r/bothareyoung • u/Internal_Review7040 • Jun 20 '25

From a r/youngpeople sub Kid says some political shit without knowning anyhing, slightly older kid says "Buddy get off the iPad you 8 years old"

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 20 '25

communism is generally on par with fascism.

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u/iknowhowtoread Jun 20 '25

“I like history” not enough to pay attention to it apparently

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 20 '25

USSR, Italy.

now they ARE different but communism is generally worse

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u/Internal_Review7040 Jun 21 '25

what does italy have to do with this? i hope you're not talking about Mussolini, since when he was around there still was a king (Vittorio Emanuele III) and nobility.

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u/iknowhowtoread Jun 20 '25

Shitty ragebait or genuine stupidity lol

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 20 '25

Communism is on par or worse than fascism. (in most cases)

1984 was based on Stalinism, a type OF communism

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u/iknowhowtoread Jun 20 '25

Yes, the system that took a feudal peasant state to the country with the highest daily caloric intake in less than 100 years is on par with the system that exterminates people for their ethnicity. I still can’t tell if you’re ragebaiting or just an idiot

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 20 '25

i mean, it feels like YOUR doing the same.

look at north korea

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u/iknowhowtoread Jun 21 '25

Look at capitalist Haiti. See the flaw in your logic? Your reasoning isn’t sound or intelligent.

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 21 '25

i didnt bring up capitalism?

im just saying communism is on par with fascism.

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u/iknowhowtoread Jun 21 '25

And your argument for that is “look at North Korea”. Remarkable idiocy

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u/basedfinger Jun 21 '25

communism d

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u/aallon_pituus Jul 13 '25

*State capitalism, the form of "communnism" practiced in the USSR, PRC, Vietnam, etc. was not real communism at all.

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u/p1ayernotfound Jul 13 '25

"not real communism

Fascist italy didn't restore rome like how italian fascism was wanting to work, yet i don't hear people, fascists OR historians say "thats not real fascism"

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u/aallon_pituus Jul 14 '25

What us the definition of fascism? Is the definition of fascism an "authoritarian ideology that tries to restore the Roman Empire"?

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u/commanderAnakin Jun 20 '25

"UH! NO IT ISN'T! REAL COMMUNISM HASN'T BEEN TRIED!"

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u/p1ayernotfound Jun 20 '25

maybe the real communism was the friends we made along the way

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u/commanderAnakin Jun 20 '25

*starved friends

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u/InevitableStuff7572 Jun 21 '25

Name one time it was

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u/Sad_Body7575 Jun 21 '25

A better term to associate Communism with is Totalitarianism.

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u/InevitableStuff7572 Jun 21 '25

100% not. Do you know what communism is? It’s a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

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u/Sad_Body7575 Jun 21 '25

That's humanly impossible. How about we look at real examples? The soviet union, an authoritarian dictatorship that used fear to make the population submit and killed many innocent people. China, another dictatorship that leaves 312 million people without internet access and a great firewall to prevent outside information from entering, along with a super-application on phones to make it easier to monitor their population. Oh, and also commits genocide against the Uyghurs.

Edit: Yes, I know what communism is. The idea of a stateless, classless, and moneyless society is quite frankly stupid and unachievable on any level.

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u/InevitableStuff7572 Jun 21 '25

Criticizing the USSR and China when they obviously aren’t communist (and you agreed with that) as a critique of communism is really funny.

Also, a stateless, classless, moneyless society is not only possible, but needed.

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u/Sad_Body7575 Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25

So, give me a SINGULAR example where communism has actually worked? Because honestly, I've never seen it. Vietnam is barely socialist, and has open markets.

And how the fuck do you claim the USSR is not communist? I understand China somewhat (they're socialist) however it was quite literally rooted in Marxism-Leninism and ruled by the CPSU.

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u/InevitableStuff7572 Jun 21 '25

The hard part is that the places that have gotten the closest (such as the parts of Spain operating under anarchism during the Spanish Civil War) were always fighting. The societies themselves worked fine, but Franco, back by other world leaders, crushed the anarchists after 3 years.

We saw similar things happen to anarchist Ukraine after WW2, which was crushed by the west and Stalin. The places that have reached communism are usually under anarchism, which is not liked by the west or MLs.

Also, how is the USSR communist? It is neither stateless or classless, and just being run by a communist party doesn’t make you communist, especially if you take no steps to transition from socialism to communism.

China isn’t even socialist anymore, it’s state capitalist, especially after reforms. It’s the same as people calling Cuba socialist, despite workers owning the means of production being illegal.

Being run by Marxist-Leninism doesn’t inherently make you communist. By that logic, every socialist country is communist because they are all under Marxist-Leninism.

And why hasn’t socialism or communism worked yet. To put it simply, it’s because Russia’s revolution failed.

The goal was to bring about a democratic socialist state, but infighting by the revolutionaries, and foreign countries trying to weaken the revolution, led to an authoritarian government taking form.

While this was bad, it did bring about mass industrialization, which poorer countries did like. It also caused richer countries profiting off poorer ones to have a much harder time exploiting the poorer countries.

So countries such as China, Cuba, Korea, and other places had a revolution to instate Marxist-Leninism.

But authoritarian countries are always shitshows politically, and these countries had less trading partners due to western countries not trading with them. Marx said communism could only work in rich countries because they already had the resources available (at least until the rich countries developed communism).

So basically, socialist countries fell to authoritarianism because that’s what the countries were aiming for.

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u/Sad_Body7575 Jun 21 '25

You're absolutely correct, actually. However, doesn't this just show how in nearly every example, countries end up taking a turn towards capitalism or are unable to achieve actual communism? Because to my knowledge a violent revolution must occur for the proletariats to overthrow the bourgeoisie, meaning that most nations that make a transition into communism (especially out of capitalism) are just going to find the same fate? It's honestly a question, because your argument is quite well put.

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