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u/Affectionate-Draw688 5d ago
Here before the clanker lovers start defending AI.
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u/extraboredinary 4d ago
Are you trying to tell me, that I’m not an artist even though I typed in the exact terminology for the image I wanted to see into google image search?!
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u/chainsawx72 4d ago
Are you trying to tell me that after 50 years of being an artist I'm no longer an artist because I tinker with AI?
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u/extraboredinary 4d ago
No, I'm saying that what the AI program produces for you isn't art and you're not an artist for describing an image. If you trace, edit, or what ever you do with the image, then you can call it a work of your art, but it would be more ethical to specify you're using AI assistance.
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u/CreatifBoi 4d ago
If I can cook decent meals on my own, and go to a restaurant, do I suddenly lose that cooking experience? The meal you eat at the restaurant isnt made by you but you still make your own meals. Similairly, if you occasionally get an AI to generate images, the AI made it, not you. But if you can still draw on your own you are still an artist and nobody can stop that except for you.
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u/Yalkim 5d ago
Wait... Isnt the post doing that already? Isnt it saying AI is the one with skills, or am I misunderstanding?
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u/JJlaser1 5d ago
It’s satire. Sarcasm. It’s meant to point out how insanely stupid that logic is
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u/arcanis321 4d ago
It is saying the AI does possess the skill not the prompter. It both insults AI "artists" while saying it does generate art or content at least.
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u/JJlaser1 4d ago
I mean, it does make stuff. It’s not called generative AI for nothing. Whether or not it’s good is a separate argument, and irrelevant to the post
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u/ChocolatePain 4d ago
Yikes at the casual bigotry. And I think most reasonable AI enjoyers agree that calling yourself an AI artist is stupid.
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u/Affectionate-Draw688 4d ago
I also enjoy AI, I use it to write stories(I like being in suspense, waiting for what's next) using my own ideas. But I know that Im not a writer and dont call myself a writer or try to make money off of being a writer when I havent written anything.
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u/Professional-Mix1771 4d ago
The AI had seriously reached great heights if people started using racist slurs against. I wonder if we can already call what's happening in the world an AIphobia.
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u/VirtueSignalLost 4d ago
lol have fun being a luddite, you will go far.
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u/EasilyRekt 3d ago
Is calling the single worst use of a decades old technology "a waste" luddism now?
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u/SourDucks 5d ago
“I gave the chef the prompt of what food I wanted to eat”
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u/RowanWinterlace 4d ago
Looking down at the meal I ordered,
"I made this."
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u/jkurratt 4d ago
Like those american house wifes who "made" chocolate chip cookies.
No you ain't! You just cut dough you bought and put it in the oven!7
u/iamnotazombie44 4d ago
Fun and stupid fact, those prepackaged instant cake /brownie / cookie powders initially started out as "just add water" sort of deal but they failed miserably because there basically wasn't enough prep work to make the home "chef" feel involved.
The box could easily include powdered eggs and /or emulsified vegetable oil, but most boxes you can buy today will have you have to add your own single egg and half cup of vegetable oil to the mix because the manufacturers found that consumer got greater satisfaction the products were way more popular when you had to supply ingredients from home do a tiny bit more mixing.
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
I mean, lots of people say this in a self depreciating way when they realize their subway sub has a nonsensical combination of ingredients.
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u/Kiyan1159 5d ago
If you commission an artist to make art, you're a customer. Replace commission with prompt and artist with A.I. and the result is the same. You're a customer, not an artist.
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u/kettle_corn_lungs 4d ago
at least if you're paying somebody for their skill then you're contributing to a professional. Versus just some program that a soulless company shills out
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u/Uranus_is__mine 4d ago
But the AI is not an artist?
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u/Kiyan1159 3d ago
It's not. It's an tool to emalgamate the art of actual artists into an average.
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u/Uranus_is__mine 3d ago
"emalgamate the art of actual artists into an average"
Thats not how Gen AI works tho they are trained on works but they are trained to know patterns and concepts dynamically related to language not to smash peoples art together. It creates a style bc it knows how the style looks and not because it is mixing arts it has on that style.
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u/AcidCommunist_AC 4d ago
If you write a script for a movie or compose for an orchestra you're an artist. If you replace the orchestra with a VST library and the film crew with an AI you're still an artist.
The irony of this meme is that it anthropomorphizes AI to the point of calling it the artist, lol.
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u/VirtueSignalLost 4d ago
So the people who design cars and give these designs to the machine shop to build cars are not artists?
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u/Kiyan1159 4d ago
I'm not sure you even read what I said. In that case, the shop is not the artist. Someone else made it, prompted by the shop. The shop is the customer to the artist's abilities. Let's use my previous sentence and swap a few words out.
A machine shop commissions an artist for a design, the shop is the customer.
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u/sirhobbles r/memes fan 5d ago
Hey this isnt a fair comparison.
Chefs dont typically make their food out of meals stolen from the kitchens of actual cooks.
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u/DirtyBoord 5d ago
Chefs rarely ever create new dishes the add their own signature to existing dishes. So no, they don’t steal the food, but they do barrow (heavily) from other chefs. Just like an AI art program.
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u/TheDrWhoKid INFECTED 5d ago
more like musicians playing covers, I'd say. or paying homage through a borrowed musical idea.
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u/Zarvanis-the-2nd 5d ago
So the AI Bro logic would be: "I asked a musician to do a medley of Michael Jackson songs in the style of Foreigner. I made this music"
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
Fun reminder that recipes can not be copyrighted.
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u/therearnogoodnames 4d ago
Cocktail recipes can be, but they need to have a specific brand of spirit in them.
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
And most bartenders will ignore that shit. Like if you order a dark n stormy I'm giving you one with good rum, not shitty ass goslings lol. Same with a painkiller and pussers for that matter. Come to think of it most "trademarked" cocktails I can think of involve rum. Interesting.
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u/Agreeable-Lettuce497 4d ago
Except ai has no own signature so it’s not at all like an ai art program.
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u/YouDoHaveValue 4d ago
Yeah literally most chefs are using recipes someone else created.
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
Bakeries usually just use boxed cake mixes.
Hell, look up Hercules candy store on YouTube. One of their biggest candies just has fruity pebbles as an ingredient lol.
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u/TheDrWhoKid INFECTED 5d ago
in some kitchens the chefs mostly just heat up and assemble pre-cooked food they've bought. they'll prepare the meat and whatnot, but a lot of the time they won't be boiling their own potatoes or anything. oftentimes these will be kitchens bent on being low-cost, high profit. this is a more apt comparison, I'd say
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
You're not describing a chef. You're describing a line cook.
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u/TheDrWhoKid INFECTED 4d ago
the sad part is that I am actually describing some chefs. we had one such man working at the place I work, and he wasn't really good enough at all the actual prepping that we do.
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
Soooooo not a chef. Heard.
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u/TheDrWhoKid INFECTED 4d ago
trained chef, completed the education, sucked at his job
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
completed the education
That has nothing to do with being a chef brother. Sounds like your boss hired some culinary school idiot. Like I said, not a chef.
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u/sirhobbles r/memes fan 5d ago
They pay for the food even in that case.
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u/InfusionOfYellow 4d ago
I don't think the chef pays for the food in most restaurants.
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u/sirhobbles r/memes fan 4d ago
thats semantics.
The food is paid for, not taken without consent.
Wether its paid for by the owner of the resteraunt who hires the chef or the chef himself in the case of a small operation where the chef is also the owner is meaningless for this analogy.
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u/InfusionOfYellow 4d ago
But we wouldn't say the owner of the restaurant made the food, either. If we're ascribing the act of creation on the basis of where money changed hands, something has gone wrong.
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
That makes no sense as a comparison though, since in both cases what is taken is the recipe not the specific food items.
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
Professionals steal ideas from each other all the time. The entire reason foods are delineated into specific things that have distinct names is because this is how ideas propagate.
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u/jkurratt 4d ago
Well do I have news for you.
You can use other people's recipes and even try and mix them together.-1
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u/ntheijs 5d ago
Chef is generous.
It’s more like I made the meal
This crackhead I found in the street was just the tool I chose to use.
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
I mean, id be interested to see what they make as long as there's someone there to make sure it's safe.
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u/Dan-Dannington 4d ago
This is how capitalists think “I work so hard because I get my employees to do the job and I can take all the credit”
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u/WXHIII 4d ago
Does this make architects not artists since engineers are the ones making it a reality? Idk how this fits here, just a shower and jerk-off thought
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u/Unlocked-recipe 3d ago
The architects would be the artist of the vision and the engineers the artists of the build. I guess that logic would make someone an artist of the prompt but not the art
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u/MASTER_SUNDOWN 4d ago
In fairness, GPT is a fantastic chef despite all the noise about “stolen recipes.” The real value isn’t just spitting out a recipe that you could otherwise Google- it’s the adaptability.
I can throw out a half-baked idea like “I’ve got some ripe bananas and Reese’s peanut butter chips” and it builds a custom banana bread recipe around that. If I say “scale this homemade sauce recipe to cover 3 lbs of chicken thighs”, it’ll instantly adjust proportions and explain the cooking time differences.
It makes shopping lists, walks through step-by-step methods, and even offers alternatives when I don’t have something on hand. If I want to tweak flavor profiles, it helps me dial that in without rewriting the whole recipe.
It also handles advanced process questions: how to reduce sauces properly, how to prep thick asparagus so it doesn’t come out woody, or whether peeling eggplant affects structural integrity in eggplant parm. When I get creative, it balances the flavors, suggests whether one ingredient works better than another, and figures out the right way to integrate my dumb ideas so it complements rather than overwhelms.
It’s not just a recipe database. It’s a kitchen co-pilot that can think through technique, ratios, substitutions, and timing in real-time.
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u/Cmdr_McMurdoc 4d ago
That's a good use of AI, as long as you double-check the instructions. AI can't be trusted blindly yet, it can give wrong information
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u/Bi0H4z4rD667 4d ago
Can someone check on Godzilla? I think he tried to read the meme and I haven’t heard back from him ever since.
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u/CursedPoetry 4d ago
lol I know it’s a meme, downvote me cause I’m not being funny like you.
As a software engineer who is developing transformers; you seem to know nothing of how it works, hence the apt comparison
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u/Asiriomi Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] 4d ago
I'm not saying AI "artists" have the same level of skill as real artists, but I feel like a lot of people don't know how much effort is required to get actually good AI images that aren't just slop.
First there's the prompt engineering, you have to fine tune the exact wording and order of the words to get the model to latch onto the correct concepts the way you intend. That can be more difficult than just writing a description of the image.
You also have to select which checkpoint to use to get your desired effect, not really any skill involved there but if you don't know the limitations or strong suits of a checkpoint it can be frustrating trying to get it to do certain things.
You usually have to tune at least 3 or 4 variables as well that each affect generation in different ways.
If you want to upscale (because usually AI images are fairly small out of the box) there's an additional 3-4 variables that will have a huge affect on the final product and again you have to select which upscaler to use for different intended effects.
Once all that figured out there's seed hunting, which may or may not take hours to find just the right one. No skill here, but it is a time investment if you are picky.
After all that is said and done, most major AI artists will then start a whole new process of post processing the image. They'll in-paint specific portions of the image to alter/add/remove details as necessary. This is where a lot of things can be fixed (like extra fingers) so this is an essential process for high-quality images. In-painting cannot always be done purely within the AI program, sometimes you have to take the image out into a program like Krita or Photoshop, manually doctor the image (usually because what you're trying to do is too difficult for the AI to understand) then put it back into the AI to clean it up. You may have to do several interations here and this process can legitimately take hours on it's own for a single image. There's of course all the previous steps of prompting, seed hunting, correct checkpoint, etc, to worry about here in the in-painting.
Once ALL OF THAT is done, you have your final image. Again, I'm not saying that this takes the same amount of skill as traditional art, but if you take it seriously it isn't as simple as "hey AI make this please" and ending up with a masterpiece. So it's a little disingenuous to say AI artists (the one's who take it seriously and don't put out slop) are the same as someone walking into a restaurant and ordering a burger.
It'd be more like ordering a burger but requesting every single ingredient to be used specifically, how they're supposed to be prepared and arranged, then seasoning it yourself, and sending it back to the kitchen 5 times to make alterations because the chef can never follow your directions precisely the first time.
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u/UrdnotZigrin 4d ago
All AI "art" is slop
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u/Asiriomi Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] 4d ago
I'm sure people said the same about synthesizers when those came out in the music industry
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
but I feel like a lot of people don't know how much effort is required to get actually good AI images that aren't just slop.
I feel most people just think of gpt and similar LLMs where its just a sentance prompt and would be quickly in over their heads if they looked at the workflow of SD and how many settings there actually are amd what you need to do to get a good image.
Its like using a digital camera on "auto" vs setting the shutter speed/apeture/focal depth/white balance etc manually.
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u/Asiriomi Animated Flair Rainbow [Insert Your Own Text] 4d ago
That's a pretty good comparison. Even just downloading SD locally can get some people in over their heads. Especially if they've got an AMD card like I do
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u/unbelizeable1 4d ago
Yea, I'd be lying if I said I didnt watch a YT video to walk me through the process lol
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
They always get offended when you compare it to cameras and then rant about how professiona photos work, ignoring that the entire point of the comparison is that anyone could pick it up and do it, but that isn't as complicated as it gets.
Also a funny thing is that they will always mention "own high level camera" as a professional photographer skill even though that isn't a personal skill, it's owning a better tool.
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u/DirtyBoord 5d ago
Is a photographer an artist? They created nothing in the picture, they just captured it with a machine.
Is an interior designer an artist? They take other people’s creations and arrange them to be functional and aesthetically appealing.
Is a web page designer an artist? They take the clients vision and use digital tools to make a functional, intuitive and aesthetically pleasing digital environments for their users.
In my opinion, any tool that can help you take the beautiful vision in your head, and make it a tangible work for others to enjoy is a good thing.
Is AI art actuall art? Yes
Is an AI artist an actual artist? Maybe.
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u/LordGlizzard 4d ago edited 4d ago
You see this is the thing though, AI is a tool but its kind of a new definition of tool, any other tool that is not AI requires direct and full input/control from the user to function, AI does not, its in the name artifical intelligence it "thinks" on its own to a degree and thinks for the user too, so none of your comparisons are accurate at all, all the tools you mentioned like a camera require complete and utter control from the person, AI does not
Edit: spelling cuz im a ape
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u/kettle_corn_lungs 4d ago
100%. It's interesting that when this bloke described a web designer actively using their skills that they honed and designing stuff on their own he disproved is own point but couldn't even tell lol
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u/bunker_man 4d ago
No? I don't know how you think cameras work, but humans definitely do not control the output the way they do in a painting. Unless they are taking a picture of a diorama they made they aren't really in total control.
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u/LordGlizzard 4d ago
What decides what picture, angle, frame and lighting in a picture, the human being who physically has to line that all up and press the button, or does the camera do it itself? What is it about AI bros that makes them unbelievably stupid
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u/bunker_man 3d ago
Those things are not "complete and utter control." They are aspects of, but not the entirety of a picture. If someone wants to take a picture of a sunset than unless they bust out photoshop they don't have control over the sun the way a painter does.
You're essentially just admitting that you are comparing a professional photographer to a kid playing with ai, rather than a professional using it. A professional most likely is drawing an outline themselves and then having it help with shading. And if they are a professional they have very specific ideas of what lighting they are trying to get with it, and are making sure they get that lighting, not just letting it decide and grabbing the first thing it spits out with no oversight. So your entire point is based on not realizing how ai is used or that it can let people control those things and so comparing to the equivalent of a kid pulling out a cell phone camera.
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u/LordGlizzard 3d ago
Your comparing a professional photographer to a kid using Ai to a camera taking a picture to someone painting it? The arguments pointless, what your saying doesn't even make sense, I understand how AI is used, its used to in multiple ways, some people use nothing but AI to generate images and call it their own, some people use it to enhance their already make work, either way the end result is not 100 percent from themselves, your just changing the goal post at this point
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u/wormjoin 4d ago
it doesn’t think any more than a camera does, you just are misunderstanding how it works based on the name.
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u/Gameknight14 4d ago
A camera makes a 1:1 copy of whatever you are looking at. Afterwards, you are free to add whatever other effects you want. AI takes 99 photos from other people and combines them to imitate what you are looking at. It adds the aftereffects and creates the final image. I don't think a camera does any of that. It sticks to its code and that's it.
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u/wormjoin 4d ago
there are no “after effects” unless you put the raw output into a different ai tool (which would be comparable to touching up a photo in photoshop) and no, a stable diffusion model does not “combine” the photos from its training data.
overall, ai image generation is very comparable to photography. they are both tools that rely on outside data that neither the tool nor the user contributed, and are directed by the user per their artistic vision. they both may be part of a broader artistic workflow, or not. and the user can put as much or as little effort as they want into either of them.
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u/NieMonD r/memes fan 4d ago
You said it yoursself, in all of those examples, they are still actually doing stuff
Asking AI to do something for you is exactly the same as asking another person to do it for you.
If you hire a photographer, you didn’t take a photo, the photographer did
If you hire a web developer, you didn’t make a website, the web developer did
If you prompt AI, you didn’t make the image, the AI did
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u/GamingPotat0 3d ago
A real and good photographer needs a lot of skill and practice. You need for every one of those jobs actual years of skill, knowledge and training. You know nothing about those jobs and what they require in detail.
Those greesy cheeto-loving AI-assholes only type a worthless prompt into a free product made by a multibillion dollar tech company and call themself artist. The small time they invest is probably 90% arguing online. Would't be suprised if even the prompt they wanna use is AI generated.
It's not art, it's worthless lazy fucks trying to be something special and feel different.
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u/DirtyBoord 3d ago
I wasn’t saying a photographer is not an artist. But, just like photography, A trained eye can tell an experienced AI user vs a newbie. A good AI user will enter paragraphs of prompts to get the image they want. A newb will enter two prompts and say “good enough”.
If you noticed, in my comment I just asked questions (other than I stated AI art is art. The fact we’re having a discussion about it is proof) I just wanted to say the “AI artist” is up for debate it’s not black and white. It does take some talent to do it well. To prove the talent, take or paint a picture, then try to recreate it in AI, then have an experienced user do it, theirs will be better.
Notice: I referred to an AI user as a “user” because I’m not quite ready to call them an “artist” I’m just saying it’s not cut and dry.
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u/Queen_Chryssie 4d ago
This works, if you give the chef a recipe and tell him to strictly follow it. If the food is still good, you do deserve at least part of the credit or am I getting this wrong? Is a bit more nuanced. Sure if you just say: "Make me this meal" and get it, then you get zero credits.
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u/NWC-Calamari 4d ago
As another commenter said (u/Kiyan1159). If you commission an artist to create a picture for you, you are the consumer, not the artist, even though you came up with the “idea”. Why would it be different if the “commissioned artist” was an AI?
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u/Queen_Chryssie 4d ago
When you commission an artist you either have a clear vision of what you want, in which case you provide elaborate detail and there's a back and forth, so the Artist becomes your instrument or tool, and they get pay for it. Yes, there's effort in the creative process, but it's not zero effort on your on part either, you imagined it, put it into words and instructions. This is the ideal case.
However when you commission art and give a vague "Draw me a Pony" you have done almost no work and the Artist has to imagine it for you well and thus more work for the artist.
This is not a black and white situatuon, same with AI or ordering food. Nuances in how much creative effort has already happened in your mind make the difference. If you provide an artist with elaborate information, direction and structure and communicate it's more of a collaborative process.
Idk why people judge so quickly, but I find a bit of irony in it. 🤷
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u/NWC-Calamari 4d ago
You still didn’t draw it. You did not put in the work, you did not take the time to learn, you did not make the revisions. You are still the consumer, not the artist, no matter how much you explain what you want. I want an orange porshe 911 with a black racing stripe, red interior, wide body kit, and a gt3 racing wheel in it. Does that sentence make me a car manufacturer? No.
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u/Queen_Chryssie 4d ago
You're talking about the work, I was talking about the creative process which doesn't happen solely on the artist side but also the consumer side. You're right when we talk about material things, physical effort and compensation. But you miss the substance of the creative process, which often weighs more on the artist but sometimes happens in collaboration. You missed my point.
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u/NWC-Calamari 4d ago
I’m not missing your point. You are not an artist by contributing to the creative process. You are still the consumer. Yes you “contributed” to make it slightly more in line with your “vision” but in the end, the chef still made the dish with their own style of cooking, the artist still drew in their own style, the car manufacturer still made their car. You are still just the consumer
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u/Queen_Chryssie 4d ago
All those things are right you still missed my point. I never claimed the consumer is an artist. Sorry. I'm done with you.
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u/NWC-Calamari 4d ago
So what are you even arguing then? Im glad we agree that ai “artists” aren’t artists? You arent making any point besides claiming that you should get credit for “making” ai art. What credit would be given? What possible point could you be making
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u/_Darkrai-_- 4d ago
Yea people are just mad
Its more comparable to making a recipe
Like if it doesnt take any skill to use why is the quality so different
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u/tappy100 Late to everything 4d ago
chefs create recipes, so no it isn’t comparable to making a recipe, it’s more comparable to telling a chef you don’t want tomato in your food and then taking credit for the entire meal
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u/NWC-Calamari 4d ago
Exactly. If you made the recipe that means you created it. You cooked it yourself and tweaked it to your liking before sharing it with others. Exactly as you just said, if you say “make me a pizza but without cheese” thats not making a recipe.
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u/_Darkrai-_- 4d ago
Both things you said are wrong first of all you dont need to be a chef to create a recipe
Second if you are telling the chef how to slice the tomato and how to stir the soup its a recipe like i dont even see your point at all
What you said compares more to if somebody says "create and image of a tree" then you would be correct but thats clearly not the thing iam talking about
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u/z4kk_DE 4d ago
„I‘m made…“ 💀