r/YouShouldKnow • u/LtSoundwave • Jul 19 '20

Other YSK That many people with a disability consider their aides (wheelchair, etc.) an extension of themselves. You should ask before touching or moving them.

Read this article and was surprised to hear how many people struggle with this. Even if you are trying to help, you should ask first.

www.bbc.com/news/disability-49584591

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u/efshoemaker Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

You should also know that in US common law anything physically connected to a person (wheelchair, etc.) is considered part of their person for the purpose of battery. So grabbing someone's wheelchair while they're in it would be battery.

Edit: just want to clarify that this is for civil law. Criminal law uses different definitions for assault and battery and it is different from state to state.

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u/Mrkvica16 Jul 19 '20

Wonder how this will relate to the current video on top of reddit where police purposefully damage a disabled person’s wheelchair.

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jul 19 '20

Or the one a few weeks ago with the cops taking an individual’s prosthetic

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u/AnAnonymousFool Jul 19 '20

Or the one where there was a disabled homeless veteran in a wheelchair trying to get onto the sidewalk (which did not have wheelchair access) and because he didn't do it quick enough, the police shot him in the head with a rubber bullet

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u/jack_hughez Jul 19 '20

Jesus fuck, ACAB

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u/morecrows Jul 20 '20

YSK r/youshouldknow comment section kinda woke

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u/thisidntpunny Jul 20 '20

no gods, no idols, no masters

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u/Mrkvica16 Jul 19 '20

Oh god. Just how low will they go?

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u/AnastasiaTheSexy Jul 19 '20

Murder and post mortem slander. Where have you guys been?

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u/Mrkvica16 Jul 19 '20

I know. It still is shocking to me. This is in broad daylight, with witnesses and cameras on them..

How many awful things did they do when people were not there to see it?!

They truly have lost their humanity. And we are paying them!!!

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TORNADOS Jul 19 '20

Outrage is only a small step into the battlefield.

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u/SecondaryWombat Jul 19 '20

I would like to PM the Portland police some Tornadoes

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u/TimeAndSalt Jul 19 '20

Portland police? police don’t go up in unmarked vans and nap people while also in military apparel, these are just thugs, the fact that we call these law enforcement personnel is a disgrace to the law

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TORNADOS Jul 20 '20

I think ME stood for Maine and not Oregon, the curators of horrible police violence.

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u/SecondaryWombat Jul 22 '20

It was a response to a user name.

Portland Police have been fucking horrible long before Trumps goon squad made it worse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

I passed the point of shocked a couple years back. that was the confronting my white privilege part. now it's incandescent fury

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u/AnastasiaTheSexy Jul 19 '20

What are they gonna do? Arrest themselves? Lol

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u/lizzyb187 Jul 20 '20

All they have to do is say they fear for their lives then it's all good. License to take property a license to beat and torture. A license to kidnap kill and post-mortem slander. all they have to do is say they feared for their lives. That's it. Or resisting arrest. All you have to do is say 'why are you arresting me' and they can beat your skull in for resisting.

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u/lesprack Jul 20 '20

When did pigs have humanity to begin with? They’ve always been like this lmao

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u/SpartanHamster9 Jul 20 '20

Trump has secret police disappearing people, and the police have always acted this way, none of this should shock you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Me and most other white people in the last few years: jaws on the floor, unable to process what's going on

Black people dealing with this shit for 400 years: yeah try to keep up

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u/AnastasiaTheSexy Jul 20 '20

Da fuck you talking about? You think police are only fascist against black people? They'll do it to anyone. I can show you dozens of videos of police brutalizing even old white men. And they suffer no consequence. And then slander the old man.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Super cool!

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u/kaenneth Jul 19 '20

post mortem slander.

Legally speaking, in English common law, you can't slander the dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law

In no state can a defamation claim be successfully maintained if the allegedly defamed person is deceased.

https://www.lexisnexis.co.uk/blog/wipit/can-you-defame-the-dead

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Jul 19 '20

We'll let you know when they hit the bottom...

...so far: murder, massive amounts of racism and disregard of human rights, decency and life.

But, I fear that they have shovels - if not excavation equipment.

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u/Cruxion Jul 19 '20

I will be surprised if they don't take the prosthetic, hit themselves with it, then charge it's owner with battery.

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u/BierWiser Jul 19 '20

Depends on if it was their prosthetic legs.

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u/ProfessorHardw00d Jul 19 '20

I wonder if that cop is also a bible salesman

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u/xdmemez Jul 19 '20

That didn’t happen

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jul 19 '20

Is snopes wrong?

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u/blackburn009 Jul 19 '20

"What's False
However, police did not appear to pull the amputee’s legs off when they first tried to arrest him. Rather, footage showed protesters dragging the amputee away from police while appearing to grab his legs."

Snopes doesn't say it happened?

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jul 19 '20

What’s “it”? Taking his prosthetic legs as I indicated? That’s not contradictory to the snopes article—snopes says it’s inconclusive that the cops pulled the legs off.

The point of this post is about touching aids without permission. Yes, it’s inconclusive that they were pulled off by the police, but it’s not inconclusive that the police did touch and move them, both when they were on and off.

Are you really going to argue that the cops are right here in direct contradiction to what OP posted as YSK?

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u/blackburn009 Jul 20 '20

It's inconclusive because some people said it happened but there's no evidence for or against it. Nothing the cops did contradicts the OP's statement, they attempted to arrest the dude for disrupting the peace, there's nothing in the video I can see that makes it look like they treated the man any differently to an able bodied protestor

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u/xdmemez Jul 19 '20

No it’s correct, you didn’t read it

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jul 19 '20

Yes. I did read it. It indicated the officers pulling the legs off was inconclusive. Video posted on reddit, and linked in snopes, shows them picking up the prosthesis.

You conclusively said “that didn’t happen”—in contradiction to snopes.

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u/xdmemez Jul 19 '20

Innocent until proven guilty. Strangely you also conclusively said it happened in your original post.

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u/anaxcepheus32 Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

Yes, they conclusively picked up the prostheses. Is that wrong? Is the video of them picking them up wrong?

The post is not to touch aids.... whether they are attached or not. That is conclusive.

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u/xdmemez Jul 19 '20

Wow the mental gymnastics. Since when does likely = conclusive. There’s no proof to even say “likely” yet you seem to believe it like the truth. Strange

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u/Codkid036 Jul 19 '20

Bold of you to assume American cops have to follow laws

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u/AnnoShi Jul 19 '20

Bold of you to assume they're aware of said laws in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20 edited Sep 12 '20

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u/GammaEmerald Jul 19 '20

I can’t believe I live in a country where people can work in a field they don’t know Jack shit about. It’s LAW enforcement, maybe learn the laws you’re enforcing, sludgefeeders.

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u/BeansInJeopardy Jul 20 '20

They are vaguely aware that there are laws that apply to certain groups of people, like if you're poor then no stealing, or if you're male then no unwanted sexual moves, stuff like that, but they don't base their actions/assaulting on whether or not people are following laws, it's more a question of whether or not they perceive a person as being on their side or not.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

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u/roguetrick Jul 19 '20

The wheelchair didn't follow a lawful order and then resisted arrest.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '20

Because he most definitely did assault the officers and resist arrest.

Have you seen the actual video? It’s very clear.

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Jul 19 '20

Well, they're police, so the law doesn't apply to them.

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u/ProjectFrostbite Jul 19 '20

Who's going to charge them? The justice system?

They get away with shooting a guy that's unarmed, sobbing, crying and fulfilling conflicting instructions.

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u/igoogletoo Jul 19 '20

I use a wheelchair so I'm nervous to even ask, but do you have a link to that video?

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u/Mrkvica16 Jul 20 '20

I’m very sorry about this, please make sure you will be ok seeing it? It made me feel helpless watching it, and I don’t use a wheelchair :(

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u/Doominator22 Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

In the video, the person was disrupting an arrest which is illegal. They had surrounded and weren’t doing anything and he grabbed the police’s baton and started trying to hit them. At that point they were going to arrest him too. Regardless of whether the arrest he was disrupting was not a fair arrest, it’s still illegal to interrupt. Edit: full video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ulEGMhAUdOQ At 7:20 he punches a cop.

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u/FightingPolish Jul 19 '20

It won’t matter just like when they purposely damage a non disabled person.

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u/Cry0flame Jul 19 '20

I don't think it makes a difference since police can legally murder. Last time I checked battery was below that

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u/efshoemaker Jul 19 '20

Police have qualified immunity which means they can’t be held liable in civil courts for things they do on the job.

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u/Golden-Pickaxe Jul 19 '20

Well considering it was police I would imagine the police would say not at all

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u/TheDude-Esquire Jul 20 '20

Well, unlawful battery is unlawful battery. The problem is that the police can't functionally be held accountable for unjust violence. So technically, it would be battery, but This is America.

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u/soonerpgh Jul 20 '20

It's been a while but there was a video going around with a sheriff's deputy dumping a disabled man out of his wheelchair because she thought he was faking it or some dumb shit like that. I don't remember exactly. Maybe someone else here knows more about it. It's disgusting what people will do and even more disgusting that we have given these assholes any kind of authority.

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u/Bojangly7 Jul 20 '20

Spoiler alert

Nothing will happen

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u/throway69695 Jul 20 '20

It wouldn't, the cop pulled the chair away because he was getting arrested and a random protestor tried to grab the wheelchair and a detachable wheel came off

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u/ArazelTheSixth Jul 20 '20

Doesn't matter what crime specifically the cops are guilty of, they're still gonna get off free :(

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u/jamesmontanaHD Jul 19 '20

he was well within his right to do that because just prior in the video the guy in the wheelchair punched an officer in the face out of nowhere and then started resisting arrest

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u/RobotsRaaz Jul 19 '20

I mean, not speaking for the particular instance you're talking about (I haven't seen it), but it's not like police don't have the power to lawfully touch you/use force on you if justified

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

And most of the time, all the justification they need is the color of their uniform.

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u/badatlyf Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

it's not like police don't have the power to lawfully touch you/use force on you if justified

pretty sure that's understood here and everyone's talking about the abuse of that power

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u/naughtymarty Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

And for the domestic abusers out there...if the person you are abusing says they are going to call the police and you snatch the phone from their hand you’re going to get 1) battery 2)obstruction of justice 3) Robbery (because you took the phone 4) domestic abuse. 4 felonies for one motion of your hand. YSK.

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u/CatScrezatio Jul 19 '20

Also for the domestic abusers out there:

Stop what you're doing, ask yourself why you do that, and kindly fuck off and stop doing it

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u/badatlyf Jul 19 '20

"Gotta control my spouse" -dumbest ppl on earth

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Or shoot yourself through your head

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u/naughtymarty Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 20 '20

I know a lot of people don’t think they can change but they can. It’s just that the effort it takes to change is more than most people are willing to put into it. It’s important to remember that most domestic abusers are victims themselves at some juncture. And while I understand the emotion in your comment, the best approach to break the cycle is to find out who hurt the abuser themselves and heal that part of them so that they can change the way they think. That takes strong people with more empathy than most of us will ever have but that is the best approach.

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u/PaynefullyCute Jul 20 '20

From growing up in such an environment, it always seemed to me like my parents were two people who should absolutely not have been together. Both are different and less abusive in other relationships. Looking back now, it feels like they had a load of personal trauma and the other was the first person they met who didn't just say "get some therapy". They basically stuck with one another out of a desperate need to avoid introspection and "stick it" to the folk around them who said they had issues. Like "see? I'm married so I have no issues". And they kept at it even though it destroyed them both because they would rather fake normality than acknowledge they ever had a problem. Add the fallacy of sunk costs, and every year shit just got worse.

Considering that most cases of DV are mutual, and that few abusers are abusive to every single partner/friend/housemate, I can't help but wonder if my parents' dynamic is a common thing. And I dunno if I am just blindsided by my own trauma, but I can't see how people in these relationships can acknowledge they need help so long as they are together.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '20

I totally agree with your vision, let that be clear. My comment is at least a simplified reaction, I'm sure. If everybody exposed the empathy you apparently have, the world would be a beautiful place for everybody.

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u/HyruleCitizen Jul 19 '20

I understand what you're saying, but how could there ever be proof of that happening? (Not an abuser 😬)

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u/le_feelingsman Jul 20 '20

Crazy. Do you have an example of this happening?

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u/naughtymarty Jul 20 '20

I know several examples do to my work. Some will be dropped in most cases but the initial charges could easily include all 4.

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u/I_AM_HERE_VALIDATE Jul 19 '20

That’s a good law. I like that. Sad that it has to exist but I’m glad it’s there, y’know?

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u/That1one1dude1 Jul 19 '20

I mean, it isn’t specific to people with disabilities. If you wear a hat or jacket that is grabbed, or are holding something that is struck, that can also be a battery

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u/LifeIsJustARepost Jul 19 '20

What if... what if you were holding... a battery?

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u/Pointless69Account Jul 19 '20

Your local news outlet would probably implode.

A local battered battery batterer filed a battery of charges against the perpetrators of an anti-battery battery battery.

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u/DarkOverLordCO Jul 19 '20

In a similar vein:

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u/akcrow Jul 20 '20

Police police Police police police police Police police.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

r/wordavalanche or maybe plural.

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u/JaredsFatPants Jul 19 '20

And... listening to Metallica playing the song... Battery.

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u/I_AM_HERE_VALIDATE Jul 19 '20

True, Im just glad it’s designed to help disabled people as well.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

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u/AnnoShi Jul 19 '20

So smacking a camera out of someone's hand would be battery?

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u/bigkoi Jul 19 '20

Does that include eye glasses?

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u/lordoftime Jul 19 '20

Yup, TSA ripped apart a piece of fabric on my wife's chair once and got an earful. They're lucky we were exhausted from traveling and just wanted to get home.

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u/Zebulon_Flex Jul 20 '20

I'm so sick of this fascism!

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u/LuckyFarmsLiving Jul 20 '20

Ok, I had a full grown adult woman move me in my wheelchair from in front of a water fountain in Las Vegas so her kid could see better. My family didn’t even notice until after the show was over and I’m just sitting there looking dumb 15 feet from the railing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '20

Would it be a AA or AAA battery