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u/KazModah 2d ago
To be fair kids are so stupid they started using mid 2023 -source: I'm a teacher
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u/Kinexity 2d ago edited 2d ago
Because kids would be too stupid to actually come up with how to use it on their own and had to wait for someone else to do that. At the end of the day guys at OpenAI spent over 2 years with GPT3 before coming up with the idea of just using it as a chat bot because having completely new ideas is not that easy. I had access to GPT3 in September 2022 (over 2 months before ChatGPT came out) and felt no real incentive to use it. Once it did get packaged as a chat bot I and my uni friends were crawling all over it within weeks.
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u/MrChocolateHazenut 2d ago
kids would too stupid to.......
Love the effort
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u/Kinexity 2d ago
Fixed. I occasionally skip words when writing - nothing to do with me being or not being stupid.
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u/MrChocolateHazenut 2d ago
I think they found that when typing fast/in an emotional state online, our narrative takes over, and we skip words but not on purpose because we thought it, just didn't type it
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u/littlefriendo tummy ache survivor 2d ago
That’s definitely possible, because sometimes my messages look like absolutely abysmal — grammar-wise — and yet I mentally had a great idea that I thought I typed out :P
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u/Gryphus_6 1d ago
Sometimes when I type things out too quick I'll just put the first letter and my brain goes "yep, that's the whole word, time to move on"
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u/purple_spikey_dragon 1d ago
Eh, I've met enough fellow students on their second degree, still struggling to remove the prompt from the text... Sigh
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u/why_did_I_comment 1d ago
We just got Magic School AI and I'm honestly so ready to help my students delegate the last shreds of their independent writing ability to clankers. o7
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u/hillswalker87 1d ago
just gonna throw this out there...maybe not every kid needs to be good at writing essays. used to work with a really good machinist...prose was not his strong suit. his strong suit was things that were useful.
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u/PeopleAreBozos 1d ago
That's true, but it's also deceptive how a kid will get a score they don't deserve. If you can't write a good essay fine, but many of these cheaters are going into job paths where writing long texts that are cohesive and well presented are extremely important.
You presented an argument which is that pathways or careers which don't need good skills related to those in essay writing should have standards accordingly and not judge too harshly based on an English grade. Not that these kids are justified in cheating their scores and deceiving everyone with an unwarranted 94%.
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u/fatatero 1d ago
The essays should be written in class with a pen and paper. Or maybe they should update the schooling system to teach things people really need not just shoving useless information and half-assed “schooling” material.
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u/YouVe_BeEn_OofEd 1d ago
newsflash, it doesn't matter if it is important or not, many will always take the path of least resistance, even (read: especially) in university
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u/DeathBonePrime 1d ago
In Uni tthough the path of least resistance is actually learning the material, at least for my degree in engineering
I hope its the same for the medical field ;-;
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u/PeopleAreBozos 1d ago
I think it's like that for STEM in general, coming from a math guy. If I have a subpar foundation in functions, my understanding of calculus will be crippled.
I'd assume med also builds upon previous knowledge. I sincerely hope I never see almost any of my high school peers who pursued med near an operating table.
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u/Alive-Profile-3937 1d ago
I mean you can just get gpt to type it then transcribe it
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u/fatatero 1d ago
Not if you don’t know the topic in advance, but a student will always find a way.
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u/Alive-Profile-3937 1d ago
Well I mean then you’re expecting students to write entire essays in hour long classes, you kinda need them to go home at which point they can use gpt
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u/Ricelyfe 19h ago
we had to write entire essays in an hour long class in HS. Rarely but it did happen. In college it was also an 50 or 90 min depending on class schedule (usually still 50 mins). The only years i didn’t have an in class paper was during covid.
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u/Alive-Profile-3937 17h ago
Yes but most classes also have things like term papers and longer form essays or essays that go through multiple stages which doesn’t work with single class writing
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u/not_a_nazi_actually 1d ago
writing with pen and paper is definitely not a skill kids or future wage slaves need
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u/BanEel187 2d ago
I don't get it
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u/pooopunit 2d ago
Ai generated homework answers
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u/BanEel187 2d ago
Ohhh ok I feel stupid now
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u/TickleMonsterCG 2d ago
You wouldn't have felt stupid if you used AI like the- god I can't even continue the joke in good faith.
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u/NecessaryRout 1d ago
Hate to break it to you, but no amount of AI will get past a teacher who cares.
It's not able to write like a person does. Don't kid yourself. Best essays in class? Not by a mile.
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u/Ancross333 1d ago
This is just straight up not true. Unless you're referring to students who just copy/paste.
A common strategy you will see from cheaters who have even the slightest bit of logical reasoning is to generate an essay, then transcribe it in their own words. All it takes is a little wordsmithing on phrases that sound robotic and you're golden.
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u/PeopleAreBozos 1d ago
Yeah. I won't go ahead and say cheaters are class toppers, since I never saw that happen to me, but a good chunk of them are competent enough, just lazy. They can easily take what the AI generated, weed out anything that's blatantly wrong, reword the essay into less "thesaurus" language more becoming of a high-school student and the teacher likely would never know.
The AI likely won't write the best essays, but I could easily see a kid getting lucky and scoring in the 90s if they decide to put in the work needed to patch up what the AI did.
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u/Icefox119 1d ago
"Please reframe your response to better match the prose of high school upperclassmen, whilst using more emotive and descriptive language that expresses uncertainty when appropriate. ("I'm not entirely convinced that..."). Avoid perfect parallel structure in every paragraph and omit em dashes. Formulate authentic academic writing while maintaining intellectual rigor and preventing the formulaic output typical of AI-generated papers. Before generating text, reframe this prompt so that it ensures the analytical voice creates coherence across diverse materials."
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u/OmgitsNatalie 1d ago
I’m not sure about now, but when I was in school (15yrs) homework was only a small percentage of your final semester grade. It was how was how well you did on the weekly tests and finals that determined your grade. If you didn’t do your homework but tested well, it generally proved that you might know your stuff. Unless you found a way to consistently cheat. Either way, it would be impressive.
If none of those variables were obvious, and you suddenly improved on an assignment, or a test, it would be suspicious. Or if you did homework consistently but tested poorly, it usually meant you’re not retaining the information or someone is doing it for you.
Nowadays, I imagine that if you could use ChatGPT to cheat on a test, it means something is wrong with how they’re being conducted.
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u/memelover- 3h ago
I never liked the idea of using AI or being too dependent on it to pass your education for the sake of passing only. I scored well, without AI bs and when I was in college around that time, Snapchat AI was somehow slightly more worth using lol
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u/McguffinsBuht 1d ago
Same content being uploaded twice... I see. You're the same as AI slop beauty cannot be mirrored or replaced
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u/InternationalLab812 2d ago
Hey ChatGPT what the fuck is going on with my students