You know people used to study for these things and only those who knew would speak live. Now with internet everybody has their own expertise on the same matter.
Economics will still economic no matter your personal opinion
Do you have any credible study of gender paygap where the reason of pay gap is the gender of the person? I have 0 belief anyone would hire man for jobs where woman would work for 85% of the pay
“corporations are corrupt and screw their workers over at every opportunity, but despite the fact that they can get away with paying women 85% of what they can men they choose to have predominantly male workforces. The sexist bastards!”
My girlfriend, years ago, worked at a company that would occasionally like to hire from within. My girlfriend had been a receptionist and was now in a leadership role due to that practice.
It was time to hire someone to fill a newly vacant position. It was entry level for what it was, and she was a part of the interviewing team for it. The then-receptionist applied for the job. When the group decided to give them the position the CEO offered this person a lower rate than the other entry level hires.
When my girlfriend pointed out that wasn’t fair since the other equally inexperienced hires who filled similar entry positions would be making more than this hire even though she had experience with the company the CEO said, “but the pay bump is good for HER, why would I pay even higher?”
And that is just one example of how the pay gap can start. Because she was guilty of already being a trustworthy employee who knew some of the ins and outs of the company but wasn’t being paid well, when she got a better position at the same company her pay was less than that of her equals. Most of whom were men.
That happens to anyone who takes an internal promotion. Now, she can quit her job at a higher level and command a better paycheck at her next employer.
Yea agreed, this is actually a pretty common practice with internal hiring. The idea being that to attract external talent you need to meet market rate for that role. My team found this out the hard way when trying to hire externally in a new office space in Silicon Valley. No one wanted to take the job externally because they were paying a salary that did not meet the location’s market rate.
On top of that the assumption with external talent also is that they are bringing the experience that a company is looking for to that role already so they’ll pay more for it, where as an internal promotion / hire may not have all the experience they are looking for and will need training for that role, despite having the internal company knowledge.
While some may not like it this is how the market behaves, and it’s something both employer and employee need to learn to take advantage of.
Yep, so many fail to grasp that staying at a company and being promoted within is very rarely a good financial decision. Some companies offer solid raises but most don't. That's actually why so many companies promote from within.
I've done it twice now and it was the best financial decisions I've made. The pay increase I received by taking my talents to another company was double what my pay would have increased after 20 years of raises.
Yeah but this is dumb. I want companies to be forced to offer equal pay so that folks have the freedom to choose whether to stay at the company which they may really like or to leave
what does this have to do with the pay gap? Less pay doesn't always come in at the hiring process, it materializes later as women are passed up on promotions. Besides, most of the pay gap is due to women being kept in lower-paying occupations.
I’m mocking how the people who think these things clearly don’t think because they can’t see the giant gaping holes in their reasoning when their logic is carried through to its conclusion.
But you can do that with anything if you pretend to misunderstand it. "Oh the air is full of oxygen? Why isn't everything on fire all the time?" The pay gap is a well-documented phenomenon, you can't just say it's not true because it doesn't line up with what you think.
But it isn't well-documented as either of those things? If it was false, we wouldn't have the evidence. And if it was self-inflicted, it would still be a problem that we need to solve.
Actually, it’s pretty well documented through simple statistics. It takes a lot more hoop jumping to make the pay gap appear sexist than it does to show this.
Most of it is caused by pregnancy leave and overall choosing to work less hours. If you take those factors out and compare men and women on an hourly basis, the pay gap all but disappears with the only remaining percentage showing that men are slightly more aggressive about asking for that raise.
Yes and no. You're leaving out the fact incredibly risky, horrible jobs no one wants are dominated by men and because they're undesirable and endanger life have perks such as higher pay to it incentivize applicants.
Then, on top of that women-dominated fields are not always high paying careers or actual careers in the first place. Moms work two minimum wage jobs and make up a considerable amount of this pay gap to a lawyer or doctor. The women who are doctors and lawyers can't make the real data 'even out'.
What the other guy who got downvoted a bunch said is true as well. Census data, labor stats, women's and men's choices and actual shitty and/or sexist practices by employers who want to pay ANY person less regardless of race and gender are NOT mutually exclusive. They all add together. smfh.
The things that you guys are arguing about are not mutually exclusive. It's really irritating to see you being down voted for having a reasonable take. There are people who believe it is "only" the patriarchy when there are shitload of factors. It doesn't come off that you are a keyboard warrior or ignoring anything else, in fact I think people down voting you are not willing to hear a possibility that real problems do exist smh and the wage gap isn't a myth.
The Wage Gap is certainly overblown by some but that doesn't make it a fantasy for all women in the workforce. This is why a lot of people (ironically especially online!) advocate for employees to all discuss their pay and have healthy and open communication. Because you never know what your shitty employer is going to do. Yet they also dismiss the real issues that arise in this country.
the pay gap is definitely real and well documented as real, all u have to do is look at census data or federal bureau of labor statistics data and u will see the 15% mean/median pay gap
or societal and cultural reasons, not personal choices, there is no big bad boss but there is a culture around men and women and the workplace that creates this
so ur just ignoring the cultural gaps that exist, obviously there is no huge thing that means employers can just pay less but overall due to cultural and societal factors women end up on average making 15% less than male counterparts
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u/BlazingJava ☣️ 3d ago
You know people used to study for these things and only those who knew would speak live. Now with internet everybody has their own expertise on the same matter.
Economics will still economic no matter your personal opinion