r/YUROP • u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale • 3d ago

Not Safe For Americans So can we remove him from office?

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u/morbihann 3d ago

They should call him the king of France. The French know what to do.

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u/Pale_Prompt4163 3d ago

Call him Führer and let him see it through.

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u/EuleMitKeule_tass Deutschland‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

To much of a coward to see it through to the end.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

England did it first, in 1649😕. If I am not mistaken, some of the regicides and republicans found refuge in America after the Stuart restoration

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u/Devadeen 3d ago

England beheaded a king but didn't behead the monarchy!

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u/GoshDarnMamaHubbard 3d ago

If Cromwell hadn't been such a puritan prick we probably would have remained a republic.

Step one upon seizing power. Don't cancel Christmas and ban music.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

I fear that Cromwell was not visited by the three spirits

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u/ryant71 in 2d ago

He did nonetheless give inspiration to one Monty Python ditty. -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBPf6P332uM

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 2d ago

I knew it! And I love it!

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u/Wuz314159 Pennsilfaanisch-Deitsch 1d ago

But what about mumble rap?

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

Not totally, but it is also true that they were the first to take such a revolutionary step

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u/userrr3 Yuropean first Austrian second ‎ 3d ago

Charles I was absolutely not the first regicide. Not even in England.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

But they were the first to try and execute him, right? I believe it is something profoundly different from a conspiracy hatched in the shadows

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u/userrr3 Yuropean first Austrian second ‎ 3d ago

If you merely open the link and search the page for "executed" you can find lines like this one:

193 Didius Julianus of Rome executed on orders by the senate

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

The point is, I don't think it's the same thing, because the English Puritans executed the institution at that time too. This aspect is linked to the particular nature of this regicide.

Kantorowicz argued that the king was both a natural body and a political body. The origin of this concept can be traced back to the idea of ​​the mystical body of the Church, a term coined by Paul of Tarsus and referring to the Christian community as composed of all the faithful, present, past and future. Theologians distinguished between the corpus verum of Christ, or the host, and the corpus mysticum, or the Church.

Starting from Thomas Aquinas, we began to talk about the corpus Ecclesiae mysticum and the Church became an autonomous entity on a mystical level. Subsequently, the fight for the investiture led some imperial writers to invoke a corpus reipublicae (a term with which the State was generically indicated) as opposed to the corpus ecclesiae.

In the 13th century, the term corpus reipublicae mysticum was used to indicate the mystical body of the state. In this sense, the continuity of the state was guaranteed by the corpus mysticum of the kingdom, which, like the corpus mysticum of the Church, never dies.

However, according to this perspective, the king was only one of the elements of the body politic (although he was considered the most important) and this did not lead directly to the two-body theory of the king as a secular equivalent of the two bodies of Christ.

In fact, the analogy fails if one considers one particular aspect, namely that the head of the mystical body of the Church, Christ, was eternal, while the king was merely an ordinary mortal.

It was easy to distinguish the individual king from the state, but it would not have been possible to say the same of the dynasty, the crown or the royal dignity.

Another aspect that assimilated the royal dignity to that of Christ was the sacredness of kings, symbolized by the anointing with sacred oil (the term Christ derives from the Greek χριστός, in turn a translation of the Hebrew māshīah, and both terms have the meaning of anointed), which could transform the nature of those who received it, making them a person by nature and a person by grace.

We must also remember that - as written by Marc Bloch - the French and English monarchs had the privilege of Chrism, blessed oil mixed with balm which, originally, was reserved only for bishops (the remaining kings of the states of Europe had to be satisfied with the consecrated oil), a rite which had played a role in the belief according to which the alleged thaumaturgical power of the sovereign's miraculous touch could be traced back to it and that it came - ultimately - from God himself.

In his essay Regicide and Revolution, Michael Walzer hypothesizes that the English revolutions (and French, but this already had a precedent) did not only aim at the elimination of the mortal body of the king, but also of his political body, since it would have been possible to proclaim the end of the monarchy only if the king, understood not only as a natural body, but also and above all as a political body, had been killed.

The death of the natural body alone would not have affected the people's trust in the king, which could have been easily transferred from the deceased to the living: the revolution also and above all intended to eliminate the idea of ​​political incarnation, as demonstrated by Cromwell's famous expression We shall cut off his head with a crown on it (and also Cet homme doit régner ou mourir by Saint-Just).

This is why a public regicide is radically different from a plotted regicide. The revolutionaries didn't behead just one man or just one king: they beheaded an entire belief system.

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u/userrr3 Yuropean first Austrian second ‎ 3d ago

Yeah I'm not reading all that. Shout out to you for writing it though (or shame for asking a chat bot to do so, can't tell, ain't reading it). Fact of the matter is the French killed their King and now live in a republic and the English killed a King and still live in a monarchy with one chamber of their parliament consisting of unelected nobles selected by the monarch.

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u/GreatDemonBaphomet 3d ago

They did. It didn't end well so they went back to monarchy.

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u/hetfield_666 Hauts-de-France‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‎ 2d ago

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u/EuleMitKeule_tass Deutschland‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

I mean he looks like Sadam right out of the hole.

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u/MethodicOwl45 Portugal‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

As a European citizen, I politely decline

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u/realmendontfeel 3d ago

As an European citizen, i aggressively decline*

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u/throwawayaccyaboi223 Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

"Not my president." Am I doing this right?

  • a Yuropean

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u/thisislieven l'ewrópælik 3d ago

Just for the fun of it, the European Parliament should impeach him and the Council for the European Union can convict him. And the CJEU can toss him in jail.

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u/thisislieven l'ewrópælik 3d ago

Someone suggested it may have been Rutte who called him that, which... not unlikely.

Rutte is no longer a European leader though.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

Unfortunately now I would expect it from Rutte😕. In a way, I hope it is Rutte who continues with his (very morally questionable) technique to mollify him and not another new European leader who is stooping to lick Trump's boots.

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u/thisislieven l'ewrópælik 3d ago

I find it hard to imagine for any of our leaders to use that explicit language.

There's diplomacy and then there's sycophancy.
The EU leaders seem to focus on the former (if unsuccessful), Rutte is a sad master of the latter.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

Let's hope Rutte didn't have any students🥲

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u/thisislieven l'ewrópælik 3d ago

Sadly, he's actually a teacher in social studies and continued to teach during his tenure as PM. Not sure if he still does this though.

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u/Material-Garbage7074 We must make the revolution on a European scale 3d ago

I didn't know 🥲 now I'm really scared

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u/Adramach Polska‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

I suggest the office removal method favored by Czechs in 1618.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration

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u/saberline152 België/Belgique‏‏‎‏‏‎ ‎ 2d ago

The Dutch method could help feed the poor.

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u/CursedAuroran Nederland‏‏‎ ‎ 1d ago

Fuck no! We do not want to feed the poor poison

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u/Wonderful-Hall-7929 3d ago

Bruharharharharharhar...

Oh, wait, he's serious isn't he?

Well, our French friends have this little invention of Doctor Joseph-Ignace Guillotin...

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u/BriefCollar4 Yuropean‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

Nobody European voted so you have that title, disgusting paedophile.

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u/Krannich 3d ago

I call Misstrauensvotum!

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u/EuleMitKeule_tass Deutschland‎‎‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

Get Mussolinied!

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u/Man_Of_Frost 3d ago

Yo wtf is going on in the US...

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u/VisKaasRocknRoll Flevoland‏‏‎ 3d ago

Who is this guy?

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u/Soepkip43 3d ago

Probably one of his cronies called him that during one of these shows of loyalty they call cabinet meetings. We're they each get a turn to fellate trump.

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u/Jelliol 3d ago

This toddler vocabulary...

Insane.

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u/Omochanoshi Yuropéen‏‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

One can dream.

Reality doesn't give a shit, tho.

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u/MaestroGena Česko‏‏‎ ‎ 2d ago

King of Europe...yeah, king of jesters, you're a laughingstock here you orange cuck

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u/Ashamed-Rooster-4211 2d ago

European here, he can fuck right off

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u/Long_Serpent Åland 2d ago

Sorta like when Idi Amin gave himself the title "Conqueror of the British Empire ".

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u/Ecleptomania Sverige‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

As a European: Got eat shit Donald.

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u/woernsn Österreich‏‏‎ ‎ 3d ago

Who, Donald?

Who on earth calls you that?