Kqyre sbon edhe bash me ja harru, se osht e vertete, dy prej kampeve trefugjateve ma tmdhaja Stenkoveci edhe Çegrani jon kon ne Shkup. Une kom nejt shume ne Stenkovec. Tjeret kerkush sna pat lshu kufinin.
Cka me ju harru mor burr ? Keta kan qene te gatshem te na pastrojne etnikisht te gjitheve, se politiken e milosevicit edhe keta e kane ndjekur, por kur e pane bombardimin e natos , pastaj e ulen bishtin! Dhe kampet i hapen nga presioni nderkombetar dhe nga frika se mos do e pesojne si serbet ..
Qashtu osht vlla. Por jane ne NATO. Amerika e ka vleresu qe eshte ma mire me qene ne NATO sesa me rus, edhe ka logjik sepse ata ne fund qe kishin vujt kishin qene shqiptaret.
Une i besoj Amerikes. Sa here kemi qene me ni vije me Ameriken na ka dal mire historikisht.
Jane pak ne numer. 1 milion kane mbet edhe ato jon popullate e vjeter edhe nuk bojn femije, leja kohes. Vet rregullohen gjanat me ta.
Ehh de. Qashtu osht. Krejt regjioni jone eshte kurdis si bomb, kush e lshon i pari vendin, kush sbon femije mo, kush nuk o i gatshem me jetu nkete regjion ka me hup.
Serbt jon ka dalin, maqedont jon dal shume ma shume, njejt kroat jon dal shume, edhe malazezt, bullgart romunt, hungarezet, grekt.
Edhe na jena dal shume qe o shume keq. Po forja osht qe ata spo bojn femije. Momentalisht veq kosova e o tu e majt ni tempo ne natalitet.
Kshtuqe patriotizmi nkete faze osht me shtu numrin e popullates. Nese nkohe tpaqes e rrisim maksimalisht numrin e popullates, nuk na vijn turqit ktu qe i kan 90 milion banore gati me marr hapesirat qe perpara na kane taku neve.
Qishtu e rikthejme krejt teritorin. E ardhmja ne ballkan osht shqiptare. Na veq duhet me bo hyzmetin tone qysh duhet, e jo mu mashtu me lifestyle tkeq e individualizem, po me shume pune e me shume sakrifica per fmit tone per ni ardhme ma te mire.
Krejt kena me dek ni dite. Qka kena me lon mrapa osht me randsi.
Kujt mos me ja haru!? Mujsh mos me ja haru UNHCR edhe shqiptarve nga Maqedonia, se Maqedont sen skan bon. E bllokun kufirin dhe e hapen tek pasi ju siguruan mjete nga UNO dhe nga presioni nderkombetar. Pjesen dërmuese e refugjatve e kan strehu Shqiptaret ne shpijat e tyre. Pjesa dërmuese e kampeve ka qen ne pjesën ku jetojn Shqiptar. E ti don me u tregu aq liberal, se me ni kamp ne Stenkovec, kan bër kta kryevepër?!
Edhe dicka -> Stenkoveci u ndertu nga NATO dhe jo nga Maqedont. Vetëm ta kesh parasysh se kujt mos me ja haru
Nuk e ki keq ne baze vlla, po problemi eshte qe jane ne NATO. Edhe ne jemi ne NATO. Nuk kemi alternativa momentalisht. Amerika ka vendos ashtu. Duhemi me bashkepunu me aleatin ma te madh qe e kemi dhe te kemi besim.
Sa here kemi qene ne koordinim me Ameriken ka dal mire per qashtjen shqiptare. Kshtuqe une i besoj Amerikes. Nese ata kan vendos me sponzorizu hyrjen e tyre ne NATO, e kan dit qe alternativa e vetme qe mundet me qene ato momente eshte ndikimi rus. E ajo kish lendu shqiptart shume. Vetem 1 milion jane ne ballkan prej tyre dhe kane popullaten e vjeter shume dhe nuk bejne femije. Lerja kohes.
Krejt në rregull, por vetëm pse e kanë vendosur amerikanët ashtu, nuk do të thotë se duhet të pranojmë çdo lloj gënjeshtre ultranacionaliste nga këta tipa si ky
Kane nevoje per identifikim me diqka per me arsyetu rendesine e tyne se pse ka ndodh kjo shkeputje edhe ky rreshtim qysh e kane be, perndryshe ishin rreshtu me serb. E njejta situate me Malin e Zi.
Une i besoj Amerikes. Historikisht sa here kemi qene me ni vije me ta na ka dal mire. Nuk ka se qysh ka me na dal ndryshe.
Leje kohen me bo punen e vet, ka me bo ma shpejte sesa menojme.
Po pra. A e shef si na qujn terrorista e si tju vjen ne mend, madje shkojn aq larg saqe thojne se gjoja ne ja paskemi kolonizuar vendin e i paskemi pastruar etnikisht ne vendin e vet, kur dihet se policia edhe ushtria kane qene 100% slave pa asnji shqiptar deri ne 2001..
Nuk e di çka bojn moderatoret ketu e pse nuk i heqin keta fashista te poshter?!?!
Albania, Kosova are surrounding Macedonia. The entire Macedonian military is composed by Albanians. Except for Macedonian komiti which would surmount to "collateral damage" you don't even have a fighting force. Don't forget you cant even extinguish wild fires around Skopje since you dont have any proper equipment.
eshte gllup. Lere ta shofe bota se cfar gllupa ka maqedonija e veriut. Eshte mir ngadonjer edhe vet ne shqiptar te kujtohemi se cfar propaganda nacionalistet e shtetit jane duke mesuar femive te tyre.
Which cousin buddy ? You forgot who helped your grandmas and grandpas when they were expelled from Greece, the only country that opened the doors and saved these monkeydonian scumbags from the greek monarchists was Albania and you never mention that
You have the audacity to talk about terrorism? The real terror is the terror that was inflicted to Albanian population in NorthMacedonia, starting from the time of Yugoslavia and it continued after that country gained indirect. The situation of Albanians there was same as the situation of the blacks in South Africa during the apartheid! And yet you monkeydonians fail to accept it and acknowledge it, so you are either very thick brained and ignorant or you are just not willing to accept it, because you like to dominate the country even though you don’t have the capacity for that.. and that’s why my friend the armed conflict broke out! It did not start just for fun
I thank you for opening up the border for us, we had to wait one day, but u still did open the border. I wish you would make relations with Albanians from Macedonia better. We may not be at total terms, but you are not Serbs, at least not to me. I was a refugee at that time, i stayed in Stenkovec, Macedonians brought me food, but i would wish you would build much stronger relations with us than with Serbia. Trust me there is no good with them.
We have orthodox citizens between Albanian people as well. Religion shouldn’t be the only thing that connects you both.
Probably gonna get downvoted, but i wanted to state my opinion.
P.S this thing that happened in Manastir with the swedish tourist and the Albanian Eagle, i would wish you guys react and send those guys to jail. No one should be beaten up, Manastir is the place where we standardized our alphabet 130 years ago.
Your land? Kercova, Struga, Gostivar, Dibra, Tetova? Heck if you hadn't expulsed Albanians from BItoLA even this city would be majority Albanian. You guys just need a good old "roštilj" like in 2001 to come to senses.
we didnt attack in the past 100 year anyone
It's not a huge surprise actually since the "Macedonian nation" did not exist back then. Tito and Koliševski made you a nation.
we didnt came to kosovo and kill someone kosovo albanians backup buy the albaniam goverment and afc usa did it
Sure because Ali Ahmeti is from Kosovo, not from Zajaz hahaha.
There is no propaganda here buddy. All world already knows that you are the little powerlessness fascists of Bulgarian origin who deny their own roots and in order to build your pwn identity you feed hate against Albanians, that is the only thing that holds you little fascists together!
But the thing is that European Union have its verdict a month ago, that you do not have exist as a nation, neither as a language, so you are nothing than a bullgarian tribe who lives in denial and as a matter of fact you barely make the majority in that country.. if there was a correct census you wouldn’t make it even to 51%
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Omg. You really know how to twist things don’t you ? It is completely the opposite, in fact you Titodonian red fascists took this land and started to colonize with the slavs who were expelled from Greece during the civil war there and at the same time expelled Albanians and send them to turkey, do not forget that Skopje- the Capital always was majority Albanian, from antiquity till the 70’s when after the earthquake a lot of Bulgarodonians settlen in from other parts and become a majority there, so don’t come here with that bs Zionist thing, when you are the ones who have done it and yet you play the victim now
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Yea becouse they live in Macedonia so you say they accepted more then 250k refuges witouth the say so from Macedonia? You are ignorant bitch just like the zionist jews you people think you own the balkans
Pikerisht! Keta jane fashistat me te medhenj ne ballkan, nje gjysem komb xhuxh qe merret me fashizem, ja pra kane filluar te sulmojne edhe te huajt duke menduar se jane Shqiptare, mire qe dale ngadale ka filluar tu del boja
How exactly did you help? Please explain, because we honestly don’t know in what way Macedonians supported the Albanian refugees from Kosovo. But we remember the images in Blace, we remember the Macedonian government closing the border so no refugee could pass. What we also do know, however, is that Albanians in Macedonia opened their homes and sheltered the refugees. Almost every household hosted at least one family.
It impresses me how Macedonians like you, like to go all in in history revisionism, even in history that happened barely 20 years ago.
I’m in America as an asylum refugee cause of what the Mac’s where doing to us politicaly in lands that were historicity ours.
Mfers raised fake charges against my entire family uncles father grandfather and has arrests out for them when they never did anything they worked day time came home night time and kept to themselves out of fear of persecution.
America flew my entire family out to avoid becoming political prisoners.
Macdonia the fake country with a stolen Greek name and people who are a mix of everything around them trying to convince themselves of fake history.
Not my fault countries that don’t even reside in the Balkans redrew the maps and gave 25% of our land to other countries where the population is mainly Albanian and has to hear fake ass stories about macadonian history they think is there’s
You have zero connection to Alexander the Great yet have a statue of him in your capital it’s fucking hilarious how delusional that country has become
Also equally hilarious is the fact Slavic people aren’t native to the Balkans migrated here in the 6th century AD yet earliest examples of Albanian language and history extends to 2 BC under ancient roman and Byzantine history books
You migrated and invaded the area and convinced yourself you were always here somehow
By the time you guys came Rome Greece had gone and passed you have zero connection to the claims you make. You actually helped topple the kingdoms you know are proud of and act like are your history roots
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This is what I'm saying. North Macedonians did shit in helping. Majortiy of the help was done by Albanians. You should rather read your screenshot that you posted. Construction, food supply and finance for the refugee camps was done by UNHCR, NATO and individual European countries.
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Ah yes Italy who occupied us and now is trying to use us as a base for there migrant detentions . Italy who at the time of skenderberg was the kingdom of Naples and was allied to us than when the ottomans came they never helped or sent a solider over in fear the ottomans would attack them next. Than when they realized the ottomans couldn’t break us they sent some supplies over. If they had sent there men our culture would have never been turkified and islamified
I’d go with America. Whole reason our country even exists today is because Woodrow Wilson at the 1919 peace conference. the rest of the world was set on erasing Albania at the Paris peace conference and breaking it up to Serbia Macedonia and Greece Montenegro etc because they thought Albanias land mass could be used as a buffer zone between the Balkan nations.
Everyone voted yes on this fyi the entire world did it was American president woodrow Wilson who stepped in with the ONLY no vote saying that millions of Albanians have called that land home for generations and generations they have a language a culture a religion of there own and are there own people . He forced the League of Nations to recognize Albania as an independent country not partition it out to neighboring country’s.
Albanias (and kosovos) biggest ally and supporter and backer is America.
Hell America just gave us over 800 humvees and infantry fighting vehicles black hawk helicopters etc all for free to ensure stability with our country and helping us modernize
And we even fell to communism sadly shortly after and America it waited it didn’t intervene it didn’t dismantle it but the moment communism fell America opened its arms again to us we have no greater ally in the world than America.
I dont disagree with the pick of America just saying that if your gonna use the independence argument then Austria should get equal credit as austrian empire was only reason serbia and greece didn’t take albania in 1912
I don’t hate the Italians I just think our people kinda almost worship them in a way when in reality they’ve kinda fucked us plenty of times in history when the chance has risen backstabbed us etc.
King ferdinand of naples was an ally of skanderbeg and he did what was realistically possible for him to do considering his own dynasty rule was contested by the french claimants and the spanish .
Italian rule over albania was not brutal or opressive especially when you consider we didn’t fight against it at all which is quite frankly very much in character
They did help develop vlora somewhat and considering the large number of albanians they took as immigrants i dont think we can ask for more on top of their continued support of Albania in matters of eu
Not saints by any means but compare them to our other neighbors
The migrants thing was a bit of backstabbing. I understand that it was a political and economical deal between the two prime ministers (not governments, but PMs), but the very same week, Meloni facilitated in opening a Fiat factory in Serbia. If there was really a good friendship from her, she would have done that for Albania.
The problem is your/our fucking PM who has no economic development plan in place other then allow high risers to launder dirty money and make billions for himself and his developer friends.
As for factories in albania and Kosovo i want them here but one question….who will run them ? No one has any confidence in albanian education to produce any capable engineers or people that can work with heavy complex machinery above some simple assembly line
And we don’t have the expertise because our education is on same level as African nations who are in civil wars
Running them? Easy: Italians initially with Albanian engineers assisting them. This would also bring some expertise to Albanians and that is extremely valuable. And also, not that I'm an expert, but I guess there's a lot of work in a car assembly line/factory for people with minimal education and mechanical/handy work. Of course, some training would be needed, which I'd guess the Serbians are getting. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they're getting something good, but I'd have preferred that Albanians get that haha
But its not just italians who ignore albania and kosovo
I have gotten the chance to talk to foreign investors and when your known as mob country where you get blackmailed to do business even if its dubious the scale and time period which it happened this will destroy our international reputation to do business
Especially when our governments(kosovo in perticular) has decided to absolutely make life hell for private foreign investors
Despite historical fuck ups, which are a bit old, what bothers me the most about Italians is that most of the crimes Albanian did in the '90s and most of the bad habits, we learned from them. The first Albanian migrants to Italy, vulnerable young men, quickly were seduced by the quick money and the life of crime, and were used by Italians.
I don't really agree with that. Never met an Italian to behave badly towards me, and I haven't always traveled to Italy as tourist. Most of my encounters with Italians have been pretty positive and never heard of hating from most of other Albanians. Most like it has been being overworked, whicj is what most rich bosses did in the '90s.
Agreed on that, but they also wanted an independent Albanian state to create a sort of balance in the Balkans against their other enemies. But yeah, Austria has been a good friend as well.
3000 napoletan soldiers perished in the battle of Berat ; Skanderbeg took part in Ferdinand's campaigns against John II of Anjou and helped him secure his throne. Venetians even though they were sneaky and not to be trusted were our allies for a while after the Albanian-Venetian wars. It was the death of pope Pius II who was truly making some efforts to a new crusade which ceased all hope to push back the ottomans. It should be noted that the Vatican was in a state of turmoil and political disagreements for quite some time. Overall given the critical situation of christendom their efforts were the bare minimum.
Sorry for triggering you a bit, boss. I meant it in a social sense more than in a political point of view.
The fact that we are used as their refuge base is a political arrangement. The fact they invaded us, although it should not be forgotten, is something that happened by a completely different generation, completely different political motives and generally should be something of the past. But, emphasis on not forgetting history.
The Kingdom of Naples argument would be valid for other states of the time as well, but again: different times, different people.
But yeah, I'd agree in America being one of the closest friends. Even though I do feel that we are friends because is in their interest as well for go-political reasons. Yes, I know Wilson's efforts for our lands.
I don’t wanna seem anti Italian I know it does re reading my own shit lmao let me use this time to let yall know I’m not hateful of Italians or spiteful or something I just don’t think they are our greatest ally. Coulda worded it better
Lmao re-reading it now it does seem like that hahhaha
I also don't think they are our greatest ally, definitely not. But they do support us here and there. I'd like them to support us a bit more, to be a bit coherent with what they say, but it is what it is.
Yes, but I mean also. Austria today as a country, Austrian people in general, and several Austrian people that appreciated, researched and supported our country. Also Austria is supporting Albania's bid to join EU.
Woodrow Wilson 1919 conference is the reason our country exists today the rest of the world voted in splitting our country up into buffer zones no more Albania.
Woodrow Wilson American president at the time was the only no vote and being America its vote weighed more than others and he advocated for us
Recognize us! If you did, relations will get lots better, i was in Sarajevo once, they accepted me like a brother. At least pressure two of the three presidents to recognize ID cards so there is free movement. Change is from you!
Somehow a border from Croatian part or Bosnian part, a border so we can enter.
It is more complicated than that. We have 2 entities and 1 district. 3 presidents. They obstruct one another. I think third of people in BiH is serbs and for reasons they will not accept kosovo. I hope you understand. I am glad you had a nice time in Sarajevo.
There's no such thing as best friend, but considering Turkey has a greater interest than EU for us to still exist in the Balkans, then probably they are the closest thing to that..
Worst enemy, yugoslavs (and maybe greece), no doubt
Friendsa- Usa, Anglia, Gjermani, Italy dhe Turqija
Non friends qe duhet zhudur dmth- Serbistanet, Titodonasit apo Monkeydonians apo Bullgarodonet qe jane fashistet me te medhenj ne ballkan dhe nje pjese e Grekeve
Tash fati na ka lidh me ta. 7 milion shqiptar i ki ne Turqi, te asimilum, nuk dijn shqip, ama kom qene te ni familje ne Stamboll, mi paten tregu fotografite, permbi 200 refugjate tkosoves i paten pranu.
The Ottomans (Turks) were by far the worst influence on Albania & Albanians. Their occupation held the Albanian people back on the ground and in their minds.
Doesn’t really matter, I live in the US and have lived here for decades. My children are basically American, as assimilation slowly takes hold, and NO ethnicity is immune to those forces. I peruse this sub from time to time and have come to the realization that the die has been set with Albania and Albanian inhabited lands. Unfortunately, the Austro-Hungarian Empire didn’t make its way south and we were stuck with the Ottomans, and combined with the fact that Albanians weren’t organized as a people to counter the Ottoman pressure, and there you go…Other countries were able to maintain their identities to a stronger extent and maintained their institutions, churches, schools, etc. The Ottomans banned the printing press and the Albanian language for quite a long time. The irony that the Ottomans respected the nations who held strong vs. Albanians, who embraced all that was Ottoman. Even after centuries of Ottoman rule, those nations were able to emerge from their rule unscathed to a lesser degree than we were. Ottoman rule was a disaster and the large scale embracing of it reverberates to this day.
It’s been decades since communism, move on. I’m fine, my family didn’t capitulate to the Turks. Have some self awareness and reflection and perhaps you’ll see as well.
Please don’t promote hate. I posted something in one of your comments as a reply. I want you guys to respect each other. Kosovo should be the bridge between us.
The first coment said worst enemy Macedonia but i spreed hate? You people are so aragonat you cant even accept your mistakes and the fact we help you while the Serbs killed you.... you people cant accept the fact that your terorist uck attack few years later our civilians i dont spreed hate im saying facts nd defending our pride and enough is enough from you albanians trying to destory us
You really should take one deep breath and most important, stop reading your propaganda papers, incl. your history books. As soon as you have done so, everything will be good.
USA, Austria, Italy, Croatia have helped Albania the most so we can consider them friendly countries toward Albania. Kosovo is the same as us. Votra Jone (Our Hearth)…Worst enemies are our neighbours mainly Serbia, N.Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro. Though they keep the facade of ‘good neighbours’ but you still feel the thing when you visit them. The politics they use toward Albanians in general now and in the past have only been horrendous and I cannot even start to understand why the hate. Sometimes I feel sorry for them.
Italy and Turkey, any other nation does it only because of interest.
I hate the Ottoman Empire with all my heart, but if there was a war ongoing and Albania and Kosovo got invaded, the only countries I would except help from are those two.
You think Turkey would help in a war? You're delusional lol. They'd only try to protect the hundreds of mosques they built in the albanian territories lmao
Lmao you bitchboy think that someone took the time out of their day to shove a bottle up this gaybois ass? Bro just admit that he was feeling a bit zeisty and decided he wanted to fuck his own ass 🤣
Yes, 2000 infantry soldiers (Geri) with the support of NATO aviation, against 200 professionals, did not move the border line by more than a kilometer, fantastic 😁😁
Historically for the albanian nation and for albanian people best friend is Italy 🇮🇹 sending help and offering alliances to fight against the otomans and helped the albanianpeople to escape from otomans, during 1920s- 1930s the Italian government at the time helped albania to modernize and to get close relationships with the westerners , helping to build Italian schools, universities, banks, oil companies, and fashion industry in albania. And of course in the 90s the Italian government helped the albanian refuge to find shelter until they are good. And plus during the Berlin Conference and Treaty of Versailles the Italians supported the idea of the independent nation for albanian people ( of course lately to get annexed by italians) . After the Italians the next real best friend for Albania is of course The United States of America 🇺🇸 because thanks to them Albania 🇦🇱 exists and has those territory. Plus USA helped a lot Kosovo 🇽🇰 saving them from tyranny of serbian military and serbian politics at the time and helped the albanian refuge from kosovo 🇽🇰. The next friends for Albania are France 🇫🇷 not to mention the old attempts of albanians who try to create secret alliance with france during Ali Pasha Tepelena against the otomans. And during ww1 French army builds a lots of important roads for transport in Southern Albania and opens schools and colleges in Korça and during 1920s and 1930s many students from albania goes to France for studying. And during communism France was one of those western countries that Albania has good relationships. And for the last best friend for Albania was Austria 🇦🇹. Because support the idea of independent nation for albanian people with their original territory like kosovo and South epirius.
The Worst enemy was the Otoman Empire and Turks 🇹🇷.they has so close to destroy the albanian culture, and language and our identity,otomans killed a lot of man and albanian children and intelectuals who were against them and they rules. Otomans didn't invest nothing in albania, they didn't build nothing here the only investment that otomans did here was only to destroy the albanian nation. Of course lately the otomans decided to not harm us bu letting us to create the great albanian pashallaks but at the end of 1800s ' they old nature come back and desidet to do again.
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u/AccordingToe2485 Kosova 1d ago
Thank you USA you are my best friend