You know people used to study for these things and only those who knew would speak live. Now with internet everybody has their own expertise on the same matter.
Economics will still economic no matter your personal opinion
Do you have any credible study of gender paygap where the reason of pay gap is the gender of the person? I have 0 belief anyone would hire man for jobs where woman would work for 85% of the pay
A large part of the gender pay gap is due to women being overrepresented in low-paying occupations. Some people don't think that's a real pay gap, but think of it this way: in a world where all women are forced to be low-payed secretaries, and all men high-payed executives, there would be no gender pay gap when controlling for occupation.
Also, why would you believe that people wouldn't hire men if they could pay women less? Half the time it isn't a decision to pay women less, it's a decision to not offer them as many promotions and raises. People don't think of that while budgeting for hiring ("I'll offer this women fewer raises, mwa ha ha"), it just seeps into the data later (think a boss not noticing a women's successes becuase of subtle internal biases). I think you might be working from a flase premise? Obviously, a false premise wouldn't lead to what we see in the world.
I don't know if it was in an image or what, but related to this topic, it said something along the lines of "the pay gap exists because women want to work as female doctors, instead of just doctors."
The real "pay gap" comes from questions asked, and not the crazy mental gymnastics of, "women only work bad job, men only work good job"
What I mean is that, if you include or exclude certain questions in your survey it is easy to have numbers show what you want.
Example:
If you look on paper and see a man in and a woman at the same job, for the same length of time, we will say 2 years in this hypothetical. The man after two years is making a dollar more and hour (hypothetical numbers again). If you were to only ask "how long did you work here ? How much money did you make?" Then it would appear that there is a gender pay gap. But if you were to consider the woman had a baby and left for 9 months, although on paper she was employed at the same company at the same time, you would realize she didn't get a raise on that year, because she only work 15 months, where her male coworker 24 months.
There are other factors as well, such as , in the early 00's, 90s and 80s, women statistically would work several part time jobs instead of one full time job. So again, if you only ask " how much did you make and how long did you work here", then that pesky lil pay gap comes up. But if you were to look at hours worked from a part time employee vs full time, also who is likely to get a raise, and or a larger number raise, ofc it's always the full time employee.
A lot of the pay gap surveys don't ask critical questions, nor do they include data the show that there is no pay gap, and hasn't been in decades.
At this point, if you veiw any survey that doesn't show you all of the questions asked , with all of the data used, it's likely not worth looking at
But the pay gap does come from women "magically having bad jobs." That's most of the reason why it exists. Again, look at my secretary example. You can't just say "women and men get paid similar in the same job, therefore, no pay gap."
Besides, why are we arguing about this? The pay gap is a well-documented phenomenon, it's not like we can just magic it away with faulty logic.
Yes I did, and it shows some of the data, as do most surveys. My point is that you're not actually seeing ALL OF THE QUESTIONS & ALL OF THE DATA AND HOW IT WAS USED.
And yes i saw have 2 surveys either Hours worked vs weekly.
None of that negates my statements........
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u/BlazingJava ☣️ 3d ago
You know people used to study for these things and only those who knew would speak live. Now with internet everybody has their own expertise on the same matter.
Economics will still economic no matter your personal opinion