r/dankmemes • u/Brilliant_Garlic69 ☣️ • 2d ago

Bigger audience, more money

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u/BlazingJava ☣️ 2d ago

You know people used to study for these things and only those who knew would speak live. Now with internet everybody has their own expertise on the same matter.

Economics will still economic no matter your personal opinion

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u/just_3p1k 2d ago

Do you have any credible study of gender paygap where the reason of pay gap is the gender of the person? I have 0 belief anyone would hire man for jobs where woman would work for 85% of the pay

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u/floggedlog 2d ago edited 2d ago

“corporations are corrupt and screw their workers over at every opportunity, but despite the fact that they can get away with paying women 85% of what they can men they choose to have predominantly male workforces. The sexist bastards!”

Fuck, it makes me chuckle every time

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u/iiiicracker 1d ago

My girlfriend, years ago, worked at a company that would occasionally like to hire from within. My girlfriend had been a receptionist and was now in a leadership role due to that practice.

It was time to hire someone to fill a newly vacant position. It was entry level for what it was, and she was a part of the interviewing team for it. The then-receptionist applied for the job. When the group decided to give them the position the CEO offered this person a lower rate than the other entry level hires.

When my girlfriend pointed out that wasn’t fair since the other equally inexperienced hires who filled similar entry positions would be making more than this hire even though she had experience with the company the CEO said, “but the pay bump is good for HER, why would I pay even higher?”

And that is just one example of how the pay gap can start. Because she was guilty of already being a trustworthy employee who knew some of the ins and outs of the company but wasn’t being paid well, when she got a better position at the same company her pay was less than that of her equals. Most of whom were men.

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u/depers0n 1d ago

That happens to anyone who takes an internal promotion. Now, she can quit her job at a higher level and command a better paycheck at her next employer.

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u/antonio-bolonio 1d ago

Yea agreed, this is actually a pretty common practice with internal hiring. The idea being that to attract external talent you need to meet market rate for that role. My team found this out the hard way when trying to hire externally in a new office space in Silicon Valley. No one wanted to take the job externally because they were paying a salary that did not meet the location’s market rate.

On top of that the assumption with external talent also is that they are bringing the experience that a company is looking for to that role already so they’ll pay more for it, where as an internal promotion / hire may not have all the experience they are looking for and will need training for that role, despite having the internal company knowledge.

While some may not like it this is how the market behaves, and it’s something both employer and employee need to learn to take advantage of.

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u/Virtual_Happiness 1d ago

Yep, so many fail to grasp that staying at a company and being promoted within is very rarely a good financial decision. Some companies offer solid raises but most don't. That's actually why so many companies promote from within.

I've done it twice now and it was the best financial decisions I've made. The pay increase I received by taking my talents to another company was double what my pay would have increased after 20 years of raises.

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u/Red1Monster big pp gang 14h ago

Yeah but this is dumb. I want companies to be forced to offer equal pay so that folks have the freedom to choose whether to stay at the company which they may really like or to leave

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

???

what does this have to do with the pay gap? Less pay doesn't always come in at the hiring process, it materializes later as women are passed up on promotions. Besides, most of the pay gap is due to women being kept in lower-paying occupations.

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u/floggedlog 2d ago

I’m mocking how the people who think these things clearly don’t think because they can’t see the giant gaping holes in their reasoning when their logic is carried through to its conclusion.

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

But you can do that with anything if you pretend to misunderstand it. "Oh the air is full of oxygen? Why isn't everything on fire all the time?" The pay gap is a well-documented phenomenon, you can't just say it's not true because it doesn't line up with what you think.

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u/Ok_Sound_6829 1d ago

Acshually, “air” is only 21% oxygen, which in my opinion isn’t full. Sorry, had to channel my inner Oscar

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u/nevergirls 1d ago

Apology accepted

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u/floggedlog 1d ago

It is well documented as false or self inflicted.

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u/Cyberguardian173 1d ago

But it isn't well-documented as either of those things? If it was false, we wouldn't have the evidence. And if it was self-inflicted, it would still be a problem that we need to solve.

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u/floggedlog 1d ago

Actually, it’s pretty well documented through simple statistics. It takes a lot more hoop jumping to make the pay gap appear sexist than it does to show this.

Most of it is caused by pregnancy leave and overall choosing to work less hours. If you take those factors out and compare men and women on an hourly basis, the pay gap all but disappears with the only remaining percentage showing that men are slightly more aggressive about asking for that raise.

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u/kettle_corn_lungs 1d ago

Yes and no. You're leaving out the fact incredibly risky, horrible jobs no one wants are dominated by men and because they're undesirable and endanger life have perks such as higher pay to it incentivize applicants.

Then, on top of that women-dominated fields are not always high paying careers or actual careers in the first place. Moms work two minimum wage jobs and make up a considerable amount of this pay gap to a lawyer or doctor. The women who are doctors and lawyers can't make the real data 'even out'.

What the other guy who got downvoted a bunch said is true as well. Census data, labor stats, women's and men's choices and actual shitty and/or sexist practices by employers who want to pay ANY person less regardless of race and gender are NOT mutually exclusive. They all add together. smfh.

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u/kettle_corn_lungs 1d ago

The things that you guys are arguing about are not mutually exclusive. It's really irritating to see you being down voted for having a reasonable take. There are people who believe it is "only" the patriarchy when there are shitload of factors. It doesn't come off that you are a keyboard warrior or ignoring anything else, in fact I think people down voting you are not willing to hear a possibility that real problems do exist smh and the wage gap isn't a myth.

The Wage Gap is certainly overblown by some but that doesn't make it a fantasy for all women in the workforce. This is why a lot of people (ironically especially online!) advocate for employees to all discuss their pay and have healthy and open communication. Because you never know what your shitty employer is going to do. Yet they also dismiss the real issues that arise in this country.

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u/InfinityBowman 1d ago

the pay gap is definitely real and well documented as real, all u have to do is look at census data or federal bureau of labor statistics data and u will see the 15% mean/median pay gap

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u/floggedlog 1d ago

If you look just a little deeper, you’ll see that 15% comes down to personal choices and not some mythical bad guy boss that pays women less

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u/InfinityBowman 1d ago

or societal and cultural reasons, not personal choices, there is no big bad boss but there is a culture around men and women and the workplace that creates this

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u/Rokwenpics 2d ago

By their own choice

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u/thomasrat1 2d ago

It’s the whole having a kid thing lol. Our economic system is built on the idea that both a man and a women are the same thing when it comes to work. But completely ignores the fact that to have a society you need mothers.

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u/NRichYoSelf 2d ago

There is some truth to this. There is a lot of nuance in the discussion that is not mentioned in the discussion, women having children is one small part.

The 85% is taken across all positions and not standardized in any true way.

Another factor often overlooked is that men make up 90+% of workplace fatalities. Taking more dangerous jobs should have a premium.

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u/NinjaBreadManOO 1d ago

I do also remember that there was a pretty big stat that showed that on average men were more likely to be aggressive and ask for more and larger raises. And when was the last time a company went "hey have a big raise" unsolicited.

Not to mention that male dominated jobs did on average pay higher than female dominated ones. Like oil drilling and mining pays more than child care and social workers (just using them as examples because they have extreme gender dominances).

So when all things are considered even the gap actually comes much closer to being even.

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u/AdmiralLaserMoose 2d ago

And accepts the fact that fathers will abandon their parental duties to work

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u/Ok_Sound_6829 1d ago

Personally, I’d love to be a SAHD but I pursued a career and my wife didn’t have any interest in a career.

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u/nevergirls 1d ago

Suffering from success 🤦🏼

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

Exactly, our society expects women to do twice the work (job and childcare). If men were expected to both be fathers and have a job, they would be lagging behind as much as women.

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u/Lildev_47 1d ago

This why less and less people having babies, too much to sacrifice

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u/KaptainSaki 2d ago

That's why both get as much maternity leave (mother gets little more before giving birth). That's 160 days for each parent.

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u/unclefisty 1d ago

I assume you are referring to the UNPAID FMLA protected leave?

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u/KaptainSaki 1d ago

No, in Finland you get 30 days full pay and then rest from the government and thats like 80% of your salary. Then with each child you get additional support starting from 100€/month for 1st child to 200€ per child if you have 5.

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u/hoTsauceLily66 2d ago

They just want to hire people with 85% of the pay, regardless of gender.

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

Sure, here you go: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/04/gender-pay-gap-in-us-has-narrowed-slightly-over-2-decades/

A large part of the gender pay gap is due to women being overrepresented in low-paying occupations. Some people don't think that's a real pay gap, but think of it this way: in a world where all women are forced to be low-payed secretaries, and all men high-payed executives, there would be no gender pay gap when controlling for occupation.

Also, why would you believe that people wouldn't hire men if they could pay women less? Half the time it isn't a decision to pay women less, it's a decision to not offer them as many promotions and raises. People don't think of that while budgeting for hiring ("I'll offer this women fewer raises, mwa ha ha"), it just seeps into the data later (think a boss not noticing a women's successes becuase of subtle internal biases). I think you might be working from a flase premise? Obviously, a false premise wouldn't lead to what we see in the world.

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u/Fuzzy_Inevitable9748 2d ago

I would like my high paying executive job please and thank you.

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u/cromdoesntcare 2d ago

Capitalism needs poor men too. Lots and lots of them.

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

I wish. alas, twas only an analogy to help explain the pay gap

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u/Inflacion_ 1d ago

I don't know if it was in an image or what, but related to this topic, it said something along the lines of "the pay gap exists because women want to work as female doctors, instead of just doctors."

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u/Liquid_Otacon_ 2d ago

The real "pay gap" comes from questions asked, and not the crazy mental gymnastics of, "women only work bad job, men only work good job"

What I mean is that, if you include or exclude certain questions in your survey it is easy to have numbers show what you want. Example: If you look on paper and see a man in and a woman at the same job, for the same length of time, we will say 2 years in this hypothetical. The man after two years is making a dollar more and hour (hypothetical numbers again). If you were to only ask "how long did you work here ? How much money did you make?" Then it would appear that there is a gender pay gap. But if you were to consider the woman had a baby and left for 9 months, although on paper she was employed at the same company at the same time, you would realize she didn't get a raise on that year, because she only work 15 months, where her male coworker 24 months. There are other factors as well, such as , in the early 00's, 90s and 80s, women statistically would work several part time jobs instead of one full time job. So again, if you only ask " how much did you make and how long did you work here", then that pesky lil pay gap comes up. But if you were to look at hours worked from a part time employee vs full time, also who is likely to get a raise, and or a larger number raise, ofc it's always the full time employee.

A lot of the pay gap surveys don't ask critical questions, nor do they include data the show that there is no pay gap, and hasn't been in decades.

At this point, if you veiw any survey that doesn't show you all of the questions asked , with all of the data used, it's likely not worth looking at

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

But the pay gap does come from women "magically having bad jobs." That's most of the reason why it exists. Again, look at my secretary example. You can't just say "women and men get paid similar in the same job, therefore, no pay gap."

Besides, why are we arguing about this? The pay gap is a well-documented phenomenon, it's not like we can just magic it away with faulty logic.

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u/Liquid_Otacon_ 1d ago

I see you either ignored everything I said, or didn't comprehend a word of it. Have a nice day

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u/TrueProtection 1d ago

You say that, but did you even read into the pew research link dude provided? There's a link to an older arricle of how they get their data.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/12/11/how-pew-research-measured-the-gender-pay-gap/

They're def asking good questions......

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u/Liquid_Otacon_ 1d ago

Yes I did, and it shows some of the data, as do most surveys. My point is that you're not actually seeing ALL OF THE QUESTIONS & ALL OF THE DATA AND HOW IT WAS USED. And yes i saw have 2 surveys either Hours worked vs weekly. None of that negates my statements........

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u/TrueProtection 1d ago

Oh, i'm sorry, i thought you could infer the questions they were asking from the answers they were giving. Mb, never mind u right.

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u/Red1Monster big pp gang 14h ago

Damn, that's weird. Why are fields dominated by women paid less on average ?

Strange. I guess it must be part of evolution to want to be paid less money /s

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u/DeeJayDelicious 1d ago

I mean, it's outright illegal in most countries.

But there is a cultural thing where women won't negotiate that aggressively while being recruited or for raises, while men will.

Over time, that results in higher earnings for men, even if they started in the same position.

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u/unclefisty 1d ago

I mean, it's outright illegal in most countries.

Yes, but proving it was done is a completely different thing.

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u/Gonzee3063 1d ago

Ahm ... nurses but I am not sure of their pay

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u/CasperSac 1d ago

I love reddit man, first comment about how everyone became "experts" on the internet, than a reply asking for an educated answer gets many "internet experts" answers with no source

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u/JotaroTheOceanMan 1d ago

There also is no.pay gap in OF. Its based on your own popularity. The same way that players in professional sports get bigger contracts if they are good.

OP doesnt have a strawman, they have a realdoll.

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u/S4shadow 1d ago

I woundt say expertise. More like their own dumbfuck uneducated opinion.

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u/LordGlizzard 2d ago

The pay gap in sports is super easy to explain I dont even understand how its an ongoing conversation. Professional sports and the players of those sports are paid millions of dollars because it SELLS if people aren't watching women's sports for whatever reason they may have its simply not selling nearly as much hence why they get paid less, its not real rocket science

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u/Cyberguardian173 2d ago

Exactly, just like the pay gap in onlyfans is easy to explain. It's way better to look at the pay gap for jobs that aren't based on sex.

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u/DWill23_ 2d ago

Its even easier to understand when you learn that the WNBA loses the NBA money every year and that the WNBA players are paid a larger percentage than NBA players when you look at revenue generated

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u/mods_r_jobbernowl 2d ago

They lose like 10 million a year

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u/Amish_guy_with_WiFi 1d ago

And I think it is a higher percentage of dudes actually watching it. So woman only have themselves to blame

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u/PeopleAreBozos 14h ago

Yeah. I know the WNBA players are great athletes in their own right, but the NBA is leaps and bounds ahead in terms of how big it is. In elementary, I never watched sports at all, but I could still name the big players like Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, etc.

Like, the pay gap makes sense, because the WNBA is the equivalent of being the unknown family member of a world leader or big celebrity.

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u/VexatiousJigsaw 2d ago edited 1d ago

There is more nuance, I think, to this. Back in their era of dominance the US Women's soccer team had ratings similar to or higher than the Mens national team. This has not been the case five years or so. However during that time the US Women still got less money. The reasons for this are still very similar unforgiving soulless supply/demand reasons, but from the opposite angle. US Men's players have options and could play in the MLS or other leagues and still make money which elevates the base compensation compared to the Women who could essentially either keep playing, or become coaches/trainers for universities if they wanted to stay in the business which do not have the same sort of wage pressure. Ultimately they get paid less because they could get away with getting paid less and still have an internationally competitive team.

This may or may not be problem for the reader but I'd suggest there are enough variables at play that this is, if not rocket science, is perhaps trebuchet science or catapult science at a minimum.

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u/Amirkerr 1d ago

And it's easier to explain if you remember that there is also a huge pay gap between men. Stephen Curry is not paid the same as a random NBA player.

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u/Dramatic_Science_681 1d ago

Yep. Apex fallacy. The foundation for a lot of feminist thought.

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u/Iceheads 1d ago

Its about the pay PERCENTAGE. Of course wnba wont get paid like lebron or something

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u/Bobah_0451 20h ago

Even when it's about percentages it doesn't make sense, WNBA generated negative money. And in sports that generate money women get more percentage.

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u/OneeGrimm 1d ago

I lately noticed, that every time when WNBA goes viral, it has nothing to do with basketball.

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u/Kaek_ 6h ago

I got confused for a moment with what you said after "SELLS"

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u/AdmiralLaserMoose 2d ago

What if it made more money and then they simply pocketed the difference? Because, why wouldn't they do that? In which case, there would have to be a conversation where people request more money... You're trying to make it seem clear cut when it's literally not.

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u/LordTvlor 2d ago

This is the strawiest man I have ever seen

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u/LordGlizzard 2d ago

Except it literally is, because its a well known fact WNBA does not sell more or have more viewership then the NBA, thats just a literal fact, we could always say, "well what if we all just had more money, and there was enough to go around for everyone, then it wouldn't be so clear cut!" But thats a fictional what if, not a fact, much like your comment. IF they made more money and were just pocketing it then that would be one thing, but thats not whats happening, its VERY easy to follow the trail, do simple math and see that the WNBA does not make nearly as much money as the NBA so your point really isn't even a point

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u/EnoughWarning666 1d ago

You're trying to make it seem clear cut when it's literally not.

It's very clear cut. You can go look up the revenue from the NBA and WNBA. Like it will take you less than 60 seconds to find that information. You spent more time writing an asinine comment proving to everyone that you are incapable of a google search

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u/DWill23_ 2d ago

Nah its pretty clear cut

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u/BakchodBilla_22 2d ago

That can happen in men's sport too, can it not? Even then male athletes get paid higher. So they must be bringing in more money right? It's simple math

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u/BachInTime 1d ago

Yearly Gross Revenue of the WNBA: about $200 million

Yearly Gross Revenue of the NBA: over $11 billion

So the NBA makes roughly 55 times what the WNBA makes. There isn’t a wage gap there’s a gap in how much revenue the players generate.

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u/Previous-Tour3882 2d ago

*throws dildo on the court

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u/StormDiligent8661 2d ago

Pay us what you owe us. 

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u/BrainEuphoria 2d ago

It’s funny how when fans throw sex toys on men’s courts, no one complains, but when they do the exact same thing on a women’s court, arggghhh all hell breaks loose.

When less people buy female merch and the W sells less tickets, the whole world catches on fire, but when more men decide to shell out their money to patronize women players and start fanboying over them like they do the male athletes, “men are gross and have no business chasing female sports!”

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u/Kakeyio 2d ago

5 times back to back is different from occasionally at buffalo bills game back in 2018 or once at a swedish ice hockey game in 2008.

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u/lIlIlIIlIIIlIIIIIl 1d ago

all hell breaks loose

What the fuck do you even mean?

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u/MrInterpreted 1d ago

May be a hot take, but I don’t think the world has caught on fire because the WNBA sells less tickets. Log off

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u/_nga_ 2d ago

Where is equality now beachess

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u/LazyHighGoals 1d ago

is that a cat? a goat? a deer?
I'm so confused

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u/LuxLoser 2d ago

I think women's sports shouldn't only be "men's sports but with women." I get that idea, we all like the games, but at the same I feel like certain sports are clearly designed with male players in mind. Just a thought I have whenever I see this debate.

Plus the marketing is just not as good. The team merch is never that good or available, the team identity is weak. In being the same sport it invites comparison as well.

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u/DerpyDinoXyX 1d ago

Women’s lacrosse is like this, the game at its core is just about the same but there are VERY different rules than men’s lacrosse to the point where it is almost a different game entirely

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u/jane_quins1337 2d ago

Someone works with a ball, and someone with a butt

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u/Not_Making_Drugs 1d ago

Someone works with a ball, someone else works with two balls

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u/jane_quins1337 1d ago

You're going to the OF now?😇

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u/EquivalentSnap uwu pls pet me 1d ago

Female models is a better example because OF creators are self employed . WNBA just isn't as popular so they don't make as much money

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u/_oranjuice :nu: 1d ago

Me bringing up the audience gap on onlyfans:

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u/Spencer3350 1d ago

ive never thought about this

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u/Garchompisbestboi 1d ago

I wonder how much the WNBA makes annually compared to the NBA

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u/anus_blaster_1776 2d ago

Why does everyone act like women can "just do onlyfans" and get rich?

The vast majority of women on onlyfans ain't making shit either.

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u/glass-2x-needed-size 2d ago

Vast majority of basketball players ain't making shit either...

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u/Scorpdelord 2d ago

they making alot of space in the stadium alright

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u/cromdoesntcare 2d ago

Rookie and vet minimum is over a million in the NBA.

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u/glass-2x-needed-size 2d ago

Oh, I didn't realize that most basketball players make it to the NBA

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u/cromdoesntcare 2d ago

Then they're not basketball players. Most people don't get paid for their hobbies.

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u/DirkWithTheFade 8h ago

Then people who don’t make money on OF are not OF models.

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u/CRYOGENCFOX2 1d ago

You set ur own prices on OF big dawg. Looks like you’ve been selling yourself short ;)

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u/lostwng 2d ago

You set your own prices in OF

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u/National-Frame8712 2d ago

Then, change it with fashion sector. Why women in fashion industry earn more compared to their male counterparts?

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u/EfficaciousJoculator 1d ago

You're trying to white knight and you called all OF workers prostitutes? That's ten times more insulting than OP's insinuation.

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u/Simplejack615 2d ago

Umm you just aren’t making good content

I’ve watched so I know

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u/_Weyland_ Yellow 2d ago

But did you pay for it?

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u/Simplejack615 2d ago

No. I PIRATED IT HAHAHAHAHA

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u/CriticalSpeech 2d ago

Tyga makes $7.7m a month you loser. Stfu.

Seems like you speak to women at all based on this. Much less about wage inequality of two extreme outliers in the professional world.

Funny format. Stupid meme.

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u/slowkid68 red 2d ago

Crybaby

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u/SlippinGymy Femboy enjoyer 1d ago

Quite the red herring

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u/Sir-Theordorethe-5th 1d ago

Triggereddddd