r/brass 14d ago

Help me figuiring this one out

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The guy who is selling it claims it is a F french horn by the brand amati.

Apparently, the name Amati regards to an old brass and woodwind crafters from the barouque period. So there are different companies using the same name now.

The main one is a Czech republic company, that also produces mellophones, which look a lot more like this instrument than a french horn.

I live in southern Brazil, so there’s no information, recordings or classified sales available around.

Any clues on its value, model, story etc?

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u/Finetales 14d ago

It is actually a French horn, single F. Piston valve French horns are rare, but do exist.

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u/HampsonHorns 14d ago

Here’s a 1925 C.A. Wunderlich catalog with this similar design horn. Single F horn with pistons. I own a variety of piston horns like this.

Horns with pistons were fairly common, mellophones are alto instruments and half the size of these.

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u/81Ranger 14d ago

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u/mango186282 14d ago

The Russian and Czech translated to French horn. Although one AI translator came up with forest horn.

If you know someone who reads Russian or Czech I linked the catalog pages in a comment above.

Edit. It is left handed which would be unusual for a mellophone.

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u/AccidentalGirlToy 14d ago

The German word for French horn is Waldhorn, which literally means "forest horn". I think I'm going to start calling them forest horns from now on.

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u/tsimneej 14d ago

Objectively better name

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u/81Ranger 14d ago

Good points. It's just hard for me to tell a difference visually between a those old circular mellophones and a single F or Eb horn.

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u/ramon0704 14d ago

That’s cool. Any clues on the model/crafting company?

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u/Finetales 14d ago

All down to what it says on the bell. It does look like an Amati (the Czech one) to me.

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u/mango186282 14d ago edited 14d ago

It’s Czech made by Amati. This is the Lignatone (Amati export brand) catalog, but they used the same model number when using the Amati name.

Model 219 French horn.

https://ia801708.us.archive.org/0/items/Lignatone1963catalog/Lignatone1963catalog_36.jpg

After WWII all Czech brass manufacturers were nationalized by the government under the Amati name. The region was full of small manufacturers dating back to the late 1800’s.

1970’s Amati catalog:

https://archive.org/details/AmatiKrasliceHorns/page/25/mode/1up?view=theater

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u/FFFortissimo 14d ago

It looks like the corhoorn (E-flat horn), but the valves are on the wrong side of the instrument.
So this is a horn which has to be played with the left hand.

Looking at the tubing I also think it's a F-horn.

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u/dumpypony 14d ago

Back in my day we called those peckhorns. We also wore onions on our belt.

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u/Barber_Successful 14d ago

Amati is a legitimate brand. Not sure if it's in B flat or E flat.

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u/AccidentalGirlToy 14d ago

The difference between French horns and other brasses is that their tubing is twice (F, Eb) or 1.5 times (Bb) the length of that of other brasses of the same pitch, as they use a different partial (4th or 3rd respectively) than the others (who use the 2nd) as their "home C".

So the Bb horn is as long as a tenor trombone, and the F horn is the same length as an F tuba.

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u/pareto_optimal99 14d ago

What do you plan on doing with it?

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u/ramon0704 14d ago

I’m trading it for a brazilian made pocket trumpet.

I don’t know much about brass instruments, i can barely play them actually (i play sax)

But i like having those odd instruments to trade eventually.

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u/Instantsoup44 14d ago

What company makes brass instruments in Brazil?

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u/ramon0704 14d ago

There’s a few.

Some of the guitar making companies also produce brass and woodwinds, but those can be very shitty.

The biggest and most traditional company, that produces just brass and woodwinds, is called Weril.

I have this pocket trumpet and a alto sax (wrong sub for this one haha), both from the 90s.

They manufacutred all ends of instruments, but most of them are very well-built and easy to find online.

Ebay is not that popular around here. So ir you’re interested in Brazilian instruments, i suggest looking in facebook marketplace or at a site called OLX (disatatchment-sales kind of site).

Dollar is worth about 6x our currency, so it can be pretty cheap to get those. Like, the instrument + import + taxes would be around 200-300 U$D for most line, middle-end instruments.

Most of those instruments were played by church and military musicians, so its more common to find them abandoned, rusty, dusty and lacking general care than actually beaten up by night gigs.

Hope it shines some light on Brazilian instruments!

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u/Instantsoup44 14d ago

Oooh right, I forgot about Weril.