Latex opera gloves, a flamboyant scarf, an apparent obsession with pink, never to be seen without heavy mascara, plucked eyebrows, and popping lip gloss.
I don’t know why writers are so keen on the whole “forget everything you know, THIS is how everything actually works”
They did it to death in Marvel to the point that every time they ripped the curtain away to reveal the new “actual most powerful thing” that I instantly didn’t care because I knew it wouldn’t be long before it was revealed that there was ACTUALLY something more powerful than that all along.
Why can’t they just put a compelling story into an established IP?
Writers don't seem to get that it was the mystery of the force that made it interesting. You're basically talking about a group of people that have a specific type of superpower throughout a galaxy and they're arbiters of good - except for those couple of people that are the same but evil.
Explaining any part of the force takes away the mystery and charm.
Even Lucas failed at that though. With Midichlorians and the Whils concept he never really got off the ground.
The explanation Obi-Wan gives in A New Hope is all we ever needed. It's an invisible energy force that some people can tap into. That's it, that's all we need.
The immaculate force conception of the twins kinda retconns Anakin being the first.
Still feel like it would have been 1000 times better if they just adapted EU Old Republic content instead of making up a new era only 100 years before the prequels.
I’ll be honest, I don’t understand why people are so mad, even the Prequels had retcons to the lore by adding in the whole “chosen one” and “virgin birth” anyways.
Anakin’s already unique in that he literally destroyed the Jedi Order and was able to hunt down and defeat the remaining survivors, the emotional power of his redemption isn’t in him fulfilling some chosen one prophecy, it’s in him choosing the love for his son over his duty to an evil empire.
Consider to that Darth Plagueis isn’t canon anymore, we know that the twins in The Acolyte were birthed using a perversion of the force, but if anything, the way they talk about Anakin’s birth in the original is the Force willing itself to create Anakin
Before the prequels, Anakin wasn’t a looser who murdered children, but now he is
EDIT: Before anyone complains, that was a mistake on my part, what I was referring to is the Legends Novel that states that Anakin was the product of force experimentation gone wrong on the part of Plagueis and Palpatine, I do know that Plagueis was stated to have known of the force's ability to create life in Revenge of the Sith, however considering the framing of it in the film it's reasonable to assume that Palpatine was just using persuasive dialogue about his former master and there is nothing conclusive to suggest that Plagueis was even that successful, much less that he and Palpatine are the "fathers" of Anakin. In Canon, it seems to remain that Anakin is a product of the Force willing itself a Chosen One, whereas the Twins are just a perversion of force usage created by an extinct cult.
We don't know how it is done. We don't know how Anakin came to be either. It is never said that Anakin was the first either. Shmi just says he has no dad.
The canon is so insanely expansive across all the books/comics/shows that at this point I genuinely wonder if it's possible to do anything that doesn't break canon. Even Lucas occasionally broke his own canon in his own material, e.g. bouncing between Jedi maintaining peace in the Old Republic for a "thousand generations" vs "thousand years".
That guy is full of shit. They didn't retcon the force at all. A group of witches describes it differently than the Jedi do. That happens in literally every religion in existence. As for the messy climax, it's intentional. It's gonna be one of those rashomon type stories where we get different viewpoints on what happens.
The kid actors were pretty bad though, ngl. Overall I personally think the show is worth watching. It's not gonna blow your doors off or anything but it's not nearly as bad as these crybaby bitches are making it out to be.
Lastly, I can see why people are unhappy with yet another round of Star Wars lore retconning (what the Force is, what it means, what the role of the Jedis are in the universe, etc).
i keep seeing this but i think this is bullshit. there are lots of religions that have different interceptions of the force. The Dathomir witchs had their own thing going on that didnt align with the jedi/sith force view point yet nobody yells "OMG THE DATHOMIR WITCHES ARE CHANGING WHAT THE FORCE IS" like it was just their interpretation of the force and people understood that.
This is just another groups interpretation's of the force thats it. they can be wrong but thats how that that is to them. They are saying their idea of the force is cannon for us fans
They were twins for about 10 minutes at the end of the third movie. Their twin relationship was definitely not "the big crux" of episode 4-6 and there is no way George Lucas thought this far in advance while making "A New Hope".
The way Lucas and crew had the whole “there is another” was vague enough that Leia could’ve just been another kid who happened to be force sensitive not Luke’s sister
Your example of stupidity is that someone has a long lost twin. You sound like every other idiot here who made up their mind about this show months ago. You honestly can’t tell me that this show’s writing is any wonkier than any other Star Wars property you love
How is that an invalid complaint when it's the very low effort garbage level crap that continues to perpetuate a poor view of a once and still beloved IP from being all it can be?
Absolutely people are going to criticize bad plot when they see it. The only asinine thing is your thinking that's somehow invalid because of past infractions.
I was holding out hope that her twin wasn't real and she was bipolar or something. They had story beats obscuring the "good" sisters whereabouts during the first murder and whether or not she was involved, which seemed pointless without some kinda reveal.
It also is their highest cost show and was one of their lower viewed shows.
This is a recipe for "don't care, not making that again." Meanwhile Acolyte probably isn't great, but will get views. So it'll be made again.
I believe people liked season one and two but I've heard the third season bombed hard. I haven't seen it myself because I thought it was stupid that season 2 ended with him and grogu parting ways but apparently they're back together by episode one of season three. That is just dumb writing.
I saw the scene where the diverse lesbian witches that totally weren't added for dei reasons went and made one of their sisters force preggers by singing the cringiest fucking song I've ever heard in my life while off-key to boot and decided to fuck off after that.
Like I'm sorry but naw dog, that ain't it... Shit is bad.
Like witches are already firmly established in Star Wars so this doesn't stand out from any of the Dathomir witches in Clone Wars, it's definitely cringey but inoffensive?
I haven't seen it yet but I've never actually seen anyone give reasons why it's shit without explaining it. It's just always "trash writing" without explaining why the writing is trash or calling it "woke" or "diversity" which just sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.
It's not any worse than Kenobi yet people are losing their minds over it and making takes on gender like the one above. It's so obvious people are choosing to hate it for more reasons than "it's just shit".
Kenobi has a 61% audience score on RT compared to The Acolyte's 16%. But I'm mainly talking about the outrage people have because of the race or genders of the characters. If you don't think that's a huge part of the discourse behind why Acolyte is so hated you're delusional.
Never said it was. It had a shit load of negative reviews before it was even released. That's review bombing. Even the film called "acolytes" that came out over a decade ago has a shit load of new negative reviews from morons not knowing the difference and review bombing it.
People in this thread are calling it awful at the same time as proudly saying they will never watch it. child acting and the chant scene was bad but I've liked the show for the most part. Its not perfect or even great but the score would definitely be higher if racists and sexists weren't a thing.
Yeah, blame it on racism and sexism, not the poor writing, choreography, plot holes, poor plot line, and the fact that the "murder mystery" was resolved in the first 10 min if the show.
I'm waiting for it all to come out because my friends and I spend a day binge watching star wars shows once they're all out but I'll judge the show then.
There's lots of people that love bombed it, because they need that access to maintain their clout on the internet and will lose early access if they grade it according to what they actually think.
I really enjoyed the first two episodes but thought the 3rd was too focused on the childhood trauma. I'll give them a pass (even X-Men had that jubilee video game ep) but I've gone from excited to apprehensive.
Is it peak TV? No. Is it peak star wars? No.
Does it deserve all this bullshit hate and review bombing and dumb ass misogynistic posts like this? Helllllllll no
I watched the first episode. Some small part of my soul still has that childhood love of Star Wars, and a small ember of hope remains that we can get good Star Wars content again.
But this wasn’t it. Acolyte wasn’t aggressively bad or anything. It was just… boring. When the episode ended, I felt nothing. Didn’t care about the stories, the characters, or anything. The only thing that had any emotional impact on me at all the entire show was the occasional “Ooh, nice set design” or “I like that costume”. That was about it.
There WAS a brief moment where I thought the twist was going to be that the main character had DID, and we were doing a Jekyll/Hyde or Moon Knight kind of thing. A darker half of her personality that was suppressed by the Jedi or something. That would have been cool. But they shut it down by end of the episode, and revealed it’s literally just an evil twin. Sigh.
I won’t be watching the next episode. Again, it’s not BAD. I didn’t end the episode angry or insulted or yell “What was that bullshit!?” (like with Rise of Skywalker). It was just boring.
I watched the second also. They literally introduced a jedi who was just hovering while meditating. He was also impervious to all damage. Yes, all damage. Throw knives at him, kick, punch, use the Force, not a hair on his head moved, literally fucking invincible.
They single-handedly reduced the likes of Mace, Qui-Gon, Obi, Anakin/Vader, Palpatine and Yoda and even ugh Rey into amateurs, and introduced a few thousand plotholes, for a throwaway character with basically 3 minutes of screentime and 1 (yes one) line.
Honestly the fucking sequels were each a masterpiece compared to this shit.
Yeah, i would say youre missing out, but you have, like so many others, been influenced by the toxic part of SW who make it their mission to hate on anything Disney makes of SW. Their arm-chair smooth brain criticism doesnt make any sense, but they somehow convince people to think the same as them. Then of course go on to consume every single second of every show, movie, game, book and comic book anyways lol. Its a massive problem.
It sucks, because the show is quite exciting so far.
Edit: give me a valid criticism of the show? Anyone?
Edit2: Still waiting for the valid criticism. Andor also started slow, much less exciting than the first 3 of Acoltye, also got hate and the “bad writing” argument with no follow-up, it wasnt until episode 4 when it picked up pace a lot. Just chill with your judgement until you have figure out how the atory goes via the Rashomon method. Bet you also walked out after 20 minutes of Shawshank Redemtion huh. But Rambo was exciting right away so that means Rambo is better than Shawshank Redemtion huh
Edit3: after 70 comments ive only seen ONE single valid criticism of a very small plot point brought forward by 3 people. You guys are absolutely pathetic lmao. Give me more examples please, or just dont comment. Im gonna start ignoring the parrots now because its like talking to a wall, a very dumb wall too.
Edit4: Ok im done with this now. Im rewlly dissapointed in this massive toxic bandwagon you sad people have going on. Jump off and get your own opinions please, nothing is sadder than people just taking other peoples opinions and parroting them. Good bye
I'm sorry, are you suggesting that a high quality, well written, well produced show wouldn't have waves of shitbird mouth breathers bashing it on the internet?
How long have you been using the internet? Or do you just post baseless drivel to validate the sentiments in your brain?
Shall we check the internet for how many people shit on Andor?
I don't understand how have they shit on the force? With the witches? Seems to me not much different than the night sisters who are also force wielders to some extent but use it much differently than Jedi.
And as for the gender thing you mention I don't exactly see what you mean given that the girl Jedi have not really been shown as competent and powerful either, but Sol to me looks like he's actually very respectable and competent, I like that guy.
Edit: wow that was unpopular I guess, can i not have my own opinion?
Yeah okay dude lmao. I watched the first 20 mins before I read anything online, and I was actually groaning out load at how fucking terrible the writing is. Pretty sure the short stories I had to write in elementary school were on par with the writing of this show.
I think the problem is that people are not willing to give them a chance, because they already have the mindset of it being bad before even having seen anything. The trailer of the show was promising, but the immense dislike and hate of the trailer was simply all-saying.
Andor started super slow and got a lot of hate, but when the story picked up it became avsolutely fantastic. People havent learned from that, theyv have just become worse.
Valid, i didnt like the Obi-Wan show (although an edit/cut of the show makes it very entertaining, so you dont see those shitty scenes), but that show had a super low budget and was rushed and changed a lot. The Acolty wasnt any of those, and doesnt apply to sny of those criticism.
The reason i compare it to andor is because it follows the same premise of a slow start that only focuses on set up and character introduction before it starts getting coherent. Same exact thing is happening with Acolyte, but this time people have given up 24% of the way, unlike Andor.
There’s a problem with this world, people can’t criticise stuff for being bad, some morons who don’t understand good thing from bad would start spewing bullshit like you just did.
Then some people would get mad and they would start hating on women cantered stuff that’s genuinely well made.
Youre welcome to criticise, but if you do not have a valid example to give and just say “bad writing” or “woke”, then no, you really shouldnt parrot other peoples opinions.
Who are you to talk about parroting when you've literally typed the exact same response to everyone's unique criticism? The same thing over and over like... you know... a parrot?
Unique criticism? Where? Point me to a single valid “unique” criticism. There was one, about a very small plot point, which i gave a detailed response too.
Man, making up a narrative to get these toxic people to upvote you, not cool man
I am not going to give an example because writing is all there is to cinema. If you had brain enough to understand you would know that I specified it from my comment that I don’t care if it’s woke.
Not true. Cinema also includes acting, cinematography, music/sound design, choreography, production design, costumes, and more. Bad writing can be put to the side if the acting is good enough (which as someone who hasn’t seen the show it doesn’t sound like that’s what’s happening)
You speak like you know cinema. Then you surely know that this is a standard example of the Rashomon effect. Also, Andor started super slow and got a lot of hate, why are we repeating the same mistake?
We are all exceedingly aware that Disney has hired a PR firm that conflates not liking Star Wars with problematic behavior in an obvious ploy to turn the discussion towards anything but quality.
Like 50 comments have replied to me, and i only have 2 hands and a playful niece around, but nice try man, lovely to see you make up a narrative to make me look bad. Youre a nice person arent you
What are you talking about, Ahsoka wasn't great but it still had redeeming qualities such as the scenes with Anakin and Skoll was a great addition to the character list. I don't see anything remotely interesting when it comes to Acolyte.
Personally I was really frustrated with Jedi's investigation of Osha in the first episode. They show up on her on ship and arrest her based on one witness' description despite her having an alibi. And when Sol asks if Osha murdered Indara, he is told "the evidence is strong." It's a stretch, and I audibly groaned when they teased attacking Osha in the second episode after Torbin's death. To me it makes the Jedi look like incompetent detectives.
Or at best corrupted. Which may be the case. It's still unclear what happened on Brendock. And I thought the third episode did a decent job of muddying the waters of who is right and wrong. Is the Coven a crazy cult because they're all women and have a different interpretation of the Force, or are they forcing children among their numbers? Is Osha valid in wanting to leave the Coven, or was she deceived and kidnapped? Are the Jedi stomping out other practitioners of the Force if they don't follow the Jedi's code?
I actually think there are some interesting things going on and some cool fights so I'm sticking with it for now. But I nearly dipped because of how foolish Yord acted at first.
That part was a bit iffy yes, because they leave it up to the viewer to figure things out. It doesnt make sense to have just a single witness be “strong evidence”, so the viewer has to just assume there are other witnesses collaborating the story by seeing the accused leaving the bar or something like that.
bad example? what about "the string" being something able to give life and not a weapon but in the same episode it gets used as a weapon two times?
what about the sisters living in "hiding" yet they have a big ass bunker that sits on top of a mountain and can probably be seen from space?
what about the little book that set a whole bunker made out of stone on fire?
what about the huge build up that one twin falls off the bridge yet it has no impact because we already know that the twin survived because it's the third episode?
all those things just happened in one episode man.
if you can't accept bad writing when it comes to this show you really are either rage baiting or really believe people hate star wars because it's "a trend". we all just want a good story...
It's not the feel that I disliked about R1, the concept was good. To me it was the nonsensical changes in character motivations that prevented any emotional connection, the excess of the Easter eggs (particularly but not exclusively the tatooine duo), the boring world ending scene with heroes fleeing the shockwave (inhated that scene), and the utter predictability of the entire story (being predictable is not necessarily a flaw, good writing can be predictable sometimes, but the movie didn't have much going on for me so that was just the last nail in its coffin for me).
The tone of the movie beside in a few places (the aforementioned Easter eggs) was fine, the actors weren't bad at all and the concept was cool. It's purely the execution that I disliked hence why I think Andor could still work for me.
Then you might like Andor yes. Though the writer for Andor was the co-writer of R1, so maybe, maybe not lol. If you do decide to give it a chance, then do not stop until at least episode 4, as thats where it really picks up pace
Ridiculous comment. Disney had an entire expanded universe of well writing books to choose from but instead decided to completely botch the new star wars movies. You fan boying Disney for no reason but to fan boy is more about you than others
I dislike disney, but does that mean i should dislike all the actors and all the show runners too? JUST because they are funded by disney? Was hitler a bad painter because he was insanely evil?
I also mentioned i didnt like Ahsoka and that Obi-Wan was bad, even though they both had a few good segments.
They setup an OK mystery by the end of episode 1 and then revealed that Mae was real 5 minutes later in the same ep. It's the most impatient writing theyve done so far. And the chant was literally highschool spirit squad levels of phoned in.
You enjoying it doesn't disprove valid criticism, it just proves you can't handle it rationally
This is Star Wars…. Not a political comment on religious beliefs. It’s just Star Wars and if you don’t see why this stuff doesn’t belong then I can’t help you
Are you kidding? Star Wars has always been about politics, the OT villains were space nazis dude, and the Jedi are strongly influenced by religion as they share a LOT of the same values. What a sentence you came with there man
Chodes on Reddit are honestly insufferable. The show is fine, episode 3 was a bit weak, but the other 2 were pretty good. The only criticisms I've seen are whining about the Force (which just shows they know nothing about Star Wars lore) and fire in space (which just shows they're being disingenuous as basic physics have been ignored since the first shot of the first movie).
Of course i did, because the premise is the exact same. The first 40 min of Shawshank was boring as hell, but it was on purpose to set up the rest of the film. If people quit/paused the movie at the 40min mark like they have done with watching 24% of the Acolyte, then Shawshank would have gotten terrible reviews. Do you not understand that?
Slow start into big reward, Andor did the exact same thing, and it also got a lot of you people hating on it, but when it picked up pace in episode 4, then it became elite.
Nothing Disney star wars has put out entertained me. I found it excessively preachy and hand holding from the story to the moral choices and found it tedious that they thought their audience so stupid. The story has never been terribly nuanced but damn if they went further to assume I couldn't understand a black and white moral system.
So! I gave up on everything they made and made the only correct choice as a consumer and stopped giving them attention or money. Glad you like it enough to debate-bro for it?
Oh and this show in particular, was written and produced by the lady who lines up young women for Weinstein to predate on, so.
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u/eson1169 Jun 15 '24
I have zero plans to watch a single second of The Acolyte.