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u/Lost_Borealian Jun 20 '25
What do you mean "lowered"
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u/Number_1_Kotori_fan Jun 20 '25
On heavily urbanized areas rent is beyond expensive, I pay 1700 for a one bedroom and that's on the low end
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u/Lost_Borealian Jun 20 '25
I try very hard not to think about that. I used to get by with two jobs with half your rent and still couldn't afford a car. Fucking love the economy right
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u/DJstinkyfinger Jun 20 '25
Don't worry, trickle down economics will kick in any minute now.
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u/-KFBR392 Jun 20 '25
Once they get theirs and don't want any more then we'll get ours. You guys are so impatient.
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u/Hater69420 Jun 20 '25
I'm so glad people are waking up to the absolute scam that free market capitalists have been selling us for a hundred years. Better late than never
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u/DaKrakenAngry Jun 21 '25
Its due to gov rent control policies. Areas where rent control policies are minimal, or don't exist, housing has risen, but not nearly as much as areas like NY or CA. Houston has actually done a really good job of keeping housing costs low due to allowing building of new units, i.e. increasing supply to meet demand.
I have no idea how people keep blaming "capitalism" and "free markets" for the housing issues when it's one of the most regulated areas of the economy. Areas where housing is in a more free market are more affordable.
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u/Loading_M_ Jun 21 '25
Correlation does not imply causation. Why would rent control - policies explicitly limiting the cost of housing - cause prices to increase? I would argue a for more likely explanation is that high rent prices cause increased pressure on the government to institute rent control. The prices in 'high value' areas, like NY or CA, would be even higher without rent control.
I'm currently paying $1100 for a two bedroom apt in MN. The main reason it's not higher is that very few people want to live in MN, especially here.
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u/DaKrakenAngry Jun 21 '25
Correlation doesn't imply causation all the time. But when the pattern is rent controlled cities/states being consistently higher than non-rent controlled cities/states, that's compelling evidence.
Your own experience in MN bears this out. Demand is low, so there is some supply that keeps prices low. My area has seen an explosion in housing construction. And though housing costs have risen, it isn't as bad as in major metro areas. I pay under $2k for a 4 bedroom, 3 full bath house on 0.5 acres. That includes my taxes and insurance.
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u/Loading_M_ Jun 22 '25
There are several issues with your argument. First, you provided no new arguments - you just repeated your first argument. Second, the pattern you describe is just correlation - you haven't eliminated the other possible relationships. In fact, my argument is that there is causal relationship - just in the other direction. You have not explained why rent control could cause higher rent.
The laws of supply and demand (which you referenced relative to my own experience), suggest that because demand is higher in large cities, prices will be higher. That's just the free market - rent control has nothing to do with it.
I hadn't really read up on what rent control policies actually look like. See https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/faqs/rent-control/ for the basic research I've done, but the important point is this: rent regulations only apply to some, but not all apartments. Based on the numbers in that article, and this one (www.nyc.gov/content/tenantprotection/pages/fast-facts-about-housing-in-nyc), only about a third of apartments are under any form of rent control. In other words, about two thirds of apartments in New York are not rent controlled, and thus their rent is set via the free market. Therefore, the overall high rent cannot be caused by rent control policies.
Also from the first article I linked, 'The system was enacted in 1969 when rents were rising sharply in many post-war buildings' - In other words, rent control was enacted after the free market increased rent prices. This was the argument I made in my last comment - that rent control is typically a response to high rent, rather than a cause of high rent.
Finally, I've never heard a landlord that's in favor of rent control. Landlords have a financial incentive to increase rent (they get more money), so if rent control caused an increase in rent, they would absolutely be arguing for more rent control.
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u/Slick_Puppy_8465 Jun 20 '25
I pay $2100 for a hotel room after I was evicted from my $2200 apartment in Nashville
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u/Morbanth Jun 20 '25
I pay 700€ for a studio flat with a balcony in central Helsinki. What the fuck is up with your property prices?
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u/GarretBarrett Jun 20 '25
American cities are bonkers. My house is in a podunk town in Ohio (personally love that and want to live in an area like this) and it is valued at $160,000 ($550/month). If you took my exact house and lot and put it in Columbus (a medium sized American city) it would be around a $1,000,000 (~$6,000/month and that’s with 20% down) house. Housing prices are insane and it’s getting to the point, even in small towns, where so many of the homes are being purchased by corporations and made into rental properties. I genuinely believe that within the next 50 years, owning a home will be only for those who have had homes left to them by parents and the rest will ALL be rentals. Like I said, I live in a very tiny town, five thousand people at the most, my neighborhood is all 100+ years old homes (fairly rare in the states), of the houses directly next to me and across the street. ONE of the four houses is owned (2 including me) and the rest are rentals.
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u/EatTheRichIsPraxis Jun 21 '25
Appearantly it is because big corps are buying all the houses on sale to control supply on the housing market.
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u/JohnnyRedHot Jun 21 '25
Yeah, studio flat in Buenos Aires, balcony with great view, 450usd approx.
(buuut monthly wages are very low so it's a significant part of your wage, for me it's almost a third :(
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u/Xaelomar Dank Royalty Jun 20 '25
"Half" that is my months pay.
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u/GayPudding Jun 20 '25
I'm about to send you a new cardboard box.
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u/RarestRaindrop The OC High Council Jun 20 '25
$2345/month + utilities in my college town. They are sucking us dry.
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u/Scottish_Whiskey Please help me Jun 20 '25
I didn’t even make that much with 4 extra days over overtime 😭
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u/Galba__ Jun 20 '25
In my area you'd be lucky to get a studio for that much. 1700 gets you a room in a house with a shared bathroom and 4 roommates
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u/triggered_rabbit Jun 20 '25
If he raises rent and you're thinking of moving out, go find some termites at a pet store and give them a free new home in the apartment
Bonus points if you use cash to purchase the termites so as not to leave a trail.
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u/This_guy7796 EX-NORMIE Jun 20 '25
Yeah when I broke up with my ex & moved out I needed a cosigner. My dad tried to get me to lease in a bad area because rent was $350. This was in 2017. Those same units are now $800 & I'd still need to carry...
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u/rubbarz Jun 21 '25
Completely irrelevant: a box of 50 9mm rounds haven't changed in price since COVID.
Also completely irrelevant: cheaper apartments tend to have numerous "gang related activity" reports.
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u/Technical-Command867 Jun 20 '25
Wtf? I just bought a brand new house, as in just built. 4 bed 2 bath and my mortgage payment is less than $1300/month
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u/Liquefied_Rat מוסמך למול Jun 20 '25
What state? In RI that is less than if you buy a nearly run down trailer
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u/heyuhitsyaboi Jun 20 '25
Cheapest apartment near me (10 miles) is $2300 for a dark old studio on a busy road
I love California
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u/Shittybuttholeman69 Jun 20 '25
When I first moved out my parents I moved into the cheapest apartment around for miles, I only qualified because I worked minimum wage at the time. The rent was 1600 dollars a month for 195 square feet (that’s about one tiny room and a pisser btw) and that’s low income housing
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u/Lost_Borealian Jun 20 '25
No, that is a joke. They are playing you
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u/Shittybuttholeman69 Jun 20 '25
Yeah but when the only other option is >2k you don’t have much choice
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u/DILF_MANSERVICE Jun 20 '25
I always forget I could move to a desert with 700 people in it and zero worker protection laws and pay dirt for housing
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u/elmucky Jun 21 '25
Oh my sweet summer child. 1200 is what I paid for a two-bedroom, 900 Sq ft apartment next to the freeway in California. In 2008
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u/spectra2000_ Jun 21 '25
I hate how no one is answering your question. I’m also confused by the phrasing.
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u/Lost_Borealian Jun 21 '25
I forgot the question mark. I was shocked that someone else thinks $1200 is lower than most 1 bed apartments. I wouldn't be comfprtable with more than $1000.
It just so happens I can aford it now.
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u/LaidByAnEgg Jun 21 '25
in addition to being in a dense urban area like other people mentioned, it could also just be a house
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u/a-snakey Jun 20 '25
Rent was like 700 for a one bedroom back when i was 8 in 1998.
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u/Deathchariot Jun 20 '25
It's 700 € for a 4-Appartment where I live 2025 💀
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u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS Jun 20 '25
German housing is incredibly based.
When I studied abroad there, I lived as one unit of a 4 bed apartment, single shared kitchen.
200€ a month. With utilities, if I'm not mistaken.
I mean, I did have to listen to two very gay, very German masters degree students constantly fight and then have loud make up sex, but like, 200€ is 200€.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/gaybunny69 Jun 21 '25
I mean, €200 for a live in soap opera doesn't sound too bad
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u/PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS Jun 21 '25
For the same amenities here? For 250 a month? I'd endure some HEINOUS shit.
I can't remember the history PhD, but Joseph was pretty chill. I think he was the top.
And they cooked for me sometimes too! It was really sweet, I think they just pitied me for not having good cooking skill at that time 😂
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u/Wallace-Pumpernickel Jun 20 '25
Where do you live??
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u/EnderMango Jun 20 '25
With jobs?
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u/Deathchariot Jun 20 '25
Enough jobs yea. For Germany it's a very metropolitan area (not Berlin ;-))
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u/Perfect_Juggernaut92 Jun 20 '25
Im paying 900/mo for a 2 bed, 1000sqft. really got lucky finding this place
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
Id hang you too if you doubled my rent.
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u/EnderMango Jun 20 '25
Tf you mean doubled?
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
$600 a month son
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u/EnderMango Jun 20 '25
I’m about to hang you for coming online talking about some damn 600 a month..
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u/RedHeadSteve ☣️ Jun 20 '25
I pay 900 and get 500 back from the government. So my rent is in fact just 400.
2 bedroom, 66m2. Prices in euro
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u/Robert_Baratheon__ Jun 20 '25
Where do you live? South Dakota?
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u/Shantyman001 Jun 20 '25
Not even here is it that low. Doing some renovations on an apartment building and it's one of the shitty one bedroom ones and rent is $1400 a month. This shit is ridiculous everywhere
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u/RyFro Jun 20 '25
Do you have roommates?
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
No. Just me. Its a basic apartment. Im saving for a house, so I dont mind the cramped accommodations.
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u/RyFro Jun 20 '25
Is it a studio apartment? I'm impressed with your rent situation regardless of location, good for you!
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
It has a few more rooms than a studio, id say 2 people as long as they get along, would thrive.
Its because I actually shop around and show lower prices to my landlord, save money, pay on time and not be a nuisance.
People become complacent when they find something.
Same with jobs.
If you dont speak up for yourself, no one will.
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u/RyFro Jun 20 '25
Its because I actually shop around and show lower prices to my landlord, save money, pay on time and not be a nuisance.
Does your Landlord price match?! My landlord would tell me to move if I did this. Lol
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
Ive had a few LL who told me to move, so I did. This one has been good so far.
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u/_Ironstorm_ Jun 20 '25
Post about lowering rents Guy with low rent gets downvoted to oblivion . Yup I don't hate Reddit enough.
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
Thoes in reddit want you to suffer, they want you to be complacent, to go with the system, to be bogged down by it, waiting for a savior who will never come.
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u/_Ironstorm_ Jun 20 '25
Yup, they glorify the one who continues to suffer and punish those who try to do something about it.
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u/EnderMango Jun 20 '25
We all need something to help us live
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u/_Ironstorm_ Jun 20 '25
Ideological hypocrisy isn't a basic human necessity. It's a luxury of the bourgeoisie.
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
So, reddit.
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u/EnderMango Jun 21 '25
Get a load of this guy amirite? Ain’t it beautiful how that came full circle 🥹
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u/al0xx Jun 20 '25
wow where do you live? 👀
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u/MrSelfDestrucct Jun 20 '25
He venmos his mom 600/ month for the basement
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
Moved out long ago, but thats not a bad alternative to paying upwards of 4k a month.
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u/MrSelfDestrucct Jun 20 '25
Damn can I live in your mom’s basement?
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
She has strict rules youd need to abide by
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
In the north. And not near a city, where people are taxed up the ass.
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u/Lobster_fest Jun 20 '25
Yeah, because its the taxes that make city living expensive. Right.
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u/Dyledion Jun 20 '25
Now hang on a tick. Higher taxes = more capacity for govt interference per capita. Generally, more government interference translates directly to a more restricted, oppressively regulated housing market. A restricted, regulated housing market immediately attracts sharks.
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
Companies and businesses owners raise prices in response to changes.
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u/DemadaTrim Jun 20 '25
Yes but that's not why living in cities is expensive. Cities are where people want to live, high desirability means high prices.
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u/headermargin Jun 20 '25
That too. Theres many reasons for high price, sometimes people are assholes, sometimes it may actually be worth that much.
Theres way more things id pay 4k for.
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u/DemadaTrim Jun 20 '25
I mean, they are worth that much as long as people exist who will pay that much. That's what "worth" means. Would prices be lower if more cheap housing was built? Yes. Would developers build more cheap housing if regulation allowed? I doubt it. Likely they'd build things terribly but slap a coat of "luxury" on it and match current prices, because people who exist who will pay it. That's what capitalism rewards, selling the worst product for the most the market will bear. Quality is only a concern in certain market conditions.
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u/Overdose7 Jun 20 '25
Like when their sense of greed strengthens. If they didn't also increase profits at the same time then, yeah, that'd be it.
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u/A65YOLady Jun 20 '25
lol Brooklyn studios going for $4k
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u/_Ironstorm_ Jun 20 '25
Get a basement for $1500 and stop complaining. If you're continuing to stay in the city, you're part of the problem.
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u/YouDoHaveValue Jun 20 '25
Instead of lowering rent build affordable houses and apartments and sell them with a license that says they can only be owned by individuals who own no other properties.
No corporations, trusts or other business entities.
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u/Theguy617 Jun 20 '25
No, that would make sense, and then people wouldn't be so scared of losing their jobs that they'll never complain, because they gotta earn so they can pay taxes, duh
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u/P_weezey951 Jun 20 '25
This is essentially the problem. Most of the homes that have been built in the past 20 years are these big ass houses... Nothing is small or affordable to build up equity, so apartments have no natural predators..
People who have houses dont want smaller, cheaper houses to be built, because it could lower their property value...
America is locked in an unspoken battle between people who are stuck renting, and people who live in houses.
The people in the houses, dont want more new houses... they want their house to be worth more. The only disadvantage to your house being worth more, is property taxes... but that often pushes people to simply vote against property taxes.
The people in apartments, want new places so they will be cheaper... this also lowers the rent, because the only way to lower the rent is to have vacant apartments...
The "a house is an investment" logic, has done serious damage to the economy, in that people view their homes as "investments to be sold for profit" rather than a place they lived their lives. So people sell them for far more than they were worth. If you're in a home, a high price market is for you... but now, if you want to even buy a home, you gotta make 100k, which means you have to *charge* 100k... and boom, look at that, now everything is 10x more expensive. as everyone fights to argue their worth the minimum 100k needed to buy a house.
The only real way out, is to push for more, smaller homes that allow renters a closer transition than a 600k house. and allow them to buy a place that is theirs... Realistically we needed to be doing this 20 years ago...
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u/torrasque666 Jun 20 '25
Even the small "starter" homes by me are like 200k. Or if they're not, they're going to need that much or more put back into them. I'm seeing houses that are barely more burned out husks asking for 50k on zillow, and ones that are stripped to the studs asking for 100k.
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u/Mottis86 Jun 21 '25
Fucking hell makes me wonder what our civilization would be like if greed didn't exist. We'd be exploring the stars by now I think.
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u/friendandfriends2 Jun 20 '25
“Instead of giving $20 to the homeless each week, build a homeless shelter, jeez!”
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u/MisterMasterCylinder Jun 20 '25
My wife and I are strongly considering selling our house with a restrictive covenant on the deed saying that it can only be owned by an individual for use as their primary residence. We might lose some money on the sale but fuck it, it's a small action against corporate property ownership
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u/spookysam24 Jun 20 '25
I’m jealous of the commenters saying $1200 is too high. I agree so fucking much even though I pay well over double for a shitty apartment
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 20 '25
I’m over here struggling meanwhile I’m finding out there’s people living in apartments and houses billionaires don’t know about
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u/bailey25u Jun 20 '25
I wish it was billionaires that were the only enemy, my ex was one of those liberals who always talked about helping the poor, but wanted me to go with her to protest affordable housing being built near us because it would lower her property value
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u/Slykarmacooper Jun 26 '25
Honestly, having dealt with many like this, I have to wonder: do they genuinely never realize their hypocrisy?
"Oh, I'm not a heartless Republican! I care for others, as long as it doesn't really inconvenience me or do anything that might harm my potential future investments!"
I'd rather they analyzed it and went and stood with the stuck-up asshats who share the majority of their goals and settled the difference on the minor inconveniences.
They both think the homeless should die, they both don't give a damn about fixing the economy because they're too busy sucking off Reagan/Clinton, and one wants queer people punted into a wood chipper, the other is unsure but has no strong convictions either way.
Malcolm X really meant it when he said the white liberal was the worst enemy.
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u/TrexarSC Orange Jun 20 '25
tf you mean lowered
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u/lochenhofenberg CERTIFIED DANK Jun 20 '25
I mean average rent in Boston is like 2k - 3k 😭😭
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u/_SilentHunter Jun 20 '25
Even outside the city, metrowest is $2000+ for a 1br, no utilities included, and $100 a month for parking. Gotta love it. -.-
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u/pokexchespin memer past his prime Jun 21 '25
yeah my ex lived in newark new jersey and paid 1200 a month for a room in like a townhouse. city rent fucking sucks
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u/Numerous_Topic_913 Jun 20 '25
Me sitting here with my 2.8k rent payment for my one bed apartment: :(
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u/Jodvi Jun 20 '25
Not me with the “$2300 isn’t so bad” cope…
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u/czarfalcon Jun 20 '25
Eh it’s all relative. If you can afford it and you’re happy where you live, who cares if others pay more or less in completely different areas?
Mine is about $2100/month including partial utilities/garage/pet rent/etc. Sure I could live in NYC and pay a lot more or live in rural Ohio and pay a lot less, but neither of those sound appealing to me.
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u/graceful-thiccos Jun 20 '25
Currently living in a 35m² flat with my gf. We are paying 345€ a month in a pretty decent city in Germany (Leipzig). 10 minutes to the city centre. We are one of the luckiest people in Germany imo.
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u/Blankasbiscuits Jun 20 '25
My mother owns a quad Plex, a very smart investment on her end after a nasty divorce. She rents the other 3 sections out and hasn't raised rent in 10 years, it's still $800 (Oklahoma Area). Surprise surprise, she has never had a bad faith tenant and no one has trashed the place.
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u/010rusty ☣️ Jun 20 '25
New York ass meme
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u/DemadaTrim Jun 20 '25
Lol New York is way higher than that. This meme works for most larger cities.
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u/I_wash_my_carpet Jun 21 '25
I live in Colorado. 1500 is about the rent of a trailer. Haven't seen anything less than 1000 that wouldn't give genetic defects since... idfk, ten years ago?
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u/xodusprime Jun 20 '25
I rented a duplex in 2000 for $350 a month. Minimum wage has gone from $5.15 to $7.25 since then. If we follow that ratio, rent should be $492 to take the same percentage of the income.
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My rent is 850 for 2 bed and 1 bath, all utilities included
Suck on that comment section
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u/ux3l 🚿 shower? never heard of it 🤔 Jun 20 '25
Do you know how much rent can vary? $1200 can be a good deal for some apartments, depending on size, location and other aspects.
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u/BigNimbleyD Jun 20 '25
Lmao my mortgage is under £700 ($948) and that's for a 4 bedroom semi detached. Have some of that city slickers
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u/MisterMasterCylinder Jun 20 '25
I live in a suburb that borders a major city and mine is $800/mo for a 1200 sqft 3 bd 3 ba ranch. The trick is to buy on the tail end of a global financial meltdown. Should be due for another one anytime now, actually
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u/Kzer_2019 Latino cream king Jun 20 '25
A studio apartment cost 1.8k where I'm at
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 20 '25
Unit Type Studio- 1 Bedroom-$900-$1,100
2-3 Bedroom $1,200-$1,500
This will me rent under my control
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u/1SexyDino Jun 20 '25
That is almost triple my rent - not including utilities. And that was for half of a 3 bed two bath house less than 2 miles from campus.
I'd also turn OP into a nice set of windchimes for my yard if they jacked my rent up like that.
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 20 '25
😭 you must have like nothing nearby
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u/1SexyDino Jun 20 '25
Small city/large town an hour away from the "big city," tiny but well respected college, couple grocery stores including Walmart, and a few bars and restaurants.
I mean it's not BumFuckEgypt but yeah definitely not the place for people who like night life activities and major social events. A sacrifice for affordable living my introverted ass is willing to make.
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u/Jumpierwolf0960 Jun 20 '25
You can lower your own rent and someone will take it right away. You're not going to reduce rent in general by doing that. That depends on the market.
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u/Deliciouserest Jun 20 '25
I got lucky and found a room for rent for $400 a month. It just got bumped to $450 a month. I'm grateful to have a roof over my head thats about all I can really ask for.
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u/RK_NightSky ☢️ Jun 20 '25
American rent i assume? XD. Where i live in europe you can get a perfectly good appartment with a bedroom, a living room with kitchen and a bathroom as a 3rd room for as low as 325euro for the whole 50-60 square metres
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u/RockSkippa Jun 20 '25
How tf yall got 1200 rent. Rent in south fl for a 3 bed is 2400
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u/KingAlaric1 Jun 20 '25
I literally just moved out of a 1 BR apt in the DFW area that was almost exactly $1200 a month
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 20 '25
Rent caps at $1,100 a month for a one bedroom (peak luxury apartment btw) in my made up scenario where I win the lottery
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u/bebop_exp Jun 20 '25
Please do so for nyc. Please
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 21 '25
I’m targeting New York and Californian first (oddly enough New York alone would self sustain me)
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u/coldpepperoni INFECTED Jun 20 '25
In 2015 I helped my older sister move into her first apartment, it was $600 for rent. I just looked and that same apartment just went back up for rent, it’s $1900. That should not have been able to happen in that short of time
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u/GuitarMaster5001 Jun 21 '25
I feel incredibly stupid, but I don't get this. Can anybody help me out?
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 21 '25
You must be part of the 1% who pays low rent
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u/GuitarMaster5001 Jun 21 '25
Ha, I wish! No, $1200 would be a significant price drop.
I just don't get the joke here, but I think it's because I'm misunderstanding what's being said. I currently read it as a landlord being hung (by tenants?) for massively lowering rent once they get rich. I would think that this would be seen as a relatively uncommon and generous act, since the stereotypical wealthy landlord would keep the rental rate at the market value no matter how rich they got.
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u/EquipmentElegant Jun 21 '25
Is kinda like the people who disappear when they find the cure for cancer
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u/GuitarMaster5001 Jun 21 '25
Oh I see, so the hangmen represent the "landlord cabal," if you will, or anybody that would benefit from high rental prices.
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u/waggy-tails-inc Trans-formers 😎 Jun 21 '25
Is that a staged photo or actually legit, bc that is quite disturbing
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u/RealRedditPerson Jun 21 '25
I live in a pretty standard suburban neighborhood where the nearest major city isn't even one most Americans have heard of... and 2 bedrooms averages 1800 here. The cheapest rent avg. in the whole state is 1100, and you're going to be driving at least an hour for your job at a minimum.
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u/ep3000 Jun 20 '25
im splitting a house with 2 roommates and the base rent is 2300 not including renter's insurance, pet fee for 2 dogs. we get no trash service and have to manually take the trash to the dump. lead in water. backyard is cool, but full of mosquitos. i live 45 min from Atl in woodstock
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