way 10 years ago no one thought Americans would elect a rapist for president.

And Poland a pathetic wanna be gangster.

[u/absurdherowaw → u/cathwaitress]

It is also false to say Poland is still waiting for it. There is ALREADY Polexit trend. Some members of Konfederacja (15%) and most members of Braun party (4-5%) support openly idea of referendum on the EU membership.

[u/cathwaitress → u/absurdherowaw]

That’s a good point.

[u/Beneficial_Round_444 → u/absurdherowaw]

nah we're doing quite good

[u/blueberriessmoothie]

While it can be concerning, let’s keep in mind that while presidential power is limited in Poland, he is a wannabe Polish maga with all the mental maturity you can see in that movement. Flags is just symbolic way of owning the libs so if you read this energy as “teenager showing middle finger to a car of his school principal” you’re most likely right.
The source account this photo came from is of president supporter trying to boost importance of this move, while actually if you would watch this session, you would find that president is so embarrassingly out of his depth intellectually, that the best reaction you could have is cringe.
He is more suited to be a hotel security guy, who boosts his ego fighting other football hooligans. Unfortunately he chose another career, one he doesn’t have skillset for.

[u/K4rt0f3l]

We're so fucked it's funny

[u/bartman7265 → u/K4rt0f3l]

We have always have been our own worst enemy,

[u/MBkufel]

I already miss Duda a bit.

[u/beggs23k]

They want to become Monaco so bad

[u/Avia_Vik]

Good tactic: take the most money but also shit the most. Disgusting

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/Avia_Vik]

It's partially true, EU funds are not the whole story. Like every catching-up economy, Poland has deficits in primary income (!), mainly due to profit repatriation and interest payments. Meaning that we bear a permanent cost that is invisible to most of redditors out here. Remember it's never black & white story...

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon → u/chargedup_Greg]

Could you please change your comment? You keep copy paste the same over and over.

[u/chargedup_Greg → u/GreenEyeOfADemon]

You’ve shared a picture without context, and the obvious effect is fueling hate against Poland/Poles. I don’t think that’s a objectively right thing to do. So, could you avoid spreading low-quality news / propaganda? Thanks.

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon → u/chargedup_Greg]

LOL! What context do you need?

On the left, the Cabinet Council today under incumbent President Karol Nawrocki. On the right, the Cabinet Council under former President Andrzej Duda.

[u/Avia_Vik → u/chargedup_Greg]

Economic state of all European countries isnt the best right now, doesnt mean we should all start shitting on EU and voting fascist like Poland and act like its the right thing to do to improve economic growth lol

[u/Pigeniusz]

It's NawrOver.

[u/pm_mazur]

I guess Poland is going in reverse back to 1989 except EU won't intervene and restore the country.

[u/stewardass]

Looks like they need to learn the hard way the brits did.

[u/DotDootDotDoot → u/stewardass]

They will probably never do it because these people usually never do what they preach.

[u/Small_Cock_Jonny]

If they hate us, don't take our money. Crying about evil EU while getting billions

[u/chaoslordie → u/Small_Cock_Jonny]

works for Hungary

[u/chargedup_Greg]

It's just part of internal politics, nothing to worry about unless a real far-right party takes over in Poland. Law and Justice is not far-right (part of it might be, but main leader- Kaczyński is not...)