It's a response to those who say 'the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun' which isn't true, to the point that it is a fucking joke when you hear gun advocates say it.
Yeah, you're right, the data is out there. If you're gonna repeat it, do it right. This is like if you said, "gravity doesn't exist, the data is out there". Like bro yes the data is out there, what the data suggests is exactly the opposite but ok
Addressing gun lobby assertions that crime is deterred when more law-abiding citizens carry guns, Hemenway said the evidence says otherwise. He said that even though more and more Americans are carrying concealed guns each year—the result of more states passing ‘right-to-carry’ laws—research has not uncovered a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the prevalence of guns and the U.S. crime rate. However, he noted, the presence of more guns does make crimes more violent. “What guns do is make hostile interactions—robberies, assaults—much more deadly,” he said.
Basically, you wanna be robbed or you wanna die? Carry a gun to increase the chances of dieing.
People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.
This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance.
Instead of listing sources which only support exactly what you want, present more sources and look at the totality of the research.
There has been a lot of research on this. The minority opinion is that carrying/owning a gun actually makes things worse. In most instances it appeared to either help or not do anything.
The reason that the second source you gave is particularly absurd is that it presents a correlation as caused by gun presence despite the fact that a driving motivation for owning a firearm is because you feel unsafe.
For example, if people lock their doors in rough neighborhoods, but not in very wealthy neighborhoods, locking your doors would be correlated with increased burglary. However, it would be ridiculous to claim that locking your doors is what causes you to be at an increased risk of burglary. I hope that illustrates the flaw in the logic presented by that second source (which somehow got so prolific despite being so obviously flawed and biased).
People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.
We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death.
An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female. It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.
Study findings in one other area were noteworthy: homicides perpetrated by strangers. Homicides of this kind were relatively uncommon in our study population—much less common than deaths perpetrated by the victim’s partner, family members, or friends. But when they happened, people living with gun owners did not experience them less often than people in gun-free homes.
It's not worth commenting if you're going to do it in bad faith, read the article it's decent commentary on the study linked at the beginning of it.
What gave you the idea that I am approaching this in bad faith? Nothing I presented is in any way deceitful and I am coming at this honestly. Just seems like an accusation to try and quit with some manufactured high ground.
Partner shootings were never not an issue. Notice, though, that the study has controlled not just for gun owners when investigating these partner killings, but rather by "handgun owners" who are living with a partner that does not own a firearm. While this may seem innocuous, it indicates that this particular type of firearm gave them the results they want and thus they excluded data for long guns. This may be because handguns are often used in gang activity or for other reasons, but noticeable changes in what they are analyzing without explaining why they change these things is a sign those conducting or analyzing the data have a narrative to push.
Once again, read the rest of the literature and the consensus about this topic beyond one very obviously biased study. If you aren't approaching this in bad faith, which you ridiculously accused me of, you should be able to look at and take in that new information and the other studies.
Or, if we're not arguing in bad faith, LongSHOT is the most complete and detailed database relevant to their study, so they used that.
Their conclusions is literally
Living with a handgun owner is associated with substantially elevated risk for dying by homicide. Women are disproportionately affected.
You can keep moaning and the quality of the conversation will remain shit, or you can read the study.
And you say, again in bad faith, "one very biased study", but I doubt you even bother trying to see if there's more, cause my Google searches gave me a full page of results of recent studies.
In theory, ready access to a gun in the home could enhance safety by thwarting or deterring attacks. However, available evidence from ecologic (7–9) and case–control (10–18) studies suggests that gun access has the opposite effect. A 2014 meta-analysis (18) concluded that people in homes with firearms have double the odds of dying by homicide compared with people in homes without firearms.
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It's a response to those who say 'the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun' which isn't true, to the point that it is a fucking joke when you hear gun advocates say it.