r/dankmemes • u/aaaghhhhh420 • Dec 30 '23
Depression makes the memes funnier U.S. anti-asian hate crimes
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u/Temporary_Mood_5999 Dec 30 '23
as a non USA citizen may I ask what's the issue whit Asians?
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u/Shu_Ouma_2077 Dec 30 '23
During the covid pandemic, a lot of racists blamed Asians for it.
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u/Temporary_Mood_5999 Dec 30 '23
I see...thanks for answering my question
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u/Jerrytheone Dec 31 '23
And, going back further in American history, yeah, not the friendliest towards Asians (Chinese exclusionary act, Japanese concentration camps, Transcontinental railroad …)
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Dec 30 '23
Is "Asian" here indeed Asian or just "Chinese looking"? Indians, Vietnamese or Koreans are also Asians
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u/Key_Preparation_4129 Dec 30 '23
Just East Asian looking ones. I literally got into a heated argument with someone bc they kept denying the middle east and India was part of Asia bc "they don't look Asian so they can't be Asian"
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u/musclecard54 Dec 30 '23
Oh shit I know to stay far the fuck away from those types of arguments and people. Can’t reason with people like that
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u/Shu_Ouma_2077 Dec 30 '23
Anyone from the continent of Asia is Asian. Racists don't care about the differences. They just need an excuse to be racist.
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u/kunseung Dec 30 '23
Yep, during pandemic had a person follow me around in a pickup truck shouting "Chinese Virus" when I'm not even Chinese lol
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u/Jupiter_Tank57 Dec 30 '23
Genuine question - how are Russians classified in that? I'm assuming some sort of European because they're generally white but geographically they're Asian.
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u/haleloop963 Dec 30 '23
You are right, but Russia, despite being mostly in Asia, is considered more European than Asian. No Russian will say they're Asian unless they are from a Siberian folk group.
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u/PizzaWarlock Dec 31 '23
Well no, Russians will say they are Asian if they are from Asia. It just doesn't happen often because 80% of Russians live in what is considered Europe.
Also the European Russians are relatively overrepresented as the Asian folk are usually poorer and don't get to travel as much, so you are less likely to meet them.
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u/screwnazeem Dec 31 '23
Well no, because Russia doesn't separate Europe and Asia as continents. They teach that russia is from eurasia. Therefore almost all ethnic Russians would call themselves eurasian - at least in Russia, because most of the west wouldn't know or understand this, those living abroad would likely adopt the separate Europe and Asia.
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u/Lavadonuts Dec 30 '23
I believe they are generally referred to as "eurasian" but I believe most Russians are European in ancestry (or Slavic, I'm aware of there being differences, but not of the specifics) there are also several indigenous ethnic groups in Russia that could be reliably denoted by Asian and European (and/or Slavic)
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u/PizzaWarlock Dec 31 '23
Also 80% of Russians live west of the Urals, which is the border that divides Europe and Asia, so 80% of Russians live in Europe, and would therefore consider themselves European.
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u/SoxsLP Dec 30 '23
Do you think a racist can tell the differance? xD
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I think a "Asian-racist" does not know that Asia is more than East Asia
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u/SoxsLP Dec 30 '23
Well from what I've seen on the internet on how racists act (take with a grain of salt) racist can't tell the difference, except for indians. (They think indians are not asian yeah lol) Edit: I should mention from the groups ypu named in your comments... there are definitly more they don't think are asian.
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u/Varun77777 Vegemite Victim 🦘🦖 Dec 30 '23
Well they probably can't differentiate much between south Asians, Arabs and middle eastern people in general. Probably would assume Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Indians and Thai etc to be Indians.
Or would consider the Indians from the northern part and Pakistanis to be middle eastern or Arabic.
But it's probably not just how racists act, it's also how people get represented in pop culture and media which leads to a particular image for any group of people. It's not like the average kid in the west studies the geography and history of the whole world.
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u/SoxsLP Dec 31 '23
Yeah and they also can't wrap their head around the fact, that an asian looking person can be american or german or whatever xD
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u/StolenValourSlayer69 Dec 30 '23
And China used it as a way to deflect any kind of criticism of their complete lack of warning the world, and to deflect attention away from criticisms of their crackdown on Hong Kong
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u/JarasM Dec 31 '23
Is this like the meme with two buttons, the bigot not being able to decide if COVID is the fault of a random Chinese-looking person on the street, or if COVID is a scam that doesn't exist?
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u/Levols Dec 30 '23
They hate them because they are a very successful group... Just like any other successful group, and usually they are hated by the least successful groups
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u/daaangerz0ne Dec 30 '23
There's another specific group that targets Asians because they're less likely to fight back.
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u/UpwardStatue794 Dec 30 '23
Not just in the US, all of the pacific and southern parts of asia china is seen as an aggressor towards most of there countries. Including Australia.
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u/louwyatt Dec 30 '23
When it comes to America, the answer is almost always racism. If you ask where that racism came from, the group will blame other racists, and then those racist will blame other racist.
The reality is that every ethnic group in America has a loud minority of racist people. The problem keeps getting worse because the majority of each ethic group won't call out racism from their own ethnic group
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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Dec 31 '23
I don't know, but according to this meme, Obama was racist af toward them for a couple years.
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Dec 30 '23
I wonder what group is responsible for most anti-asian hate crimes?
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u/SpicyPotato1515 Dec 30 '23
So that we can perform hate crimes against that group.
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Dec 30 '23
How about raise awareness in these groups?
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u/4dimensionaltoaster Dec 31 '23
We can throw brick through their windows with notes attached, informing them about the importance of love and tolerance.
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u/The_Hiders Dec 30 '23
“Most violent attacks against individuals of a particular racial group are committed by other members of that group—expect for Asians, where a plurality is committed by blacks. In fact, blacks are responsible for 305 percent more violent crime against Asians than neighbourhood demographics would predict, while whites and Hispanics commit significantly fewer attacks against Asians than would be expected.” -Diane Yap, / City JournalThe Hate-Crime Distraction
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u/pwn3dbyth3n00b Dec 30 '23
You can't say that because that will make you racist.
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u/Gordon-Bennet Dec 30 '23
Depends on the context by which you’re bringing it up, I’ve got a feeling op isn’t mentioning it so people can have a serious discussion.
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Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23
Much like calling for the genocide of Jews, mentioning which group is attacking another one is only acceptable in certain contexts. There are no double standards when discussing racial issues.
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u/Tradovid Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23
Your article has one link and unless I missed something it lumps everyone who is not white in the same bucket. White people commit less crime on asians than their population share, so someone makes up for it.
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redditors dont do stats good. nobody here has ever taken a statistics course or learned critical thinking
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u/louwyatt Dec 30 '23
It's not that people don't understand statistics. It's that showing an understanding of statistics wouldn't benefit their point.
That's the fundamental issue with a victim mentality. You will look for statistics that fit your narrative, not the actual facts.
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u/MrSobe Dec 31 '23
This is extremely flawed. I read the actual review that was linked in this article and one paragraph stood out to me.
"Systematic analysis of media reports of contemporary anti-Asian incidents by the University of Michigan Virulent Hate Project shows that the majority of perpetrators are identified as male and white in upwards of 75% of news stories when the perpetrator’s race is known in physical or verbal assaults/harassment. "
The data set that was used is not government records or published crime statistics, but media coverage. It's no secret that news media bends itself into pretzels to avoid staying the race of perpetrators if they consider doing so to be harmful to "marginalized communities." It is the exact opposite with white perpetrators, to the point that it is often in the headline.
This article just seems circular and dishonest to me. This media company is making the case for a certain ideological perspective, using a paper that only uses their own reporting as the data set. That is not scientific or academically sound. The data set is going to be irredeemably biased in that direction from the start. That is like saying, "we did a comprehensive study on the cause of all the worlds problems we found that it is actually the Jews." Only to hide in a single paragraph on page 20 that the only people you talked to were Neo Nazis. This is an absolute joke.
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u/SalvationSycamore Dec 30 '23
The baseline for anti-Asian hate crimes and incidents has been relatively low, meaning a small growth in the total number of hate incidents can lead to large percentage increases. For example, data indicate that the largest increase occurred in New York City, which jumped from three to 28 anti-Asian hate crimes from 2019 to 2020, about an 833 percent surge. Meanwhile, Sacramento, California, increased from one to eight anti-Asian crimes from 2019 to 2020 — a small jump in raw numbers that equates to an increase of 700 percent.
"Even in jurisdictions reporting the most dramatic year-over-year increases in hate crimes, like New York City, the rate was lower than the proportion of Asian Americans in the population," Wong said.
Also the numbers only look bad because the number of hate crimes is so small. Literally going from one crime to seven in Sacramento, a city with almost 100k Asian citizens.
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u/Eusocial_Snowman Dec 31 '23
On top of that, you have inconsistent categorization and motivation. People imagine some soulless computer giving actual data when it comes to statistics, instead of the reality that it's made up of groups of people making decisions.
Some Asian guy gets mugged one day, does anybody care to dig into motivations and explore whether it might be a racially motivated confrontation? How about when it's suddenly politically relevant and people now have certain expectations? When it becomes an interesting factor to dig into and scrutinize just based purely out of curiosity, not to even get into the motivation people have to find an emotionally engaging story.
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u/batdog20001 Dec 30 '23
The poor and the uneducated would be my guess.
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u/Anus_master Dec 31 '23
This is the heart of the problem. Fools are being played into fighting over race when the real problem is poverty. It causes a shitload of generational problems in the long run through compounding effects.
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u/Build-Your-Own-Bitch Dec 31 '23
Poverty isn’t an excuse to hurt people. It is never an excuse or a justification for violence against others. Billions of people live in poverty and do nothing violent.
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u/Anus_master Dec 31 '23
Poverty isn’t an excuse to hurt people.
I didn't say it was an excuse to hurt people, so you're arguing with yourself there. It exists whether or not we like it unfortunately. This topic has moved beyond opinion after all the studies that have been done regarding it
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u/Build-Your-Own-Bitch Dec 31 '23
I was more or less saying that because I’ve seen people justify extreme violence with poverty or being poor beforehand endlessly. My apologies you are a good person.
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u/rampantfirefly Dec 30 '23
Racists. My money would be on the racists.
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Racists come in all sizes, shapes, genders and colors, sadly.
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u/Miles_1173 Dec 31 '23
Really inconvenient of them, we need all the racists in the world to get together and come to a consensus on what race you have to be in order to have a racist opinion!
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Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23
Then fence them in, and leave them to figure it out for themselves, walled off permanently from the rest of the world.
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u/TomorrowOk3952 Dec 30 '23
Blacks? I mean I would think whites because they are majority, but it’s prob black men and Hispanic men because they are insanely higher on violent crime?
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u/impliedhearer Dec 30 '23
Well well well
While news reports and social media have perpetuated the idea that anti-Asian violence is committed mostly by people of color, a new analysis shows the majority of attackers are white.
Janelle Wong, a professor of American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park, released analysis last week that drew on previously published studies on anti-Asian bias. She found official crime statistics and other studies revealed more than three-quarters of offenders of anti-Asian hate crimes and incidents, from both before and during the pandemic, have been white, contrary to many of the images circulating online.
Wong told NBC Asian America that such dangerous misconceptions about who perpetrates anti-Asian hate incidents can have "long-term consequences for racial solidarity."
"The way that the media is covering and the way that people are understanding anti-Asian hate at this moment, in some ways, draws attention to these long-standing anti-Asian biases in U.S. society," Wong said. "But the racist kind of tropes that come along with it — especially that it's predominantly Black people attacking Asian Americans who are elderly — there's not really an empirical basis in that."57
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exactly. this shit and the claudine gay shit is why people are starting not to trust universities or science
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u/Tradovid Dec 30 '23
The study for some reason doesn't distinguish between different groups of non white people, but white people commit less crime on Asians than their population share, which means that some other group must make up for it and white people cannot be the group that commit the most crime against asians even if we don't know which is the group that makes up for it.
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u/LasyKuuga Dec 30 '23
Istg Asians get all the cons of being a minority with none of the advantages
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u/mrnoobmaster64 Dec 30 '23
And still make up most of the demographics of the ivies despite being discriminated by them in admissions name one other race that can do that
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u/OSUfan88 Dec 30 '23
It’s highly controversial, but eastern Asian people are found to be the most intelligent racial demographic, and there seems to be a genetic component to it.
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u/mrnoobmaster64 Dec 30 '23
Its called pleasing your parents
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u/OSUfan88 Dec 30 '23
Actually, the studies show that even that isn’t connected. It’s true among adopted Eastern Asian kids who are adopted by any ethnicity, in any economic condition. There’s a strong genetic correlation.
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u/fratticus_maximus Dec 31 '23
East Asians and askenazi Jews have some of the highest innate IQ from my recollection on data and personal experience
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u/df_sin Dec 30 '23
Ah yes the totally homogenous "asian" race...
Casual racism is a thing mate, please be aware and don't indulge.
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u/CBreadman Dec 30 '23
I am more of a Competitive racist myself
/j if that wasn't obvious
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Dec 30 '23
Professional competitive racism is no joke. It’s best to start in the regionals before trying out the big leagues
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u/WGPersonal Dec 30 '23
That's the thing, the world's most competitive racist would never leave their region.
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White and black aren't homogeneous either. Only in America do we act like they are.
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u/Babatunde69 Dec 30 '23
Is it also casual racism to say black people are a race?
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u/The_Knife_Pie Dec 31 '23
I think their point is more so that a black person in the US probably has significant shared history with another black person from the us, likely (but not always) descendants of slaves with little to no knowledge of what country their ancestors come from. A japanese immigrant and a Malaysian immigrant may as well be from two different sides of the planet though.
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u/gurgle528 Dec 31 '23
Except a Black person born in the USA and an African immigrant were literally born on opposite sides of the planet. Race is inherently problematic and generalizing, that was why the concept was invented. It’s silly to apply the logic you described to only Asians.
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u/The_Knife_Pie Dec 31 '23 edited Dec 31 '23
Yes definitely, which is why I said “probably”. I lack any hard proof but my assumption is that the overwhelming majority of visually “black” people are descendants of those who were moved to the US generations ago, as opposed to modern immigrants from African countries. Even then people say African and African-American. So by generalising you are being mostly right to the demographic as it exists. In the case of “Asian” I just don’t think the same is true. East/South-east/Indian asian is the most reasonable split without getting insanely granular, like we do with Eastern/Western Europe.
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u/G_Ranger75 Dec 30 '23
Black and White people are? There are numerous Sub-Saharan countries (and even more ethnicities) that would be qualified as "black," and it's the exact same with Europe and the Caucasus as being "white." None of those count as homogeneous.
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u/Wedge001 Dank Cat Commander Dec 30 '23
Race is a social construct numb nuts. There’s different definitions depending on where you are in the world.
None of it matters, but everyone still pretends like their definitions of race is the “correct”
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u/ArcannOfZakuul Dec 30 '23
None of the other races are either. Race does a TERRIBLE job at indicating anything except for what massive region of the globe someone's ancestors came from -- often so far back it doesn't impact much, except for the many cases that don't.
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u/Build-Your-Own-Bitch Dec 31 '23
In America for all paperwork it is. So for the college admissions, it doesn’t matter where in Asia, you’re just Asian. In real life I couldn’t tell you every Asian country without looking at a map.
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u/StolenValourSlayer69 Dec 30 '23
What does ISTG stand for?
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u/pileofcrustycumsocs Urinal cake connoisseur Dec 30 '23
Based on context I think it means “i swear to god”
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u/TheUmbraCat Dec 30 '23
Not true, I can get pulled over and not get immediately shot. My black friend who drives me tho? RIP Davion.
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u/gereffi Dec 30 '23
Yes, the value is still higher than it was in 2019, but the trend is turning down. Basically any social change won’t affect the absolute number but will instead affect the rate of change of that number or even the rate of change of the rate of change of that number.
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u/CaptainLo05 Dec 30 '23
You just activated some of the neurons I had from Calculus
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u/Key_Preparation_4129 Dec 30 '23
The only reason it's died down is bc bigots have moved on to their new toy. 2020-2021 was Asian hate bc of covid, then last year this new wave of anti semitism started spreading everywhere and now this Israel/Hamas blunder has everyone focused on Muslims and jews.
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u/KarasukageNero Dec 30 '23
I really don't understand why anyone would do that. Every Asian person I know is great. I could never understand why anyone would want to hurt them.
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u/aaaghhhhh420 Dec 30 '23
well because there is no logic behind it. rasism is dumb.
like the dude who beat up a 67 old asian women and getting 17 years prison.
he f her life and f his own life. there is no logical reason to to that.
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u/PoyoLocco Dec 30 '23
Hating someone because of their race is cringe.
Hating people because they are assholes is based.
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u/wafflepiezz Masked Men Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23
Am Asian.
There is ONE GROUP that has been deliberately attacking and murdering us ever since the start of the pandemic.
And it’s very easy to know which type of people they are.
Actually in fact, these people from this group are also still attacking us and robbing us to this day and it doesn’t make it to the News.
Edit: I’ll give you guys a hint about which group they belong to and support, “BLM”
I can’t call them out directly or I’d be seen as a “racist” and get permabanned by Reddit.
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u/TheBird91 Dec 30 '23
Because if you say it, you are racist
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u/bedsheetsniffer Dec 30 '23
Nah, only white people can be racist
/s if that wasn’t obvious enough
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It’s only racist if you’re using that information to judge an entire race… yknow, actual racism. Otherwise, who gives a shit? Being all hunky funny about it “Oh I can’t say anything because I’ll be called racist” just feels disingenuous.
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u/Tradovid Dec 30 '23
Who gives a fuck if someone calls you a racist on the internet? But the thing is the Asian person does sound like a racist and so do most of the people talking about this shit.
I have no problem saying that black people in US commit disproportional amount of crime, and while some people have called me racist on occasion I have never faced any repercussions because I'm never actually racist.
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u/wafflepiezz Masked Men Dec 30 '23
How do I sound racist? Lol we’re literally being targeted by them
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u/SalvationSycamore Dec 30 '23
If you say it without proper support for your argument it may just be racist. "Only one group committing anti-Asian hate crimes" is verifiably false.
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u/Scottyboy5451 I'm the coolest one here, trust me Dec 30 '23
I got you it's them colored folk
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Dec 30 '23
Because saying things directly can you you banned on Reddit, so it's better to not say something but just suggest it enough for people to know who you're talking about.
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u/wafflepiezz Masked Men Dec 30 '23
Because I got permabanned from Reddit the last time I called them out.
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u/User_namesaretaken ☣️ Dec 31 '23
There has been a heavy influx of black people showing violence towards Asians for so long
But apparently black people are the only victims of racism according to media
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u/SkyEclipse Dec 31 '23
And they get so much (unneeded or forced) representation in media compared to Asians hmm
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u/Meiguo_Saram Dec 31 '23
Yeah I once mentioned them by name directly in this context. My comment was removed by reddit Admins-not even a mod-and I got a warning I’d be banned by reddit if I kept making comments like that
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u/LMay11037 Dec 30 '23
Can people stop just going ‘there is one specific group’ or ‘I wonder what group of people it is…’ and actually SAY IT
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u/Yardninja Dec 30 '23
Sir this is reddit, if you suggest that black americans have the agency to commit crimes or get IDs of their own accord then you will be called a racist
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u/LMay11037 Dec 30 '23
Oh is that it
I had my suspicions, I feel like I may have heard that
But also could people stop being such pussies and actually say what they mean lmao it wasn’t that hard
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u/wafflepiezz Masked Men Dec 30 '23
It’s not hard, but just pointing them out and you will get banned by Reddit and called a racist.
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Morgan freeman voice...And yet, no one would.
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u/mr_remy Dec 31 '23
White person here, lots of people on the other side of human development that are still racist as fuck. We alllll know who you're talking about, yes they're racist as fuck specifically.
We are embarrassed by them (and just as pissed as you are believe me) and know that's not how humans should act towards one another, and some of us work towards calling them the fuck out when they hear it.
I don't think i'm very bad ass trust me, I cry during disney movies (empathy to 11) but when I get a chance i'll throw my 6'4 250+ somewhat fit bulk at a racist asshole, never seen one step up they always back down like a little bitch.
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u/Gemstyle96 Dec 30 '23
Can we get an AMA with a racist person? I can't comprehend hating someone because of their race. There are plenty of terrible people, and their race has nothing to do with it.
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u/Just-Round9944 ☣️ Dec 30 '23
I'm extremely racist (I love racing). My least favorite race is racewalking. AMA.
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u/Gemstyle96 Dec 30 '23
Is it too slow?
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u/Just-Round9944 ☣️ Dec 30 '23
See, you knew exactly what the problem with it was. It's way too slow and it's not entertaining enough.
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u/Ratattack1204 Dec 30 '23
I think theres a few AMA’s that were tried but they were downvoted into oblivion before being removed. Though ive seen people talking about what their mindset was like when they used to be racist and that was pretty neat. Ill see if i can find it.
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u/Build-Your-Own-Bitch Dec 31 '23
I could try but my black gf my beat my ass if she finds out I’m racist.
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u/Outside_Bicycle Dec 30 '23
I'm not sure if this is 1:1 but when I learning math in high school, I hated it because I didn't understand it and I didn't want to understand it because I hated it.
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u/DeustheDio Dec 30 '23
What's the difference between an Asian hate crime and an anti Asian hate crime? Isnt the anti a but redundant?
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And the actual number of recorded incidents in New York State which started all that media coverage was like 20-30 people.
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u/JackSwieper Dec 30 '23
Wtf is that calculation at the bottom. 2.5 for the amount of years ok maybe (but still why .5?); 4.39 from 150+339%? Would make 4.89. Where did that 0.5 difference come from. And lasty 0.7 ok i get that 30% reduction. But overall shit doesnt make sense.
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u/hmpfdoctorino ☣️ Dec 30 '23
He added 100% each year as a base, this calculation is crap
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u/CoffeeFox_ Dec 30 '23
Not mitigating the seriousness of the issues but I’m it sure that’s how that math works
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u/JellyfishGod Dec 30 '23
While the situation is bad, to be fair, 30% is a good amount. Percents are weird to look at and can be deceiving. Where for something to go up u can have huge numbers, but for it to go down huge amounts u have relatively small amounts.
Lets say u have $100 and it goes up 600% u have 600. But if it then goes down just 30% ur left w 420$. That's the same as it only going up 420% in the first place.
I get we all understand how percentages work (I hope we do lol) but it still helps to see it written out and explained I think, cuz they really can be deceiving. U see the sort of deceiving nature of percentages really fuck people over like when r/wallstreetbets users "invest" (gamble) and make terrible decisions hoping to break even
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If your base is $100 dollars, and it’s going up by 600%, you’ll have $700 dollars.
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u/PopularAppearance180 Dec 31 '23
Turns out percentages, much like magnets, are just one of the universal mysteries and it's unlikely we'll ever really understand how they work.
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u/Dejery Dec 31 '23
OP this math makes my eyes burn and my head hurt. You don’t need to add 1 to the first two values. The real answer is 355.95% more than 2019 not 670%.
Base amount x first increase x second increase x decrease = result.
Since base amount is 100% the calc should be;
1 x 1.5 x 3.39 x 0.7 = 3.5595 = 355.95%
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u/StraightLeader5746 Jul 09 '24
this problem will not be solved cause if you actually wanted to solve it you would need to adress the race of the people who commit this crimes, and that "would be racist"
America is such a joke of a country, lmao
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u/GuthixIsBalance Dec 30 '23
Sounds like we just decided to throw everything into "Asian".
Those are rookie numbers.
Better put all crimes into that categorization. Then we'll be top in every crime.
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Dec 30 '23
Yep, it is like how gas goes from 1 to 6 then back down to 5 and everyone cheers.
Like.. no you idiots. This isn't better.
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Dec 30 '23
If it is 30% less then the expacted rise, then the math checks out. If it is 30% less of 330% its - 99 so 229% compared to the year before the year before. But if it truely is 30% less then it's simply from 100% down to 70% what ever 100% mean.
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u/NewtRider Dec 31 '23
Remember. America hates kids and other Americans more than Asians.. So least you're not the most hated culture in America lol
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u/KeepingDankMemesDank Hello dankness my old friend Dec 30 '23
downvote this comment if the meme sucks. upvote it and I'll go away.
play minecraft with us