A mass shooter being trans has no more to do with why they committed the mass shooting than their height or shoe size. Taking that incident as reason be suspicious of trans people generally would be akin to being suspicious of anyone who’s 6’6 because there was a mass shooter who was 6’6.
But if you just can’t get past this way of thinking, I’d ask: what’s your take on how this is the exception and the overwhelming majority of mass shooters are cis white men?
You are projecting. My point in asking your take on the trans shooter massacring kids in a Christian elementary school is to bring attention to the logic in your previous comment.
You can’t have it one way and not the other. If the cis white male shoots up a gay club and is therefore targeted against gays (I agree with you), then a trans kid shooting up a Christian elementary school is targeted against Christians. Both are targeted. Both are wrong.
If you think that shooting a gay club is targeted, but the Christian school is just “a mass shooter who happens to be trans” then your thinking is inconsistent and I hope you are able to recognize that.
Being trans isn't an ideology any more than being cis is. Rightwing beliefs that gay/trans are bad (and at the extreme end, that they shouldn't exist) are ideology. I hope you can see how inconsistent it is to compare these two as though they are both ideologies.
The reason I know the gay club shootings are often targeted is because the shooters usually make it very clear that they hate gay people on social media or by some other means.
As for the specific case of the Nashville shooting, they still don't know the motive. So I also hope you can see how you are making assumptions based on no evidence to say they targeted a Christian school specifically because they were targeting Christians. Is it possible a trans person could resent Christians due to so many Christians citing their religion as a reason for their hatred of lgbt+ people, wanting to pass legislation that take away their rights? Sure. But it still wouldn't be because they were trans. A cis person could hate the church for the exact same reason on behalf of trans people. Do you also see the flaw in your thinking there that being trans is somehow a crucial part in that shooting, even in the hypothetical scenario where they intentionally targeted Christians?
I can see your points, so thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts. Unfortunately, I do also see you making excuses or affording benefit of the doubt for the Trans shooter despite it being no less atrocious than a gay club shooting.
Admitting we don't know the motive in the Nashville shooting isn't giving them the benefit of the doubt. The investigators literally have not found a motive yet. You assuming you do know the motive is the only assumption being made between us. I even offered that your assumption may turn out to be correct, and showed that it still wouldn't implicate trans people in any general way since a cis person could've committed the same crime with the same anti-Christian motive.
The hysteria in conservative media about "trans terrorism" following that shooting was clearly just seizing an opportunity to further stoke fear and hatred against trans people, so it's hard to take any discussion about any of this as one made in good faith and not just made to further muddy the waters with the implication that since a trans person committed a mass shooting, that means something bad about trans people generally.
To clarify my position: You are right that there is no publicized motive yet for the Nashville shooting (although I do have suspicions about the unreleased manifesto of the shooter). I am not trying to convey that I’m assuming a motive so apologies if that’s how I’m coming across. I certainly do not agree with the “trans terrorism” narrative and I believe that this is simply one bad actor that does not reflect the whole of the lgbt community (obviously), just as you do not believe the gay club shooters reflect most conservatives.
I am sure we could keep going all day, but I think that our back and forth has answered the questions I had in my mind (which prompted my first reply to you; asking for your take on the Nashville shooting) and was pleasantly civil. I appreciate and thank you for the time and effort you put into your replies.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '23
What’s your take on the trans kid shooting up an elementary school?