r/antimeme 26d ago

❌ Anti-Hate ❌ Just a vocal minority

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u/Fickle-Cartoonist466 26d ago

I mean there's only so many man-hating feminists I can meet (this is irl mind you, this isn't even social media skewing perceptions) before I don't want to interact with ANY of them anymore 🥀💔

From my experience, not every feminist is a #killallmen misandrist. But every #killallmen misandrist is also a feminist

A few bad apples make the entire orchard shut down from expensive lawsuits or whatever the phrase says

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u/BagoPlums 26d ago

Misandrists are not and will never be feminists. They're pretenders. Any misandrist claiming to be a feminist is a liar.

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u/Fickle-Cartoonist466 26d ago

Ok but when prominent 2nd wave feminists like Gearhart and Daly advocate for male genocide and several modern feminists ascribe to that belief system, it's not as simple as writing these folks off as "not real feminists"

They're a significant minority or sect of the ideological movement, at least

Gearhart literally wrote:

  1. Every culture must begin to affirm a female future.
  2. Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture.
  3. The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.

~Sally Miller Gearhart, The Future - If There Is One - Is Female

Calls for male genocide are part of actual feminist history, not just an obscure internet echo chamber or something

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 26d ago

10% is an interesting choice

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u/Inevitable_Ad_7236 22d ago

Don't need taht many men to maintain population ig

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 22d ago

True. Would make the world safer too.

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u/Inevitable_Ad_7236 22d ago

no lmao

I wasn't agreeing with that shit, it's fucking idiotic aside from being extremely unethical.

I was simply stating the objective fact that a single man can produce far more children in his lifetime than a single woman can

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 22d ago

But it would objectively make the world safer. I know one crime that would go waaaay down.

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u/Fickle-Cartoonist466 22d ago

"Well if we just eliminated a ton of black/Jewish/whatever group of people then crime would go waaaay down"

See how stupid you sound? 😑

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u/Inevitable_Ad_7236 22d ago

TLDR: In same power situations, women are just about as likely to commit crime and violence as men. Even assuming otherwise, mass poverty due to spiking healthcare costs and/or rapidly shrinking population would increase crime regardless

From A Review of Research on Women’s Use of Violence With Male Intimate Partners - PMC

When physical aggression is the subject of inquiry, studies consistently find that as many women self-report perpetrating this behavior as do men; some studies find a higher prevalence of physical aggression committed by women (for a review see Archer, 2000). For example, the National Family Violence Survey (Straus & Gelles, 1990), a nationally representative study of 6,002 men and women, found that in the year before the survey, 12.4% of wives self-reported that they used violence against their husbands compared to 11.6% of husbands who self-reported using violence against their wives. Furthermore, 4.8% of wives reported using severe violence against their husbands, whereas 3.4% of husbands reported using severe violence (Straus & Gelles, 1990). Studies with college samples also find that men and women commit similar rates of physical aggression (Cercone, Beach, & Arias, 2005) or that a higher prevalence of women commit physical aggression (Straus, 2004).

From another paper from the same source

Rates of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization in the previous 6 months were highest for female inmates (212 per 1,000), more than four times higher than male rates (43 per 1,000)

So, we can pretty safely conclude that women are pretty much just as prone to violence (physical and sexual) in situations where perceived power is equalised.

Additionally, even if women were less likely to commit crimes, the sheer economic impact it would have would send millions straight into poverty and skyrocket crime rates. To maintain the population, each woman would have to go from an average of just over 2 children to about 4 (as ~half the kids are culled, being male). Abortion would also be fairly unfeasible, as abortions at the point of determining gender (18-24 weeks) ned to be performed under general anaesthesia. So, either women would have to suddenly get way more enthusiastic about being pregnant for nothing, or the population craters within a single generation. Either way, shit gets ass fast

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 22d ago

I like that you had to use prisoners, people who are already criminals as a poor attempt to dismiss male violence. Did you also read that most women who are in prison are likely to be victims of sexual abuse at the hands of men? And how that may have impacted their criminal behavior? No?

Women are 7 times more likely to be the victims of sexual assault, 6 times more likely to be trafficked and 3 times more likely to be kidnapped. 

Guess who's doing all those crimes?

Males constituted 87.9% of those arrested for robbery

Males constituted 85.0% of those arrested for burglary

Males constituted 83.0% of those arrested for arson.

Males constituted 81.5% of those arrested for motor-vehicle theft.

Males constituted 79.7% of those arrested for offenses against family and children.

Males constituted 77.8% of those arrested for aggravated assault

Males were convicted of the vast majority of homicides in the United States, representing 89.5%

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime

Do you want to try this again? 😉

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u/Inevitable_Ad_7236 22d ago

That's under the current scenario, in which women are weaker. In your 'safer' scenario, women will be the majority. hence hold the strength. My point lies in that it would in fact, not be safer.

My linked example (and the majority of my post) was based on domestic violence scenarios, wherein women were either equally likely or more likely to initiate physical violence.

The strong do harm. Power is the main factor determining perpetration and victimhood. In situations where women hold power-- like a relationship or an all-female prison-- we see that the rates of abuse and violence between men and women are roughly the same.

News flash, humans suck about the same regardless of what's between their legs.

Nowhere in my comment did I say that men don't currently commit more crimes. I actually fucking read the papers I linked before sending quotes. Maybe you should learn to read too

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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 22d ago

Still talking about inmates? All right, let's talk about this scenario in which there are around 10% of men. There will be no domestic violence because there will be no relationships with men, anything else?

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