r/btc • u/mallorie47 • Nov 14 '16

Updated version, with company endorcements of the "Statement from Members of the Bitcoin Community", $1MM snub against Bitcoin Core.

http://imgur.com/a/iv3m6
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u/MemoryDealers Roger Ver - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - Bitcoin.com Nov 14 '16

Because Samson Mow is bad news for the entire Bitcoin community and should be fired from BTCC for his actions on social media. Myself, and many other CEOs have told Bobby Lee this privately. It is baffling that Bobby would let such a person be the public face of his company. He is a true disgrace to the entire Bitcoin ecosystem.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

You should say the same to the CEO of Bitfury about Alex Petrov, in my opinion. Alex frequently tweets very dishonestly about the blocksize limit issue.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Yes, censorship free! Let's just get them fired for saying things we don't like!

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

His job is to do things that are good for Bitcoin. In my opinion he is doing things that are bad for Bitcoin. So he is not doing the job that he was hired to do. When a person is doing the opposite of what they were hired for, they should be fired, yes.

Alex Petrov acts and says things that are bad for the profits of both his direct employer Bitfury and bad for the profits of every Bitcoin ecosystem participant. We have argued with Alex Petrov publicly for over half a year and he keeps acting in the bad interest of Bitfury and Bitcoin as a whole, so I see no problem to ask his CEO to either order Alex to change his behavior or if he refuses, fire him.

If Alex would've been a bus driver, he is the kind of person who would not follow the designated bus route but instead drive randomly around the city refusing to pick up more than one passenger at a time. A bus driver like that should be fired simply because they're not doing what they were hired to do.

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u/S_Lowry Nov 14 '16

Are you a child? It's just your opinion. No-one should be fired because you happen to disagree with them. I think he is only doing what's good for bitcoin.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

In my opinion, yes, Alex should be fired because he is simply not doing his job. You think that Alex is doing things that are good for Bitcoin and therefore also good for his employer Bitfury, so of course you think that Alex is doing his job and should therefore not be fired. This disagreement does not make either you or me a child. It just makes you wrong.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

How delusional are you that you think the CEO should be fired for a company you have no ownership stake in.

Seriously, ya'll have gone bananas.

/u/memorydealers What the hell is wrong with you that you encourage this type of pitchfork mobbery

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

How delusional are you that you think the CEO should be fired for a company you have no ownership stake in.

Alex Petrov is not the CEO of Bitfury. He's the CIO.

Seriously, ya'll have gone bananas.

/u/memorydealers What the hell is wrong with you that you encourage this type of pitchfork mobbery

A person that is not doing their job should not keep that job. It's a simple thing really. Alex Petrov should be working with something else or just be unemployed. I actually am a basic income proponent so it's not like I'm trying to achieve that Alex should be starving or anything like that. It's just that he is as bad at his job as a blind taxi driver. They should simply work with something else or live on some type of social security due to their incompetence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Do you have a job or earn income?

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

What's your point?

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u/kebanease Nov 14 '16 edited Nov 14 '16

In another thread you were talking as the "official voice of big blockers and rbtc" now you talk like if you were an important shareholder in Bitfury?

You are so full of yourself... please stop and show a little bit more humility.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

In another thread you were talking as the "official voice of big blockers and rbtc" now you talk like if you were an important shareholder in Bitfury?

You are so full of yourself... please stop and show a little bit more humility.

I have never claimed that I'm a shareholder in Bitfury. That's all in your mind.

We are many early adopters who think the same way about the blocksize limit and Bitcoin governance debate and, yes, I claim that my opinions in these matters are shared by the majority of early adopters and big blockers. I'm either correct or wrong about that claim and I see no reason to express myself "humbly" about that claim.

All I'm claiming is that I'm convinced that the majority of Bitcoin early adopters think the same way as I do. There's nothing arrogant or humble about that. It's just what I think and I share what I think. You're free to disagree, just like you obviously already do.

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u/kebanease Nov 14 '16

I know you never said you were a stakeholder in Bitfury, but you are talking like one.

What gives you the right to ask this guy to be fired? Who are you to judge if he's doing a good job or not?

Maybe he's doing exactly the job he's asked to do.

You have no idea... so stop with the nonesense.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

I know you never said you were a stakeholder in Bitfury, but you are talking like one.

What gives you the right to ask this guy to be fired? Who are you to judge if he's doing a good job or not?

Maybe he's doing exactly the job he's asked to do.

You have no idea... so stop with the nonesense.

I have an opinion and I choose to voice it in this uncensored forum. Live with it.

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u/Internetworldpipe Nov 15 '16

Well guess what, apparently the CEO responsible for the economic investments in his company disagrees with you. Maybe you are the dumb one here?

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u/todu Nov 15 '16

Well guess what, apparently the CEO responsible for the economic investments in his company disagrees with you. Maybe you are the dumb one here?

Apparently he does. Not all companies make the most profitable decisions, and Bitfury is apparently one of those.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Tomislav, no one gives a shit about your opinion. His job is to do things good for his company, but Bitcoin. Just like all of the companies Roger backs with his money. None of these people speak for Bitcoin.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

Tomislav, no one gives a shit about your opinion. His job is to do things good for his company, but Bitcoin. Just like all of the companies Roger backs with his money. None of these people speak for Bitcoin.

I disagree. Everyone's opinion has an effect on the ecosystem, including mine. If Alex would be doing good things for Bitcoin, then his employer's company Bitfury would also benefit. When Alex does and says things that are bad for Bitcoin, then that has a negative effect on Bitfury as well.

I never claimed that Bitcoin has a company that acts as its official spokesperson, but the acts and public statements from a company like Bitfury do have an effect on Bitcoin, and as a direct consequence also an effect on the profitability of Bitfury itself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Have you seen the price lately? I think his company is benefiting just fine by rejecting every coup attempt by Roger and his band of idiots.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

Have you seen the price lately? I think his company is benefiting just fine by rejecting every coup attempt by Roger and his band of idiots.

Yes, I've been looking at the exchange rate since November 2013. Not impressed.

The only participant that can be accused of having made a coup of Bitcoin leadership is the coup from Blockstream when they successfully took control over the Bitcoin Core project. Roger Ver is just a person who is resisting that Blockstream coup and we original Bitcoin users and early adopters stand with Roger in this conflict.

As you can see by the number of subscribers of this subreddit we are 23 000 big blockers who agree with Roger Ver and his opinions on the blocksize limit and protocol development debate. The /r/bitcoin subreddit on the other hand has more subscribers but most of those subscribers don't have an opinion on this debate.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Yes, I've been looking at the exchange rate since November 2013. Not impressed.

Since the fake Gox pump when Roger pretended they were solvent?

The only participant that can be accused of having made a coup of Bitcoin leadership is the coup from Blockstream when they successfully took control over the Bitcoin Core project. Roger Ver is just a person who is resisting that Blockstream coup and we original Bitcoin users and early adopters stand with Roger in this conflict.

LOL

As you can see by the number of subscribers of this subreddit we are 23 000 big blockers who agree with Roger Ver and his opinions on the blocksize limit and protocol development debate.

Or there are 23,000 people who enjoy watching retards throw poo. Or 23,000 Roger Ver sockpuppets.

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u/midipoet Nov 14 '16

Seriously, are you mad? Do you think everyone of the 23000 subscribers here support Roger Ver/Big Blocks/BU??

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

Seriously, are you mad? Do you think everyone of the 23000 subscribers here support Roger Ver/Big Blocks/BU??

There's nothing "mad" about having that opinion. I was present when the Reddit Bitcoin community split into two. At first we big blockers who disagreed with Theymos when he started deleting our posts and comments on /r/bitcoin, unsubscribed from /r/bitcoin and moved to /r/bitcoinxt. Then in the middle of the mass migration Brian Armstrong tweeted that we should all join Roger Ver's /r/btc as our new home subreddit. There was an hour or two of confusion but then we decided to join and use /r/btc instead.

Before Theymos went full retard, there was basically no one subscribed to /r/btc. We are all here as a direct result of Theymos censoring and banning most of us big blockers in /r/bitcoin.

So, yes, I dare to say that 95 % of us 23 000 /r/btc subscribers are convinced big blockers and not at all neutral to the blocksize limit and protocol governance debate.

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u/dooglus Nov 15 '16

As you can see by the number of subscribers of this subreddit we are 23 000 big blockers who agree with Roger Ver and his opinions on the blocksize limit and protocol development debate

I subscribe to this subreddit but am not a big blocker and disagree with most of Roger's opinions on the blocksize limit.

I subscribe to keep an eye on what people here are saying. Mostly it's a waste of time, but it draws my eye like a train wreck.

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u/todu Nov 15 '16

As you can see by the number of subscribers of this subreddit we are 23 000 big blockers who agree with Roger Ver and his opinions on the blocksize limit and protocol development debate

I subscribe to this subreddit but am not a big blocker and disagree with most of Roger's opinions on the blocksize limit.

I subscribe to keep an eye on what people here are saying. Mostly it's a waste of time, but it draws my eye like a train wreck.

Every rule has an exception and you're just one of those few exceptions. Most of us 23 000 /r/btc subscribers do not share your opinions about Bitcoin politics.

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u/paoloaga Nov 15 '16

This is not a valid point, as you can't compare to how high would be the price if big blocks were already implemented long ago.

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u/aquahol Nov 14 '16

Using one's own free speech to speak out against something is not the same thing as censorship, dumbass.

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 14 '16

I know Theymos is not that popular on this subreddit, but just curious shouldn't it be considered his freedom of speech to censor his subreddit if he wants?

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u/highintensitycanada Nov 14 '16

Then why deny it? Why pretend he isn't doing what we can clearly see him doing?

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 14 '16

You inspired me to look up the definition of censorship. Here's what google said: the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts. "details of the visit were subject to military censorship". Based on this definition, I think what is lacking is the "official" part of it. Theymos has no more authority than any other subreddit admin. It's not like he's the military or anything. I mean if you don't like it you can go here (or bitcoin.com). So, I don't really think it's a correct use of the word actually as it's usually associated with a government intervention.

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u/shmazzled Nov 15 '16

That's quite the distortion. Congratulations.

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 15 '16

Care to explain how it's a distortion?

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u/shmazzled Nov 15 '16

see the other guys explanation since you can't seem to comprehend.

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u/lon102guy Nov 15 '16

In the document it says only private communities should be respected to be run as they see fit (including censorship). /r/Bitcoin is not private community to discuss Core implementation only, people are misinformed there because /r/Bitcoin defines itself as a discussion about Bitcoin, no mention it is censored for non Core implementation discussion or views, thus does not represent unbiased view about Bitcoin.

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 15 '16

Can you provide the contract that Theymos signed where he agreed to the document you mention?

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u/lon102guy Nov 15 '16 edited Nov 15 '16

I did not talk about theymos - he can do whatever he wants. But people who agree with the document should avoid such censored places if they really agree with the text - because /r/Bitcoin does not follow the faith of the document now.

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 15 '16

First of all as I pointed out in another post, what Theymos is doing is not really considered censorship because he's not doing it under any sort of "official" capacity, but having said that why shouldn't people participate anywhere that there is some form of what you're calling censorship? The mainstream media has many things that they don't allow you to talk about, but wouldn't it make sense to talk in the mainstream media if you can do so? They have the most viewers.

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u/lon102guy Nov 15 '16

but having said that why shouldn't people participate anywhere that there is some form of what you're calling censorship?

Because if you participate at censored places then you either agree or dont care about the censorship, violating one of the points of the document. Everybody is free to choose what to do, some dont agree with the document and going to continue participate at censored places.

About the /r/Bitcoin doubt of censorship and calling it a moderation instead. You can check the deleted posts there, unsurprisingly these often mentions different Bitcoin implementations or their technical solutions, but interpreted by theymos as not belonging to Bitcoin discussion, aka censorship.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Both are means to try to silence someone.

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u/Adrian-X Nov 14 '16

one expects a level of conduct from a representative of a larger company.

When that Representative says "go fuck you mother" while arguing in position to larger blocks on the bitcoin blockchain as the the public representative.

it is not censorship to call for his resignation it's abuse of his position and asking to remove him will improve the level of discussion. Samson can always continue to say fuck your mother to everyone who supports larger blocks in his personal capacity uncensored.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

When that Representative says "go fuck you mother" while arguing in position to larger blocks on the bitcoin blockchain as the the public representative.

Are you talking about Jihan? You confusing your Chinamen?

https://twitter.com/jihanwu/status/731902686379933697

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u/shmazzled Nov 15 '16

Are you talking about Jihan? You confusing your Chinamen?

nice to see you revealing your true colors, asshole. you have no shame, racist.

aren't you Greg?

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '16

I was mocking Adrian who clearly can't tell Asians apart.

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u/shmazzled Nov 15 '16

here's the problem; you small blockists don't even realize how ignorant you are.

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u/manginahunter Nov 15 '16

Oh shit, Jihan losing his mind !

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u/BiggerBlocksPlease Nov 14 '16

If you are so concerned with silencing people, one would think you'd do something about r/bitcoin

But instead you just complain here. This shows the false genuineness of your posts.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

I'm far more concerned with trying to silence someone across the board than silencing someone on private property.

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u/BiggerBlocksPlease Nov 14 '16

But you have a double standard. Have you done anything at all about /r/bitcoin ? Or nothing at all there? It's hypocritical if not.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

How do I have a double standard? How is someone trying to get someone fired on the same grounds as deleting shitty posts on private property?

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u/AnonymousRev Nov 14 '16 edited Nov 14 '16

maybe we just want to hear Mow unfiltered. So if he got fired we could hear even more of him.

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u/nicebtc Nov 14 '16

Samson's tweets are intentionally provocative. His goal is to get attention and to divide the bitcoin community more than it is now. I don't think we have the right to ask his boss to fire him, but the community should ignore him and denounce his toxic behavior.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

You vastly misunderstand the intention.

Here's an example of how his style can disarm bad actors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stetson_Kennedy

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u/nicebtc Nov 14 '16

So what is the intention? Can you summarize in two or three words, thanks.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

I can't speak for him, but mockery is a very effective way to discredit bad ideas.

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u/nicebtc Nov 14 '16

Sure you can't speak for him but at least you have your own opinion. I am not convinced yet about Samson, but I know that John Blocke uses mockery, irony and yes it is powerful to show the truth.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

John Blocke's images were pretty funny. Then he tried to be all serious and is pretty much a dud since then.

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u/nopara73 Nov 14 '16

They are not Rogerverified.

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u/the_bob Nov 14 '16

/u/todu, I think your bald head has soaked up too much solar radiation and your frontal lobe has mutated. You are the biggest r/btc shill of them all. I think you should be fired. I am contacting your employer (Roger Ver) now.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

Lol.

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u/the_bob Nov 15 '16

What's funny is that, if Roger tried to apply and interview for a job 90% of us have, he would probably be denied because he is a felon.

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u/todu Nov 15 '16

What's funny is that, if Roger tried to apply and interview for a job 90% of us have, he would probably be denied because he is a felon.

What's he a convicted felon for? Is it the "selling illegal explosives" story you're talking about? He didn't do that. All he did was to sell fireworks and that happened to be illegal to ship through the ordinary mail for some reason. I don't think that sending packages of fireworks through the postal service should be illegal, so yes if I were an employer then I would gladly hire Roger Ver "the felon". The risk of exploding packages is greatly exaggerated in my opinion. Just don't set his packages on fire and you'll be fine.

In my opinion he did the equivalent crime of file-sharing a movie. Also something I don't agree should be illegal and something I would not hold against a "copyright felon" if there is such a thing.

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u/the_bob Nov 15 '16 edited Nov 15 '16

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is announcing today that Max 2000 Inc., of Stanton, Mo., and company officials Thomas and Mary Scaman, have agreed to stop manufacturing and selling an illegal agricultural firecracker that was widely available to consumers. Max 2000 made and sold over one million ""Pest Control Report 2000"" (PCR 2000) firecrackers that each contained nearly 1,000 milligrams of explosive powder, which is far in excess of the legal limit for consumer firecrackers. These firecrackers, if used by consumers, could cause serious injuries or death.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2003/Missouri-Company-Ordered-To-Stop-Manufacturing-and-Selling-Illegal-Fireworks/

You're really doing mental gymnastics /u/todu. Again, you should get your shiny dome checked out. I'll be sure to call your employer to let them know you are acting stupid on the internet.

To quote another redditor:

This. I don't have a problem if this guy sells explosives. In don't care about the people that blow themselves up using the explosives.

I do care that they surreptitiously shipped them around, endangering many other unaffiliated persons.

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u/todu Nov 15 '16

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is announcing today that Max 2000 Inc., of Stanton, Mo., and company officials Thomas and Mary Scaman, have agreed to stop manufacturing and selling an illegal agricultural firecracker that was widely available to consumers. Max 2000 made and sold over one million ""Pest Control Report 2000"" (PCR 2000) firecrackers that each contained nearly 1,000 milligrams of explosive powder, which is far in excess of the legal limit for consumer firecrackers. These firecrackers, if used by consumers, could cause serious injuries or death.

If you buy one kilogram of head ache pills and have them delivered to you by the postal service, you as a consumer "could get seriously injured or even die" if you don't eat them in the recommended way. The same thing applies to fireworks. Don't buy and play with 1 kg fireworks if you don't know what you're doing. And if you do it anyway, well then that's just a part of evolution. Not everyone lives. Don't jail the manufacturer and reseller. At least the morons will have died a quick and painless death.

With that said, maybe such large fireworks should be viewed as a type of weapon, because they could probably be rebuilt by religious morons into bombs. And I've recently changed my opinion about making it legal to own guns and rifles.

I used to argue that everyone should be allowed to buy guns without a license like it is in the USA, but there seems to be so many religious people in the world that kill us atheists for not believing in the same ignorant things as they do. They kill people for being gay or drawing funny cartoons. That's just insane. So for that reason, I nowadays argue that buying guns without a good reason should be illegal even if that means that I also will not be allowed to buy one.

On the third hand, an idiot that wants to rebuild fireworks into bombs doesn't have to buy a firework that contains 1 kg of explosive material. They can just as easily buy two 0.5 kg fireworks and rebuild those into a 1 kg bomb. So where should we draw the line? 100 grams? I don't know. I didn't study philosophy in school so I'll let other people wrestle with that problem. In the meantime, I would not think that Roger Ver was a bad person for selling 1 kg fireworks and shipping them through the postal service.

So yes, I would definitely hire him even though he's a convicted felon for having sold such fireworks. In my view, he just disagreed and broke a law that I'm not convinced myself is just. So me personally, I would not hold that conviction against him.

Also, maybe such deadly fireworks should not be allowed to be sold to adults for the same reason they should not be sold to children. The reason is that allowing such sales could be viewed as a kind of death penalty for stupid people. Do you deserve to die just because you're stupid? Maybe not, and therefore we should maybe not allow the sale of such deadly fireworks to anyone. Just think about who the most likely customer is: "Oh, cool! A firework that's a whole kilogram! Quick, buy it before someone else buys it!". Maybe 90 % of the people who will press the buy button are precisely the kind of people who most certainly should not play with such dangerous toys. Most average adults would probably not press the buy button even if they would be allowed to, thinking "Cool, but it just doesn't seem safe, I'd better not buy that.".

Anyways, I'm not convinced which opinion is the right here. Maybe we as a society should allow the sale of such fireworks or maybe we should not. The fact that Roger Ver decided he had an opinion on the matter and decided to act in accordance with his opinion, is not something that would stop me from hiring him if he would be looking for a job. I would maybe be a bit hesitant to employ him as a babysitter for my children if I had any, but that's about it. I'd trust him to do practically any other type of job.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2003/Missouri-Company-Ordered-To-Stop-Manufacturing-and-Selling-Illegal-Fireworks/

You're really doing mental gymnastics /u/todu. Again, you should get your shiny dome checked out. I'll be sure to call your employer to let them know you are acting stupid on the internet.

I'm self employed but I promise to have a stern talk with myself.

Thanks for sharing details about the event. However, fireworks will not explode by themselves. And how else are they supposed to be transported if not by the postal service? (Serious question). Roger Ver probably just didn't pay and have a license.

To quote another redditor:

This. I don't have a problem if this guy sells explosives. In don't care about the people that blow themselves up using the explosives.

I do care that they surreptitiously shipped them around, endangering many other unaffiliated persons.

Fireworks don't explode by themselves. He didn't sell nitroglycerin. I would agree that nitroglycerin should definitely not be allowed to be sold and transported through the ordinary postal service. Even heavy explosives such as dynamite are perfectly safe to transport by mail. They won't explode if you drop them even if they break. That's part of the reason the dude who invented it got a Nobel prize for the very useful invention.

They need fire to explode and if your postal warehouse burns in a fire for a different reason, then a few kilograms of fireworks won't make any significant difference anyway. The most dangerous thing nowadays is that walls, floors and ceilings are built with a lot of plastic materials (at least that's what I was told when I attended a 1 hour long fire extinguishing course). They tend to very quickly generate a lot of black smoke that actually will explode after just a minute or three once the gas has become hot enough. Ask a fireman and they can explain. So any fire will very quickly cause a firery explosion anyway. I think that sentencing him was exaggerated. A fine would've been fine.

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u/the_bob Nov 16 '16

Sorry /u/todu, but you're incredibly full of shit and it is pretty clear you would try to argue that Hitler was a nice guy if it benefited you. Smh.

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u/todu Nov 16 '16

Sorry /u/todu, but you're incredibly full of shit and it is pretty clear you would try to argue that Hitler was a nice guy if it benefited you. Smh.

Most people are not entirely good or entirely bad. I happen to think that Roger Ver is mostly good even though you're trying to paint him as a simple felon. Coincidentally Hitler is said to have been a good painter, so I guess you have that in common. You should try to use some more colors though because the world isn't as black and white as you see it.

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u/RoadStress Nov 14 '16

300k BTC can't make that happen!

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u/Blocksteamer Nov 14 '16

So glad to see you write this. Samson Mow has taken great joy in dividing the community as much as he can. His position at BTCC should be title "Chief Trolling Officer" in charge of Bitcoin community destroying affairs.He doesn't contribute anything, he just trolls and trolls. He causes nothing but damage to bitcoin.

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u/luke-jr Luke Dashjr - Bitcoin Core Developer Nov 15 '16

So what's your excuse for leaving me (as well as the entire existing Bitcoin dev team, I think) out of it?

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u/Suonkim Nov 14 '16

This is so fucked up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

And you should leave the bitcoin community for getting people to loose millions in bitcoin. Remember the mtgox video? That shit was about to go down, and you telling people to keep depositing, it was all fine.

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u/MemoryDealers Roger Ver - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - Bitcoin.com Nov 15 '16

Is your listening comprehension really that bad? Listen again and tell me, what part of the video wasn't true? (Hint: all of it was factually correct, even with everything we know today)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '16

Thats why after that major video fuckup, telling people it was all banking problems, you made a "im very sorry video" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIJ_jpmwzo

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

If it weren't for Samson, I'd have no clue about BTCC. He's the best thing for them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16 edited Nov 14 '16

But he is not politically correct. Thats what Roger needs. Roger needs a safe space and a set of rules for how to behave, and political correctness is it. Because what it boils down to is that Roger is stupid. Samson Mow will run circles around Roger Ver any day. Roger Ver is just a liberal.

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u/llortoftrolls Nov 15 '16

Your desperation is showing Roger. You're about to get wrecked.

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u/kebanease Nov 14 '16

You really think you are entitled to everything here. People should get fired simply because Roger Ver want's it?

Let his boss make his own decisions.

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u/-Hayo- Nov 14 '16

Yea, let’s fire people that don’t agree with almighty Roger Ver....

Bloody Americans.

You vouch for free speech, but apparently you only want to hear people that are at your side.

What Bitcoin needs, is us standing united. I think everyone can agree that what you are currently doing is dividing people even more.

I have sympathy for a blocklimit increase and I admire your passion. But you need to stop the personal attacks and constant conspiracy theories. It brings us nowhere.

Currently, it is you Mr. Ver, that is a disgrace to Bitcoin.

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u/mallorie47 Nov 14 '16

It is baffling you complain about censorship and you actually want to censor Samson's free speech. You allow people to run amuck with outright lies in this forum, yet, Samson makes some humor out of your zealous stupidity and you want to cut out his tongue. You're classy Roger, very very classy.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

It is baffling you complain about censorship and you actually want to censor Samson's free speech.

No, Samson Mow is incompetent at his job and should be fired for incompetence and the economic harm his incompetence is causing his employer and to the Bitcoin ecosystem as well (His employer is financially harmed if Bitcoin is financially harmed.). Samson Mow is welcome to write whatever nonsense he wants to write in /r/btc both as a BTCC employee and as a private person and his comments will not get deleted here. There is and will be no censorship in Roger Ver-controlled forums, even for intentionally dishonest people like Samson Mow.

Getting fired for being unprofessional and incompetent is a separate issue from getting censored. They are not one and the same.

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u/dj50tonhamster Nov 14 '16

the economic harm his incompetence is causing his employer

I'm pretty sure said employer is in a better position to know how much economic damage is being done by their employees than some random people crying on Reddit. :) It doesn't help when the crybabies are so obsessed with Greg Maxwell that they're convinced he's attending conferences that he didn't actually attend.

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

the economic harm his incompetence is causing his employer

I'm pretty sure said employer is in a better position to know how much economic damage is being done by their employees than some random people crying on Reddit. :) It doesn't help when the crybabies are so obsessed with Greg Maxwell that they're convinced he's attending conferences that he didn't actually attend.

If his employer disagrees that Samson Mow is causing them financial harm, then they will not fire him. It's as simple as that.

I still claim that the voice heard in the audience mentioned in that Reddit thread you linked to, is the voice of Gregory Maxwell. He was not visible on camera so I can't claim it with absolute certainty, but it's still my opinion that it was him.

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u/dj50tonhamster Nov 14 '16

If his employer disagrees that Samson Mow is causing them financial harm, then they will not fire him. It's as simple as that.

Newsflash: The sun rises to the east and sets to the west. Why does any of this need to be brought up? Oh, right, a tiny handful of people on Reddit are demanding that Bobby Lee fire the guy, as if they have some sort of magical knowledge that Bobby doesn't.

I still claim that the voice heard in the audience mentioned in that Reddit thread you linked to, is the voice of Gregory Maxwell. He was not visible on camera so I can't claim it with absolute certainty, but it's still my opinion that it was him.

I'm still convinced Christina Hendricks is madly in love with me and just doesn't have my phone number or email address. In my case, I'm just loony. :) In your case, as we're gone over repeatedly, multiple people who were there said Greg wasn't there, and I told you that I know who asked that question. I won't say who, other than to say that you're going to have to hit up YouTube and watch some more presentations. If you want to be delusional, that's your problem. :)

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u/todu Nov 14 '16

I'm no voice analyzer expert (if such a thing even exists), but it sounded very much like Greg to me so I think it was him in that audience. If you're implying that I have some kind of crush on Greg, then no I don't. He's just one of my political adversaries when it comes to Bitcoin. Nothing more nothing less.

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u/dj50tonhamster Nov 14 '16

I'm no voice analyzer expert (if such a thing even exists)

I know using Google is difficult. This handy, dandy site will assist you. :)

but it sounded very much like Greg to me so I think it was him in that audience.

Suit yourself. Just don't be surprised when people outside this dumpster fire of a sub refuse to take you seriously. :)

If you're implying that I have some kind of crush on Greg, then no I don't.

You kinda do, man, along with several other people around here. Only presidents and prime ministers have their every move scrutinized like Greg does here. Alex Jones would be proud of this sub, at least when he's not busy cutting wrestling promos. :)

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u/nopara73 Nov 14 '16

The champion of free speech has spoken. Silence those who have different opinion by any means.

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u/the_bob Nov 14 '16

Convict, barred from the US for tax evasion, is calling for firing someone from their legitimate job. Get the fuck out of here. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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u/MemoryDealers Roger Ver - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - Bitcoin.com Nov 14 '16

  1. I'm not barred from the USA.

  2. I've never had a single tax problem ever. (Despite being audited more times than I can count)

  3. That makes your post a complete lie.

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u/futilerebel Nov 15 '16

I respectfully disagree. Samson Mow has bitcoin's best interests at heart, the same as you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

YOU are bad news for the Bitcoin community AND a disgrace!

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u/pb1x Nov 14 '16

Another example of Roger Ver trying to shut people up who have different views from his own.

There's an implicit threat here from Mr Ver that if you don't echo his views and you work at any company where he can buy influence, he will work to ruin you

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u/pb1x Nov 14 '16

Poisonous == does not agree with Roger Ver

I don't see him calling for anyone he agrees with to be fired

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u/PotatoBadger Nov 14 '16

And who should those people be?

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u/dskloet Nov 14 '16

Don't feed.

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u/pb1x Nov 14 '16

Since he's against censorship he should ask for Brian Armstrong to be fired: Brian tried to get someone banned from Reddit

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u/PotatoBadger Nov 14 '16

"someone"?

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u/cpgilliard78 Nov 14 '16

Brian asked the CEO of Reddit to ban Theymos. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fe6HbNdbrA

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u/pb1x Nov 14 '16

Someone whose opinion he disagrees with and wants to silence

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u/[deleted] Nov 14 '16

Roger Ver isnt very smart. When he opens his mouth people just laugh. Thats why he doesent do it. Look at his twitter every time he says something. Its hilarious.

Also talk about poison? Your tone is not helping

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u/MemoryDealers Roger Ver - Bitcoin Entrepreneur - Bitcoin.com Nov 14 '16

Roger Ver isnt very smart.

Just imagine how much I could accomplish in life if I was smart.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '16

You may just be one of the most conceited persons I've never met. This comment and the constant "I'm a millionaire!" "I was the first!" yada yada. Why do you feel the need to constantly toot your own horn? As I've said before, you are living in the past and Bitcoin doesn't need you anymore. You are not respected like you maybe used to be. Just look at your Twitter feed ffs. You're a laughingstock.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '16

What have you accomplished? Everything you do in bitcoin boils down to you spending money. Wether its bitcoin.com - bought and paid for. views on youtube, bought and paid for. miners for your pool. bought and paid for. how did you end up thinking you should lead the bitcoin network of all things? and dont you see that you have already failed ? So my question is, imagine what bitcoin would have accomplished and what could it accomplish if you werent being a distraction?

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u/Aviathor Nov 15 '16

The only thing that you accomplished was buying a lot bitcoin early.

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u/apoefjmqdsfls Nov 14 '16

It's you who is the biggest disgrace for the entire bitcoin ecosystem. I hope you lose all your money in the shitcoins you invested.

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u/Illesac Nov 14 '16

That's what we say about you too.

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u/Hernzzzz Nov 14 '16

Wow, it's obvious when the walls start to crumble.

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u/icoscam Nov 14 '16

Gongrats! You just described yourself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 15 '16

Bro how does it feel to be a shill?