poor guys. I don't think they're terrible people at heart. they just feel left out. they didn't respond to their situation properly but they're deserving of their own space and friends too. they need to stop with the hate/rape women thing though. it just must be really tough being over weight and picked on their entire lives.
They talked a lot and they were hateful but these aren't the guys raping women or groping them in subways. These guys are just mad about being left out, and so they become "edgy". But 90% of these guys wouldn't have the heart to actually act out their hate. And if you gave them the opportunity to be nice and have a happy life, they would be totally okay.
Sure. In the pantheon of attackers like the Texas guy or the one who killed his parents, they belong to the set of groups adjacent to incels but incels are upset at the women they are scared to approach and if one does act out on that hate, then he's one in 10,000 (or whatever the number may be - the one guy who comes to mind is the guy who catfished his tinder date; not exactly a predator), and if incels didn't exist he would belong to the atheist or the alex jones crowd and would have done it anyway. Blaming incels for being upset about their miserable lives is having no compassion for victims of this miserable world.
So the atheist guy who gunned down twenty something parishioners gets a pass because his cause doesn't always promote violence. I know Sam Harris promotes violence against Muslims. Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he called for the bombing of Muslim states, etc? And it's not my point to point fingers but some of the atheist crowd are equally hateful and violent as are the T_D crowd and the alt right and there's a lot of cross over between all of them and that includes r/incels. Yes, the catfished girl had every right to be afraid but again, that's one guy out of many who belong to more than one group than just incels and out of all those groups, incels, T_D, the alt right, the Sam Harris, the Pony-bros (lol). All of those guys belong to the same groups, and my point is incels are not the worst.
Yeah, I'm not arguing that the sub should stay or that their conversations are okay to have or think, or even that those kinds of groups don't lead to bad outcomes. I just don't think these guys who said those things are capable of carrying out violence against women. It was a lot of talk and it's good they're not doing that anymore but virgin neckbeards are not out there doing the things they darkly fantasized about, and I don't think they're capable of it either.
Furthermore, if given the opportunity to be nice, content individuals, 90% of them would jump on that without hesitation.
Did you not google elliot rodgers? He was that subs ultimate hero. You say they couldn't or wouldn't carry out the violence they preach, but you're wrong.
Those guys don't need your charitable assessment. They need therapy.
I know who Elliot Rodgers was. (He's dead, right?). But he's one person. And he was a rich, entitled person with means and whatever baggage he was carrying. He's not representative of the character of the rest of the incels. If he was, there'd be more incidents like his. Pointing to Rodgers as somehow the actual paragon rather than the imaginary paragon of the incels isn't correct.
They need therapy. They need a moment of self realization. They need to be understood. They don't need more bullying, though. That's part of the reason they're like that in the first place.
I just don't think these guys who said those things are capable of carrying out violence against women
What on earth gives you this confidence? Guys over there encouraging others to kill themselves, to castrate their roommates, to rape their brother's underage girlfriend, and guys straight up saying they want to molest their cousin, or have already assaulted someone when they passed out, and you just... don't think they have it in them? Like, I'm sorry if it's totally un-empathetic of me to take a hate-filled stranger more at their word than blind faith in them, but lets just be realistic here. I'm willing to bet the kind of abuse they inflict on others isn't as flamboyant as a mass-murder of strangers. It's probably to people they know, and people who have at some point been vulnerable in their presence or care, and therefore are a lot less likely to come forward about it.
I find it completely bizarre that you can be exposed to their rhetoric and come away with 'they wouldn't ever actually hurt anyone'. I'm just earnestly curious where you're getting that impression from.
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u/freejosephk Nov 07 '17
poor guys. I don't think they're terrible people at heart. they just feel left out. they didn't respond to their situation properly but they're deserving of their own space and friends too. they need to stop with the hate/rape women thing though. it just must be really tough being over weight and picked on their entire lives.