Dear Ukrainians

[u/Dragonfruit_1995]

Since ruzzia broke the Budapest Memorandum, I was wondering, will your country consider investing in nuclear weapons now?

PS sending love from Lithuania 🇱🇹🫶🇺🇦

[u/The-Grim-Sleeper]

I am not Ukrainian, but William Spaniel on YouTube did a good video on the subject of new nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/The-Grim-Sleeper]

Interesting... I will look for it. Do you remember the conclusion of the video?

[u/The-Grim-Sleeper → u/Dragonfruit_1995]

Iirc, it was that trying to make nukes from scratch now without foreign assistance would do more harm than good, as Pootin would want to make the most of the limited time he had left to invade a nuke-less country. And that supplying them from Nato was unlikely to happen in the political situation as it was back then.

But I think Spanial might have updated his opinion (but not necessarily the video) now that Russia seems to be on its last legs.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/The-Grim-Sleeper]

Hmmm... I hope that your government will consider to make it it a national secret of Ukraine 😉

[u/3Kayo]

People support the notion, but the government doing so seems unlikely unfortunately.

Will see.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/3Kayo]

Rooting for you 🤞

[u/to_glory_we_steer]

Not Ukrainian but I support a small Ukrainian arsenal to hold Moscow at threat

[u/toobigtobeakitten]

I would love for Ukraine to have nuclear weapons, but unfortunately it doesn’t sound very realistic for the foreseeable future.

[u/dread_deimos → u/toobigtobeakitten]

Technically it's possible. We have the engineering talent. Politically? Our allies will probably be pissed off.

[u/toobigtobeakitten → u/dread_deimos]

Yeah, and that’s the problem. Even if we have the technical capacities to make one, we still need to listen to our allies (whose donations are majority of our budget). With that bad of economy, we definitely wouldn’t want to put an end to the support, or even worse, receive sanctions from Europe/US

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/toobigtobeakitten]

True, we also would love it, you are like our big sister that we look up to :)

[u/Gold_Dog908]

We dont have the resources for it. Beyond that, even attempting that would lead to massive outrage for the US and likely a massive wave of sanctions, if not worse. Thats just not gonna happen.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/Gold_Dog908]

Well.. many countries around the world have it.. I do not see why someone besides ruzzia could rage about it

[u/Gold_Dog908 → u/Dragonfruit_1995]

9 counties having it doesn't mean everyone else gets to have it. Look at Iran.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/Gold_Dog908]

That was my opinion. I wouldn't my if Ukraine had it, there is no longer Budapest Memorandum

[u/Bergwookie]

Financially a nuclear arsenal would be far off, no other country will give money for that and the domestic money is better invested in weapons you can actually use in the war ★, so in war time it's unsustainable, but later on in peace it might be to consider.

★ nuclear weapons are there to show "I could if I had to"but aren't meant to be used, it would be a boundary to cross with no way back.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/Bergwookie]

I mean... you can start inventing on your own... isnt it how other countries, who are poor, did it? They choose a solo trip, isnt it?

[u/Bergwookie → u/Dragonfruit_1995]

Sure, but would you put scarce resources into something that won't pay off soon when you need fast results? You'd put your scientists and engineers onto building cheap and fast to build stuff like drones and flamingos not a weapon that's only of diplomatic value

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/Bergwookie]

Science is never quick. The earlier you put scientists on it, the better. Money will come

[u/SoffortTemp]

Maybe :)

And I really liked Lithuania when I visited there five years ago

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/SoffortTemp]

Thanks, that is very sweet of you to say ☺️

[u/BillKitchen8137]

I have an idea! How about the 500 Million EU members stop whining about the 140 millions Russians and do something about it?

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/BillKitchen8137]

I am donating 🫡 my country tries to support Ukraine in every way we can

[u/BillKitchen8137 → u/Dragonfruit_1995]

The EU has done nothing but send "wishes" and mothballed military hardware.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/BillKitchen8137]

Well... Europe sends ammunition and money too...

[u/Walrus_Morj]

The only reason Ukraine gave nukes away, was that we'd get sanctioned to hell if we didn't. Noone wanted a freshly created country to have nukes, especially in such amounts.

At this point (IMHO) Ukraine demonstrated itself as a reasonable entity, so I'd say in around 10 years it could be possible.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/Walrus_Morj]

Looking forward to it! 🫡

[u/thatguyy100]

Maybe the French can stop being pussies and bring out their inner Napoleon and place 2 nukes in Ukraine for peacekeeping purposes.

[u/Healthy-Toe-9622 → u/thatguyy100]

Then russia does the same to iran, it'd be unrealistic

[u/vikentii_krapka]

It is not as simple as investing. The moment it becomes clear that we are making the bomb, USA, Russia and most probably EU will do everything up to a joint military intervention to stop it.

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/vikentii_krapka]

So dont tell them 🤫🫢

[u/vikentii_krapka → u/Dragonfruit_1995]

You don’t need to tell them, they will know

[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/vikentii_krapka]

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[u/Dragonfruit_1995 → u/[deleted]]

Well... you dont need to announce everything you do, right? :)

Moreover... I think ruzzia is faking the "we have a nuclear power". They are so poor they cant afford to maintain that

[u/GreenEyeOfADemon → u/[deleted]]

They would simply call it a preemptive strike and self-defence.

For that they just need to shell or bomb Zaporizhzhia NPP: a NPP causes more permanent damages than a nuke.