r/antimeme 29d ago

❌ Anti-Hate ❌ They agree about this.

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u/TheReaperAbides 29d ago

It'd help if those same men (and I say this as a cis guy) would stop bringing up men's issues only and exclusively as a whataboutism in response to women's/trans rights/issues.

If you cared about these issues so much, you wouldn't have weaponized them to this extent.

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u/ColdHooves 29d ago

The problem is very often the response to men’s issues is met either with the idea of men being the cause of their own problems or it’s reframed into also being a women’s issue.

The graduation disparity is one example of this. And I can share my own experiences with mental health.

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u/kirotheavenger 29d ago

There's a very strong prevailing idea that every fault in society, regardless of who it affects, is ultimately caused by men.

It's patriarchy, or toxic masculinity, or misogyny. Even toxic femininity is often presented as protectionism against men, or internalised misogyny or whatever

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u/ColdHooves 29d ago

I am not completely against the idea that some problems can be connected to a legacy of traditional masculinity. My problem is that the presented solution is a rejection of masculinity rather than a reformation of it. This also turns into a sins of the father issue where young men are told, at the very least, that they are complacent in these systems.

It creates a very dangerous mentality where young men seeking help either isolate into some very dark places or violently lash out. This comment section is a decent example of what I’m on about.

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u/kirotheavenger 28d ago

Absolutely, the alt right is being fed by men who feel villanised by society based on their gender. 

The complete lack of nuance and absolute ubiquity of "the problem is men" message is causing a lot of harm.