r/amandaknox • u/Angry_Sparrow • 7d ago
innocent Mignini saying that because the body was covered with a blanket the murder was done by a woman…
If you believe anything this misogynist says after he says that then you need your head examined. Based on WHAT FACTS does he make this claim? It’s confirmation bias. He repeats it in the 2016 doco, too.
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u/JellyKind9880 7d ago
Mignini was a fucking psychopath with way too much power and a desperate need for a “win” after his insane ass actions with that serial case (and yes, also very sexist, and I believe sex-obsessed as well).
Honestly, sadly there’s not much more to it than that
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u/Connect_War_5821 innocent 6d ago
I don't think Mignini is a psychopath but rather a narcissist who believes he can see evidence that others miss and likens himself to Sherlock Holmes. He likes being admired which is why he bragged about strangers walking up to him to congratulate him on his 'wins'. He does not ever admit he is wrong.
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u/Angry_Sparrow 6d ago
I noticed that too. Classic grandiose narcissist. I bet he had a lot of flying monkeys in the police force that believed in his cause.
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u/IndependentStudio312 7d ago
I’m watching the 2016 documentary and had to come to Reddit to see if anyone else thought he delusional. Did this man really say he was a prophet? Omg
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u/Jim-Jones innocent 7d ago
I can't stop imagining a Punch and Judy show with Mignini as a crackpot character.
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u/PalpitationOk7139 7d ago
I wouldn’t be certain that this statement can be univocally attributed to Mignini, but it still seems like an elegant way of showing his limited reasoning skills, which embarrassingly conditioned the investigation from the very first day. The problem of Mignini’s “preconceptions” is well known and repeatedly evident in much of his interventions, which he still delivers without shame, even after his investigations have been criticized in every possible way by the final ruling. But I believe the most ignoble moment came on October 10, 2008, when, in a closed-door address during the Guede trial, he went so far as to suggest that the youngsters had to act before midnight of the “All Saints – Halloween” day! This shows the almost pathological level of preconceptions that drove him — making the duvet that covered Meredith seem trivial in comparison…
''Subjects morbidly attracted by the combination of sex and violence…. ....at around 9 p.m. on November 1st and for the following three hours, it was still All Saints’ Day, and what could not be carried out on the eve of the Feast of the Saints could be carried out in the night of transition from that feast to the Feast of the Dead.
That opportunity could not be missed…''
How can a person who says something like that ever be credible again? This clearly reflects his inner conflicts at that time and the total lack of clarity that also led him, to fail to carefully reflect on other central issues, in the frenzied search for elements that would at all costs support his bizarre convictions.
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u/Angry_Sparrow 6d ago
He says it directly to the camera in his interview in the 2016 documentary.
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u/PalpitationOk7139 6d ago
The exact words are reported on p. 42 of this official document, which he pronounced in court: https://www.themurderofmeredithkercher.net/docupl/filelibrary/docs/argument-notes/2008-10-08-Notes-Mignini-for-closing-arguments.pdf
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u/corpusvile2 7d ago
He didn't say that he said it was unlikely an unknown male intruder would cover up the body once it turned to murder, within the context of a burglary gone wrong. He was mistranslated and that documentary was made by two Knox supporters, who were campaigning for her since 2010. To clarify I'm not saying I agree with Mignini, but again he was mistranslated in that documentary.
No evidence at all whatsoever he's a misogynist and no misogyny took place at Knox's due process.
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u/Truthandtaxes 7d ago
I'm always bemused by that claim, is it more sexist to believe women can and do commit murder or to assert that they don't?
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u/bensonr2 6d ago
Oh my god that's some tortured logic even for you.
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u/corpusvile2 6d ago
How so? I accurately stated he was mistranslated, which he was and just as accurately stated there's No evidence at all whatsoever he's a misogynist and that no misogyny took place at Knox's due process. Which he isn't and which none occurred. And you're the one who claimed Knox was only shopping for necessary underwear and when three different links were provided refuting your claim you hand waved it away, as misreporting by "tabloid rags", despite two of the links being respectable newspapers like the Telegraph & Independent, so you're not in any position to accuse others of tortured logic anyway, sorry.
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u/SunEmpressDivine 6d ago
I swear I've heard this said on Criminal Minds, which is, you know, incredibly accurate and applicable to real life
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u/KikiLovesMark 2d ago
The fact that the kind of criminal profiling that has become so popularized and believed because of Criminal Minds (which I love) when the guy who first came up with it had been debunked forever is exhausting lol
Like no, I won’t take at face value the claim that the killer must be a confident narcissist because he wears black and white wingtip shoes.
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
Is covering the face or body of their victim a characteristic of female murderers? If so, not something Mignini made up.
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u/jasutherland innocent 7d ago
No, it isn’t - he didn’t make it up himself, but it’s just an urban legend.
In particular blood phobic killers are probably more likely than most to do it, which is also not gender specific.
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u/AyJaySimon 7d ago
I read it's more common in cases where the killer is ashamed of what they've done.
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u/jasutherland innocent 7d ago
Yes. Moreover killing at all is much more common with male offenders than female - so contrary to Mignini’s assumption and TK’s efforts to defend another lost cause, the body being covered certainly doesn’t imply a female killer (nor does his chatgpt output actually say that either).
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
From ChatGPT, my question and it's answer:
Do female murderers tend to cover their dead victims' faces?
Yes — research in criminology and forensic psychology has found that covering or concealing a victim’s face or body (sometimes called psychological undoing) is more commonly observed among female offenders than male offenders.
Here are some relevant points from the literature:
Face covering as "undoing": When a murderer covers the victim’s face with clothing, bedding, or nearby objects, it is often interpreted as an empathic response — the offender feels guilt, remorse, or discomfort at looking at the victim after the act.
Gender differences: Several case reviews and homicide studies suggest that women are statistically more likely than men to cover a victim’s face or body afterward. Male offenders are more likely to leave the body uncovered, stage the scene, or attempt to hide/dispose of it altogether.
Victim–offender relationship: This behavior is more often seen when the victim is personally known to the killer (intimate partner, child, family member). Female offenders often kill within domestic or relational contexts, which may increase the likelihood of such a response.
Symbolic meaning: Some criminologists interpret it as the offender’s attempt to "undo" the act, shield themselves from the victim’s gaze, or restore dignity to the victim.
That said, it’s not universal — not all female killers do this, and some male killers also engage in it. But statistically, the behavior is more associated with female perpetrators and emotionally close killings.
Would you like me to pull specific homicide case studies or statistics where this pattern was observed?
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u/Angry_Sparrow 7d ago
ChatGPT is an LLM not a reputable source.
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
Too bad you don't consider them a reputable source because I just told ChatGPT "yes" to the question (the last sentence) and they pretty much agreed with you:
yes
ChatGPT said:
Thought for 28s
Here are well-sourced findings you can cite about face-/body-covering (“masking/undoing”) after homicide and how it relates to female offenders:
It’s rare overall. A national U.S. case-file review (n=975 homicides) found “undoing” behaviors (including covering the face/body, washing, redressing, etc.) in ~1.1% of cases—most involved a close relationship between offender and victim. PubMed
Female offenders & intimate/known victims. A Finnish nationwide study directly comparing 91 female and 91 male homicide offenders reported that among female offenders, covering the body co-occurred with intimate-partner killings and was interpreted as reflecting shame/remorse; among men, covering more often paired with moving/concealment. (This specific association is summarized in the UK “masking” study’s literature review and traces back to Häkkänen-Nyholm et al., 2009.) E-SpacePubMed
UK case series on “masking” (face covering). In 126 solved UK homicides, researchers distinguished masking (face covering) from cloaking (body covering) and concealment. They found no statistically significant link between face covering and offender–victim relationship or offender demographics overall, but noted a high frequency of elderly female victims in masking cases. In other words, face covering did not strongly “point” to who did it, though certain victim patterns emerged. E-Space
Profiling/forensic texts’ interpretation. The FBI’s Crime Classification Manual and Geberth’s Practical Homicide Investigation discuss covering the victim’s face/body as classic “psychological undoing”—often seen when the offender knows the victim and experiences guilt or discomfort at viewing the face post-mortem. These are clinical/operational interpretations rather than hard prevalence stats. eBookshelfPagePlace
Bottom line
The behavior does occur across genders, but empirical work suggests female offenders—especially in domestic/intimate contexts—show covering more as an “undoing” expression than males, who more often pair covering with instrumental concealment. That said, the best available UK dataset didn’t find a strong overall statistical signal for face covering alone, and undoing behaviors are uncommon to begin with. Treat it as one clue among many, not a standalone indicator. E-SpacePubMed+1
If you want, I can pull short, quotable excerpts/tables from the Finnish 2009 paper and the UK 2022 paper to keep on hand for footnotes.
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u/Angry_Sparrow 7d ago
Just search Pubmed itself. Do you know how to research?
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u/Dangerous-Lawyer-636 3d ago
Try not to be a dick in the discussions
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u/Angry_Sparrow 3d ago
I’m not? It’s a genuine question. Academically you’d never quote Wikipedia or an LLM as a source.
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u/bensonr2 6d ago
Now google statistics on how many sexual murders against females are commited by other females.
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u/tkondaks 6d ago
Why would I want to do that? Raff is the one who had a knife on him.
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u/itisnteasy2021 innocent 6d ago
Because this post is basically "murder was done by a woman.." That is literally the comment we are discussing. And your ChatGPT question fails to figure out the nuance. (Much like Mignini did.) Of the murders and sexual assault on a female, how many are perpetrated by another female? That is the first question. Because, ask that question and then apply the probability and you'll get your answer. You'll also get why we think it was such a ridiculous claim and way to start the investigation.
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u/SeaCardiologist6207 7d ago
Now ask ChatGPT if Rudy Guede committed the murder - I don’t think you will like the answer
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u/Angry_Sparrow 7d ago
Link a reputable scientific source for it.
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
I reproduce my ChatGPT question on this subject elsewhere in this thread...it makes references to stats and studies.
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u/Beautiful_Tour_5542 7d ago
Even if it is, it has no bearing on the investigation.
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
True, but it has a bearing as one of many factors that the reader will consider in deciding whether she killed Meredith.
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u/Beautiful_Tour_5542 7d ago
I don’t understand.
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u/tkondaks 7d ago
I think you're correct when you say it has no bearing on the investigation because even if, statistically, women cover the body more than men do, it's not definitive in any one case.
However, this won't stop an individual from factoring it into their own personal decision whether she's guilty or innocent.
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u/SeaCardiologist6207 7d ago
I just asked ChatGPT if Rudy did it - you might want to factor it into your decision that Rudy is innocent:
My view
Given the record, the most supportable conclusion is that Guede was the principal perpetrator and, as far as the justice system is concerned, the only perpetrator. The combination of his DNA and bloody prints in the murder room is probative; meanwhile, the evidence against Knox and Sollecito did not survive higher-court scrutiny. Reasonable people can note lingering uncertainties about the exact sequence of events or whether anyone else was present, but those uncertainties never rose to a standard sufficient for conviction—and after nearly two decades and exhaustive litigation, they likely never will. On balance, both the evidentiary weight and the final legal outcomes point to Guede as Kercher’s killer.
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u/tkondaks 6d ago
Oh, I certainly factored it into my decision that Rudy was guilty or innocent...years ago, and I was convinced he was guilty and Amanda and Raffaele innocent.
And then I started examining the facts of the case and my decision on each of the three took a 180 degree change.
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u/SeaCardiologist6207 6d ago
And then Rudy beat up his girlfriend and you became a defender for an abuser. Good career choice.
ps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/11/meredith-kercher-killer-trial-assaulting-former-girlfriend/
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u/tkondaks 6d ago
I wasn't aware his recent case has already been to trial and a verdict rendered. But you are.
Your rush to judgement is the earmark of mob mentality. And lynching.
Good mindset choice.
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u/SeaCardiologist6207 6d ago
Well gee, considering the fact that he has done it before with Meredith, might be a pattern here.
And cute use of the word "mob" and "lynching". Excellent mindset choice by you.
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u/No_Slice5991 7d ago
“The covering of a victim’s body is often misinterpreted by local investigators, some of whom might suppose that the offender is showing remorse or personal feeling and therefore wishes to “take care” of the body. While that is sometimes true in cases where there is or was a strong emotional tie between killer and victim, those presentations tend to show actual concern and careful wrapping and placement of the body. We would expect to see this in cases of “soft kills” by strangulation or drugs.
There are no such characteristics in this presentation. The postmortem covering of the body is sloppy and haphazard, with a foot exposed.
Stripping the duvet from the bed and throwing it over the victim’s body in this situation is an indicator of depersonalization—the UNSUB did not want to see the results of his assault as he remained in the room searching for money and valuables.
The UNSUB would be able to justify the killing in his own mind as necessary to protect himself; i.e., he tried to determine ahead of time if anyone was home and it is not his fault that someone came in later to interrupt his plan.”